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MineralMan

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64. Secretaries of State have the job of representing the administration

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:34 PM

May 2015

under which they serve. If they do not do that, they do not continue in that position.

The TPP is a multinational agreement. It is not merely a production of the United States. The whole thing is far more complex than most people realize. Personally, I've formed no concrete opinion of it, due to insufficient information. I know that President Obama supports it, and I've listened to his stated reasons for doing so. I assume he's well-briefed on what's in it. I'm not.

Neither is anyone pontificating about it on DU. You're not going to see me commenting on the details of it, because I don't know them. I'm withholding judgment until people I trust who actually know the contents of the TPP weigh in. Right now, it's a political football. I don't deal with such things much.

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LEFT Presses Clinton To CHOOSE SIDES On Obama Trade Pact [View all] Segami May 2015 OP

�...If she comes back, three or four months later,.. Segami May 2015 #1

Empty words are what neoliberals do best. 99Forever May 2015 #30

I will not vote for anyone pro TPP newfie11 May 2015 #2

She must be waiting.. Segami May 2015 #5

no. her advisors are for it. and she knows that the public opposes it cali May 2015 #6

I should have put Segami May 2015 #7

I will not vote for her if she reneges on Obama's TPP Yorktown May 2015 #12

LOL woo me with science May 2015 #15

Let me ask you a honest question: would Democrats be elected on a Bernie platform? Yorktown May 2015 #16

Stale lectures that liberal candidates can't win. How do we know it's a lie and a talking point? woo me with science May 2015 #17

Neoliberals do indeed think we are idiots. 99Forever May 2015 #33

Where have they won? treestar May 2015 #59

In times of economic crisis, populists start calling politicians liars. Yorktown May 2015 #100

No, when politicians LIE, that's when citizens start calling them liars. woo me with science May 2015 #117

You appear to read far too much in what I post Yorktown May 2015 #118

Aw, Hell, why not Jackpine Radical May 2015 #51

I don't believe you. frylock May 2015 #69

Mmmm! Aerows May 2015 #89

Here in Japan, Art_from_Ark May 2015 #92

It will harm anyone in a country with a stronger economy Aerows May 2015 #94

I don't think that too many people here in Japan even know about TPP Art_from_Ark May 2015 #121

Is Obama a teabagger? Yorktown May 2015 #96

I replied to what you posted. Aerows May 2015 #101

Not playing games, you lost me here. Yorktown May 2015 #103

You made the post #16 Aerows May 2015 #105

Then you answered besides the point Yorktown May 2015 #110

LMAO Aerows May 2015 #115

Like I said, I enjoy zingers. Yorktown May 2015 #116

+1, it is pretty amazing Marr May 2015 #24

Well, we cancel each other out then. Chan790 May 2015 #19

Wow. Just wow. I'm an infidel and a quisling now? Yorktown May 2015 #97

I don't pull punches if you couldn't tell. n/t Chan790 May 2015 #108

No harm done. Thick skin here. Yorktown May 2015 #112

So you're going to vote GOP or sit on yur hands? marble falls May 2015 #41

Sit on my hands. Yorktown May 2015 #98

I do not like Hilary Clinton's politics and I think President Obama has let us down on his promises. marble falls May 2015 #122

It's true the 2016 GOP line-up is really spooky. nt. Yorktown May 2015 #132

LMFAOROTFLOL L0oniX May 2015 #72

I'm just hoping Obama's work stands. Yorktown May 2015 #99

She won't. She supports it. cali May 2015 #3

OF COURSE she supports it. woo me with science May 2015 #22

Let's keep pretending we don't already know what she stands for! woo me with science May 2015 #4

but but but... she was just doing her job and following the dictates of her boss! cali May 2015 #8

"She doesn't have the political courage.."-- iow, she's a coward. nt antigop May 2015 #55

Spiraling down through a hail of bullets ...says she's not a coward. L0oniX May 2015 #75

Any position she takes will be meaningless. The proof is in Exilednight May 2015 #9

The key is if she stands strongly against it now and helps Fast Track get defeated in the House... cascadiance May 2015 #56

I don't trust her and will 840high May 2015 #119

Her position is well known. She helped write it and has championed it around the world ... Scuba May 2015 #10

Imagine that. woo me with science May 2015 #34

Hmmm...did anyone hear NPR this week? Sancho May 2015 #11

what equivocating bulloney cali May 2015 #13

We already know you are a Hillary basher...but... Sancho May 2015 #18

Hillary is far left? BlindTiresias May 2015 #29

Yep....Please read what I said. Sancho May 2015 #36

Far left is not where she is, sorry BlindTiresias May 2015 #68

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #125

Ok, and? BlindTiresias May 2015 #126

ok... Sancho May 2015 #127

yeah, you have no idea what you are talking about. BlindTiresias May 2015 #128

Sorry, but I lived it while you spout bs... Sancho May 2015 #129

She is a liberal BlindTiresias May 2015 #130

Okay, I'll play along. How far to the left was she on the Itaq war? Exilednight May 2015 #88

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #124

Voting record is about the shittiest mechanic you could try to use. jeff47 May 2015 #102

Listen to Diane Rhem this am...interview with Bernie included.... Sancho May 2015 #123

Why? jeff47 May 2015 #131

Uh, so the NPR reporters were endorsing her tactics? Or perhaps they were, you know, cali May 2015 #35

Again, you are unwilling to be rational as opposed to the same tirade... Sancho May 2015 #42

sorry, but wrongly accusing me of being irrational is simply bullshit. cali May 2015 #46

Why don't you accept the following...as reported on various media... Sancho May 2015 #50

she already has criticized him on, for instance, foreign policy. cali May 2015 #84

from 2009 the admin has had many Asian-Pacific trade meetings but I don't think the SOS was Sunlei May 2015 #14

BWAH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA woo me with science May 2015 #20

Political views aren't "talking points" just because you disagree with them. ucrdem May 2015 #21

ROFL. Of course you do. And, no, absurdity is absurdity. woo me with science May 2015 #25

Let me know when you have a point. ucrdem May 2015 #26

what do you suggest the next President does about trade with the billions of people who share this Sunlei May 2015 #23

Oooh, slimier and slimier. woo me with science May 2015 #31

actually, I'm a very patient person. Though I do agree the Gov. moves to slow and doesn't stand-up Sunlei May 2015 #43

The patience you showed with that person who is straight up accusing you of being "paid" for your Number23 May 2015 #95

I'm sorry Sunlei, you don't deserve that kind of rudeness. ucrdem May 2015 #40

hehe thanks, let him speak. Sunlei May 2015 #44

Actually, DU does not deserve absurd accusations that those who oppose predatory trade agreements woo me with science May 2015 #48

You mean the people we already have free trade agreements with? jeff47 May 2015 #106

Hillary chev52 May 2015 #27

Screw the left. Hillary will run her campaign upaloopa May 2015 #28

"Screw the left." woo me with science May 2015 #32

I think that the constituents that have been screwed for so long will want to say "Screw you" back.. cascadiance May 2015 #57

You think everyone accepts your labels? treestar May 2015 #61

This stance of hers on H-1B is NOT liberal and those who understands this KNOW it isn't! cascadiance May 2015 #63

I don't think that's a good issue treestar May 2015 #65

You don't understand this... H-1B is NOT a process of "immigration" but TEMPORARY work here! cascadiance May 2015 #70

All of that is arguable treestar May 2015 #74

The *propaganda* (NOT "idea") behind H-1B is this... cascadiance May 2015 #80

ROFL jeff47 May 2015 #107

lol. yeah, it's all about how those that oppose her, are sexist meanies cali May 2015 #37

Screw the left? John Fucking Bolton posts at DU. Who knew? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #38

"Screw the Left." .......That would be an awesome campaign slogan for Hillary Clinton. woo me with science May 2015 #53

Care to elaborate on what is "best for all of us"? Do you have anything to add, or just platitudes? Exilednight May 2015 #90

Burn her! Burn her! How dare she wait to read the details of the 18000 pages before choosing Fred Sanders May 2015 #39

She will never read all of it. Few will. They aren't elected pols. cali May 2015 #47

Hillary's a fan of Mark Twain and takes his advice on making decisions. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #45

I'm with AFL-CIO as I always have been, they are not pressuring her as yet because the best time Bluenorthwest May 2015 #49

You know, there's a lot of broad-brushing on this site. F4lconF16 May 2015 #113

Do not try and conflate my disagreement with Hillary on policy Maedhros May 2015 #120

Hillary Clinton has no more access to the exact language of the TPP MineralMan May 2015 #52

Well, if so, was it not STUPID for Obama to have her negotiate TPP with other countries as SOS? cascadiance May 2015 #60

Secretaries of State have the job of representing the administration MineralMan May 2015 #64

Then do you like to vote in laws or means to put in place laws that you don't know anything about? cascadiance May 2015 #78

You know, the people I voted for in Congress oppose TPP. MineralMan May 2015 #79

Uh...you might want to remember her previous job. jeff47 May 2015 #109

If she came out against the TPP, MineralMan May 2015 #54

They MIGHT believe her if she did it NOW, and by doing so stopped it in the House from being passed! cascadiance May 2015 #62

I doubt that very much, frankly. MineralMan May 2015 #66

Then pardon us, MANY Democratic constituents, who will NOT feel like they can trust her! cascadiance May 2015 #73

I can't help you with this. I have no connection to the Clinton campaign. MineralMan May 2015 #76

She's spoken out against Citizens United Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #71

Exactly. There's no upside for her on these issues with some. MineralMan May 2015 #77

So, then she would say it really shouldn't matter that her donors give her more money than Sanders? cascadiance May 2015 #81

CU has nothing to do with campaign donations. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #82

A way to work around the process. Is she also against McCutcheon too? cascadiance May 2015 #83

You really are proving my point. Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #85

I guess all of these corporate donors are really stupid to support her then! cascadiance May 2015 #86

You know, last primary Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #87

I don't see that she has to treestar May 2015 #58

Yes. And she and her campaign know that. MineralMan May 2015 #67

Because "Line up and vote for Humphrey" didn't work well in 1968. jeff47 May 2015 #111

The left can go to hell workinclasszero May 2015 #91

We choose Bernie Sanders. AtomicKitten May 2015 #93

Hillary is not exactly leading JEB May 2015 #104

Aw, it's the MEAN OLD LEFT again Warpy May 2015 #114