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In reply to the discussion: Martin Luther King fought equally hard for civil rights and economic equality. [View all]
Behind the Aegis
(56,102 posts)55. There have been a number of laws passed to promote social justice.
You and I are both familiar with a variety of them and know their results, but I will answer your second question. As you know, given you are a true ally to the GLBT people, the right to marriage equality is going before the SCOTUS. The potential is to make same-sex marriage legal in all 50 states. This is usually seen as a social justice issue, though some very helpful straight people have corrected me and other 'slow' gays, that this is actually an economic justice issue. So, let's go with that theory (I actually believe it is both, but mainly social justice). Recently, there was an article stating many businesses will expect GL people to marry if they wish to keep their benefits. Several GLBT people see this as short-sighted and likely fraught with potential backlash. Why? Well, see my friend (as you know), while marriage equality may become the law of the land, it does not change the laws in states where GLBT people can be fired, lose their children, and/or lose their homes! Economic justice? Well, if you live in a "good" state that doesn't fire you for being a "homo", then yes, this will lead to economic goodies. However, if you live in, let's say, oh, I don't know...Oklahoma, where I live and where it is legal to fire gays and kick them out of their homes, being forced to marry may create more problems than it solves.
To me, this demonstrates, without sweeping social justice, even an economic justice is not complete. Most minorities realize the importance of economic justice, but we cannot achieve it without social justice. What I see as an issue is many pushing economic justice over (or versus) social justice believe that economic justice affects the many and social justice affects the few; what they fail to understand is that would be true, if and only is, we were all already on equal grounds; we are not!
Economic justice is important. It must be addressed, but it will not succeed without social justice!
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Martin Luther King fought equally hard for civil rights and economic equality. [View all]
Ken Burch
May 2015
OP
It's exactly the kind of split the owners of society want. Making you think one type of "rights" is
villager
May 2015
#4
bread keeps your body from starving,rights and dreams (the roses)keep your soul from starving.
Ken Burch
May 2015
#21
Imo, it is trolling. Economic Rights are Civil Rights. The inequality in this country today
sabrina 1
May 2015
#40
I believe it is being done because that's the only way they can tout their candidate.
cui bono
May 2015
#149
"economic issues do not include social issues. " say it again. maybe it will sink in
seabeyond
May 2015
#36
Until we get social equality, white straight men won't let us get economic justice.
KitSileya
May 2015
#71
No, I the vast majority of straight, white (christian) males (approx. 99%) ...
1StrongBlackMan
May 2015
#78
"the majority of LGBTQ who don't feel economically privileged enough to come out of the closet. "
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#65
The comment is vile. It's really, really vile. It also demonstrates even more strongly what your OP
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#113
I never said coming out was always an option. In fact I was saying the opposite.
Ken Burch
May 2015
#126
Yep and women and POC have the same issues in the workplace an justice system....
bettyellen
May 2015
#147
But..but.. a couple of EXCEPTIONALLY well known and well documented dimwits in this thread
Number23
May 2015
#150
You know what? I have tried to ignore you. You keep blathering one insipid post to me after another
Number23
May 2015
#170
I don't need to put you on ignore. I am fully capable of ignoring you which seems to cause a literal
Number23
May 2015
#178
How many hours has it been since I typed my response and this is the Grade A idiocy that you
Number23
May 2015
#183
That's pretty cool how you claim not to read my posts but then call what I say idiocy...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#191
Look downthread, you've got damn near half a dozen posters attempting the Herculean task of
Number23
May 2015
#192
I see only three, and they were all pleasant and pretty much on the same page as me...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#193
when he turned to economic inequality and the vietnam war, his time was up. even worse,
msongs
May 2015
#10
You're mostly right about MLK although the economics was later in his life before the assassination.
craigmatic
May 2015
#12
It's a false dichotomy, and doesn't reflect what's happening on the ground at all
Chathamization
May 2015
#17
They had it right. You cannot have social equality without economic equality.
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#19
This is a revisionist agenda driven interpretation based on white, male straight privledge.
ismnotwasm
May 2015
#22
and the system to keep poor people down is not institutional oppression?
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#31
you can absolutely have economic justice without social justice. and that is the argument now. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#37
you are saying, we are saying set it aside. we are saying. may we PLEASE sit at the table with
seabeyond
May 2015
#81
What laws have been passed to promote social justice and what were the effects on the oppressed?
ismnotwasm
May 2015
#41
This country has had a Civil Rights Movement, a Women's Rights Movement and a Labor
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#44
We are all in this together. I have an evangelical Christian father who would love to see
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#51
I've never argued that you or anyone else in an oppressed group should ever "know their place".
Ken Burch
May 2015
#62
Just because you haven't said (or seen it), doesn't mean it hasn't happened. It does.
Behind the Aegis
May 2015
#64
"It's the centrists who will tell you to "wait your turn"," no. it is the populist group on du.
seabeyond
May 2015
#83
fuck that wedge issue crap, talk about dismissing. no, duers have actually said, minor issue,
seabeyond
May 2015
#82
then why are you REFUSING to acknowledge the social issues and unlevel playing field
seabeyond
May 2015
#115
why wont, any pushing this meme accept this simple fact. it has been stated repeatedly. we have
seabeyond
May 2015
#105
The other key to building a true coalition for real structural change, social AND economic,
Ken Burch
May 2015
#42
We are all in it together. We must all fight for each other because those that would oppress us
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#45
Sorry, but I disagree. This is why I don't get in feminism discussions. I've been told many times
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#54
Supremes really is THE most important thing as far as seabeyond is concerned.
seabeyond
May 2015
#86
it is incredible that others do not feel it is most important. from dead blacks and women, to
seabeyond
May 2015
#92
Both are really important and I don't see why one has to be sidelined at the expense of the other...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#162
If I woke up tomorrow as American Violet, healthcare would be the #1 issue for me...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#180
Yeah, but you know you're just setting us both up for the "why can't you be nice like those OTHER
Number23
May 2015
#173
Silly African Americans, when did you get the ridiculous and absurd idea that you are
randys1
May 2015
#181
You know it! I just should just get used to know nothings chasing me around this board with the
Number23
May 2015
#184
That is nothing but the truth. And not only pretend to know it all, but actually try to browbeat and
Number23
May 2015
#186
"working-class whites(who have suffered economically as much as poc have suffered socially "
seabeyond
May 2015
#85
then do not have an issue when i say, we are starting on an unlevel playing field. at the very least
seabeyond
May 2015
#96
yes, you have used wedge issue in language. look at all the posts saying economic/social intwined
seabeyond
May 2015
#101
to state that blacks, gays women are not starting on an unlevel playing field is a false statement.
seabeyond
May 2015
#114
Agreed. And its never a statement I would personally make. At least not intentionally.
Ken Burch
May 2015
#120
but, you continue to say. regardless of many bringing it to your awareness. imagine that. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#123
Social justice has not once dismissed economic. It has been consistently the other way around.
seabeyond
May 2015
#52
Nobody, to my knowledge, has tried to keep social justice out of election 2016.
Ken Burch
May 2015
#58
you, others say this. it has been in threads you and the others are in, there is never condemnation
seabeyond
May 2015
#88
Bella Abzug was a co-sponsor of The Equality Act in 1978 I think it was. The Equality Act was the
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#128
You're right that establishment hetero pols haven't done enough for LGBTQ rights.
Ken Burch
May 2015
#131
it is nice for you to allow us to be a part of 2016 elevction. so how about when we participate,
seabeyond
May 2015
#32
It's neither my place to allow you or forbid you to be part of the 2016 elections
Ken Burch
May 2015
#67
maybe when Ops attacking me personally and whole threads of mra pals insulting, ridiculing,
seabeyond
May 2015
#89
people are so busy trying to figure out and create my agenda, no one is actually listening to what i
seabeyond
May 2015
#98
"It's just that social isn't all that matters." strawman. "No one should tell you that social doesn'
seabeyond
May 2015
#104
no one is even asking for fuckin shit, but the acknowledgment of simple truths. you do not have to
seabeyond
May 2015
#110
i am done. totally done. done. and as we continue this argument, i will continue to call the
seabeyond
May 2015
#118
We aren't having an argument. You are simply attacking me with no justification
Ken Burch
May 2015
#125
it is amazing the number of these threads you and yours for economic justice throws up, yet....
seabeyond
May 2015
#35
You have people in this very thread stating it. And you did not address my points.
seabeyond
May 2015
#49
Ken's saying both things are intertwined, and he didn't call you a troll...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#61
first sentence... i did not go further in your post. already crap. i did not say ken said i was a
seabeyond
May 2015
#90
Three people sharing that if economic not priority it is trolling, just a start.
seabeyond
May 2015
#48
and they are BOTH wrong. dying while black is ALL social and no economic. that simple.
seabeyond
May 2015
#91
i have spelled it out for you so many times, as others have spelled it out for you in such simplicit
seabeyond
May 2015
#117
no. and it was pointed out. using wedge issue. stating poor white AS oppressed as minorities.
seabeyond
May 2015
#124
Again, neither of them claimed that economic issues *the* only thing...
Violet_Crumble
May 2015
#161
The struggle was not over in a few months and still continues though many many doors was opened.
Thinkingabout
May 2015
#77
The first time I took part in a 'gay political event' that event was demonstrating against health
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#133