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cascadiance

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56. The key is if she stands strongly against it now and helps Fast Track get defeated in the House...

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:16 PM

May 2015

... by doing so, then an argument can be made from her camp that she took a stand and actually did something to help back up her stance. If she were to do that, I might reconsider looking at her as a candidate.

Without something like that though, I simply don't trust very ambiguous rhetoric or lack of such that she's engaged in now with a past that shows times when she's worked against us on these free trade programs and has explicitly supported "indentured servant" work programs like H-1B visa program expansion that along with the outsourcing policies that are enabled through trade pacts like NAFTA and TPP serve only the wealthy classes and not the working classes of America or even those of other countries that don't use things like VAT taxes (pseudo tariff mechanisms) to protect their workers, that we don't and suffer for because we don't.

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LEFT Presses Clinton To CHOOSE SIDES On Obama Trade Pact [View all] Segami May 2015 OP

�...If she comes back, three or four months later,.. Segami May 2015 #1

Empty words are what neoliberals do best. 99Forever May 2015 #30

I will not vote for anyone pro TPP newfie11 May 2015 #2

She must be waiting.. Segami May 2015 #5

no. her advisors are for it. and she knows that the public opposes it cali May 2015 #6

I should have put Segami May 2015 #7

I will not vote for her if she reneges on Obama's TPP Yorktown May 2015 #12

LOL woo me with science May 2015 #15

Let me ask you a honest question: would Democrats be elected on a Bernie platform? Yorktown May 2015 #16

Stale lectures that liberal candidates can't win. How do we know it's a lie and a talking point? woo me with science May 2015 #17

Neoliberals do indeed think we are idiots. 99Forever May 2015 #33

Where have they won? treestar May 2015 #59

In times of economic crisis, populists start calling politicians liars. Yorktown May 2015 #100

No, when politicians LIE, that's when citizens start calling them liars. woo me with science May 2015 #117

You appear to read far too much in what I post Yorktown May 2015 #118

Aw, Hell, why not Jackpine Radical May 2015 #51

I don't believe you. frylock May 2015 #69

Mmmm! Aerows May 2015 #89

Here in Japan, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #92

It will harm anyone in a country with a stronger economy Aerows May 2015 #94

I don't think that too many people here in Japan even know about TPP Art_from_Ark May 2015 #121

Is Obama a teabagger? Yorktown May 2015 #96

I replied to what you posted. Aerows May 2015 #101

Not playing games, you lost me here. Yorktown May 2015 #103

You made the post #16 Aerows May 2015 #105

Then you answered besides the point Yorktown May 2015 #110

LMAO Aerows May 2015 #115

Like I said, I enjoy zingers. Yorktown May 2015 #116

+1, it is pretty amazing Marr May 2015 #24

Well, we cancel each other out then. Chan790 May 2015 #19

Wow. Just wow. I'm an infidel and a quisling now? Yorktown May 2015 #97

I don't pull punches if you couldn't tell. n/t Chan790 May 2015 #108

No harm done. Thick skin here. Yorktown May 2015 #112

So you're going to vote GOP or sit on yur hands? marble falls May 2015 #41

Sit on my hands. Yorktown May 2015 #98

I do not like Hilary Clinton's politics and I think President Obama has let us down on his promises. marble falls May 2015 #122

It's true the 2016 GOP line-up is really spooky. nt. Yorktown May 2015 #132

LMFAOROTFLOL L0oniX May 2015 #72

I'm just hoping Obama's work stands. Yorktown May 2015 #99

She won't. She supports it. cali May 2015 #3

OF COURSE she supports it. woo me with science May 2015 #22

Let's keep pretending we don't already know what she stands for! woo me with science May 2015 #4

but but but... she was just doing her job and following the dictates of her boss! cali May 2015 #8

"She doesn't have the political courage.."-- iow, she's a coward. nt antigop May 2015 #55

Spiraling down through a hail of bullets ...says she's not a coward. L0oniX May 2015 #75

Any position she takes will be meaningless. The proof is in Exilednight May 2015 #9

The key is if she stands strongly against it now and helps Fast Track get defeated in the House... cascadiance May 2015 #56

I don't trust her and will 840high May 2015 #119

Her position is well known. She helped write it and has championed it around the world ... Scuba May 2015 #10

Imagine that. woo me with science May 2015 #34

Hmmm...did anyone hear NPR this week? Sancho May 2015 #11

what equivocating bulloney cali May 2015 #13

We already know you are a Hillary basher...but... Sancho May 2015 #18

Hillary is far left? BlindTiresias May 2015 #29

Yep....Please read what I said. Sancho May 2015 #36

Far left is not where she is, sorry BlindTiresias May 2015 #68

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #125

Ok, and? BlindTiresias May 2015 #126

ok... Sancho May 2015 #127

yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about. BlindTiresias May 2015 #128

Sorry, but I lived it while you spout bs... Sancho May 2015 #129

She is a liberal BlindTiresias May 2015 #130

Okay, I'll play along. How far to the left was she on the Itaq war? Exilednight May 2015 #88

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #124

Voting record is about the shittiest mechanic you could try to use. jeff47 May 2015 #102

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #123

Why? jeff47 May 2015 #131

Uh, so the NPR reporters were endorsing her tactics? Or perhaps they were, you know, cali May 2015 #35

Again, you are unwilling to be rational as opposed to the same tirade... Sancho May 2015 #42

sorry, but wrongly accusing me of being irrational is simply bullshit. cali May 2015 #46

Why don't you accept the following...as reported on various media... Sancho May 2015 #50

she already has criticized him on, for instance, foreign policy. cali May 2015 #84

from 2009 the admin has had many Asian-Pacific trade meetings but I don't think the SOS was Sunlei May 2015 #14

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science May 2015 #20

Political views aren't "talking points" just because you disagree with them. ucrdem May 2015 #21

ROFL. Of course you do. And, no, absurdity is absurdity. woo me with science May 2015 #25

Let me know when you have a point. ucrdem May 2015 #26

what do you suggest the next President does about trade with the billions of people who share this Sunlei May 2015 #23

Oooh, slimier and slimier. woo me with science May 2015 #31

actually, I'm a very patient person. Though I do agree the Gov. moves to slow and doesn't stand-up Sunlei May 2015 #43

The patience you showed with that person who is straight up accusing you of being "paid" for your Number23 May 2015 #95

I'm sorry Sunlei, you don't deserve that kind of rudeness. ucrdem May 2015 #40

hehe thanks, let him speak. Sunlei May 2015 #44

Actually, DU does not deserve absurd accusations that those who oppose predatory trade agreements woo me with science May 2015 #48

You mean the people we already have free trade agreements with? jeff47 May 2015 #106

Hillary chev52 May 2015 #27

Screw the left. Hillary will run her campaign upaloopa May 2015 #28

"Screw the left." woo me with science May 2015 #32

I think that the constituents that have been screwed for so long will want to say "Screw you" back.. cascadiance May 2015 #57

You think everyone accepts your labels? treestar May 2015 #61

This stance of hers on H-1B is NOT liberal and those who understands this KNOW it isn't! cascadiance May 2015 #63

I don't think that's a good issue treestar May 2015 #65

You don't understand this... H-1B is NOT a process of "immigration" but TEMPORARY work here! cascadiance May 2015 #70

All of that is arguable treestar May 2015 #74

The *propaganda* (NOT "idea") behind H-1B is this... cascadiance May 2015 #80

ROFL jeff47 May 2015 #107

lol. yeah, it's all about how those that oppose her, are sexist meanies cali May 2015 #37

Screw the left? John Fucking Bolton posts at DU. Who knew? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #38

"Screw the Left." .......That would be an awesome campaign slogan for Hillary Clinton. woo me with science May 2015 #53

Care to elaborate on what is "best for all of us"? Do you have anything to add, or just platitudes? Exilednight May 2015 #90

Burn her! Burn her! How dare she wait to read the details of the 18000 pages before choosing Fred Sanders May 2015 #39

She will never read all of it. Few will. They aren't elected pols. cali May 2015 #47

Hillary's a fan of Mark Twain and takes his advice on making decisions. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #45

I'm with AFL-CIO as I always have been, they are not pressuring her as yet because the best time Bluenorthwest May 2015 #49

You know, there's a lot of broad-brushing on this site. F4lconF16 May 2015 #113

Do not try and conflate my disagreement with Hillary on policy Maedhros May 2015 #120

Hillary Clinton has no more access to the exact language of the TPP MineralMan May 2015 #52

Well, if so, was it not STUPID for Obama to have her negotiate TPP with other countries as SOS? cascadiance May 2015 #60

Secretaries of State have the job of representing the administration MineralMan May 2015 #64

Then do you like to vote in laws or means to put in place laws that you don't know anything about? cascadiance May 2015 #78

You know, the people I voted for in Congress oppose TPP. MineralMan May 2015 #79

Uh...you might want to remember her previous job. jeff47 May 2015 #109

If she came out against the TPP, MineralMan May 2015 #54

They MIGHT believe her if she did it NOW, and by doing so stopped it in the House from being passed! cascadiance May 2015 #62

I doubt that very much, frankly. MineralMan May 2015 #66

Then pardon us, MANY Democratic constituents, who will NOT feel like they can trust her! cascadiance May 2015 #73

I can't help you with this. I have no connection to the Clinton campaign. MineralMan May 2015 #76

She's spoken out against Citizens United Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #71

Exactly. There's no upside for her on these issues with some. MineralMan May 2015 #77

So, then she would say it really shouldn't matter that her donors give her more money than Sanders? cascadiance May 2015 #81

CU has nothing to do with campaign donations. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #82

A way to work around the process. Is she also against McCutcheon too? cascadiance May 2015 #83

You really are proving my point. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #85

I guess all of these corporate donors are really stupid to support her then! cascadiance May 2015 #86

You know, last primary Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #87

I don't see that she has to treestar May 2015 #58

Yes. And she and her campaign know that. MineralMan May 2015 #67

Because "Line up and vote for Humphrey" didn't work well in 1968. jeff47 May 2015 #111

The left can go to hell workinclasszero May 2015 #91

We choose Bernie Sanders. AtomicKitten May 2015 #93

Hillary is not exactly leading JEB May 2015 #104

Aw, it's the MEAN OLD LEFT again Warpy May 2015 #114