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In reply to the discussion: Dieting results in long term changes to hormones and muscle fibers. [View all]eridani
(51,907 posts)300. These people are part of a very, very small minority
Even with very, very loose standards for success, there is only a 20% success rate for fat people. You ought to quit channelling Mitt Rmoney--most people really, really cannot get as rich as he has gotten.
http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev.nutr.21.1.323?journalCode=nutr
We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1 year. According to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able to achieve success.
We propose defining successful long-term weight loss maintenance as intentionally losing at least 10% of initial body weight and keeping it off for at least 1 year. According to this definition, the picture is much more optimistic, with perhaps greater than 20% of overweight/obese persons able to achieve success.
IOW, about 4 out of 5 people weighing 300 lbs can't even lose 30 lbs and keep it off for more than a year. For those people, significant weight loss is indeed pretty close to hopeless, and they would be better off to focus on specific excercise and dietary changes with the goal of maintaining the behaviors regardless of how much weight they lose. Note that the authors of the redefinition maintain the National Weight Loss Registry, which is about as optimistic as people in the field ever get, and that they stay optimistic by setting pretty low standards for success.
Please stop telling me that if 6-8 hours a day of fully loaded bike touring results in no weight loss, then there must be something that I could do that is way easier which will have different results.
I don't have the athletic talent of successful fat athletes, but I admire them a great deal more for prioritizing athletic success over weight loss. For that matter, doing anything well regardless of weight is my ideal.
http://articles.latimes.com/2001/jan/28/local/me-18062
Here are some numbers on Dave Alexander, triathlete
Finished 276 triathlons in 37 countries in 17 years.
- Swam 9.6 miles, cycled 448 miles, ran 104.8 miles in a recent super-triathlon in eastern Hungary. His time, he says with perfect recall, was 85 hours, 46 minutes, 38 seconds.
Those are pretty remarkable numbers. But Alexander has a few more: He's 55 years old, 5 feet, 8 inches tall and 260 pounds heavy.
Alexander's silver hair is thinning. His bright blue eyes are going bad. His barrel stomach is getting bigger. Other triathletes often mistake him for a race organizer.
"I'm a great bar bet," he says with a laugh. "I don't look like I can walk across the street, let alone run a triathlon."
Here are some numbers on Dave Alexander, triathlete
Finished 276 triathlons in 37 countries in 17 years.
- Swam 9.6 miles, cycled 448 miles, ran 104.8 miles in a recent super-triathlon in eastern Hungary. His time, he says with perfect recall, was 85 hours, 46 minutes, 38 seconds.
Those are pretty remarkable numbers. But Alexander has a few more: He's 55 years old, 5 feet, 8 inches tall and 260 pounds heavy.
Alexander's silver hair is thinning. His bright blue eyes are going bad. His barrel stomach is getting bigger. Other triathletes often mistake him for a race organizer.
"I'm a great bar bet," he says with a laugh. "I don't look like I can walk across the street, let alone run a triathlon."
http://www.fortunecity.com/olympia/romario/912/gnews186.htm# (unfortunately you have to pay $4/week to get at the 1999 archives)
She does not want to be perceived as a novelty, greeted with grins and stupid questions. She is large. She is a weightlifter. And she is, thank you very much, an Olympic medal hopeful. Cheryl Haworth, a high school junior, stands 5 feet 9 and weighs 300 pounds. She owns every record in every category of American women's, junior and school- age weightlifting in the super heavyweight class.
She just turned 17 last week.
At the March national championships here, she easily topped the women's field and, for good measure, outlifted every male her age. She is so strong, U.S. women's national team coach Michael Cohen said, some high school football coaches avoid her training sessions at the state-of-the-art weightlifting complex in Savannah, Ga., so as not to demoralize their players.
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Even four years after her debut, she continues to make observers exclaim. In Frederick, she snatched an American record 264.6 pounds and lifted a record 319.7 pounds in the clean and jerk. She runs the 40-yard dash in five seconds flat, an excellent time for an NFL lineman. She has a 32-inch vertical leap, which would satisfy a college basketball coach. Her flexibility is equally impressive: She can do a split both with her legs splayed to the front and back as well as sideways.
She does not want to be perceived as a novelty, greeted with grins and stupid questions. She is large. She is a weightlifter. And she is, thank you very much, an Olympic medal hopeful. Cheryl Haworth, a high school junior, stands 5 feet 9 and weighs 300 pounds. She owns every record in every category of American women's, junior and school- age weightlifting in the super heavyweight class.
She just turned 17 last week.
At the March national championships here, she easily topped the women's field and, for good measure, outlifted every male her age. She is so strong, U.S. women's national team coach Michael Cohen said, some high school football coaches avoid her training sessions at the state-of-the-art weightlifting complex in Savannah, Ga., so as not to demoralize their players.
<snip>
Even four years after her debut, she continues to make observers exclaim. In Frederick, she snatched an American record 264.6 pounds and lifted a record 319.7 pounds in the clean and jerk. She runs the 40-yard dash in five seconds flat, an excellent time for an NFL lineman. She has a 32-inch vertical leap, which would satisfy a college basketball coach. Her flexibility is equally impressive: She can do a split both with her legs splayed to the front and back as well as sideways.
http://www.haverford.edu/news/stories/59061/51 (More recent link)
At first glance, Olympic weightlifting might seem out of place amidst the scholarly brawniness that generally defines Haverford. But then again, Olympic medalist Cheryl Haworth has never been one to uphold traditional expectations.
Haworth, who has been called the strongest woman in this hemisphere, visited Haverford last week as a part of both the ongoing art exhibition And the Winner is and the Strange Truth Documentary Series. She currently holds the North American record in the clean and jerk lift (319 lbs.) as well as the snatch (275 lbs.) and has competed in three Olympic Games, winning the bronze medal in 2000.
Her weightlifting prowess, however, isnt the only thing that sets her apart. While Haworth weighs about 300 lbs., she remains flexible and agile. Shes fond of boasting that she could out-jump all but two players on the U.S. Olympic Volleyball team and even run the 40-yard dash in 5.5 seconds. In her free time, though, shes an accomplished artist and received a B.F.A. in Historical Preservation at the Savannah College of Art and Design.
At first glance, Olympic weightlifting might seem out of place amidst the scholarly brawniness that generally defines Haverford. But then again, Olympic medalist Cheryl Haworth has never been one to uphold traditional expectations.
Haworth, who has been called the strongest woman in this hemisphere, visited Haverford last week as a part of both the ongoing art exhibition And the Winner is and the Strange Truth Documentary Series. She currently holds the North American record in the clean and jerk lift (319 lbs.) as well as the snatch (275 lbs.) and has competed in three Olympic Games, winning the bronze medal in 2000.
Her weightlifting prowess, however, isnt the only thing that sets her apart. While Haworth weighs about 300 lbs., she remains flexible and agile. Shes fond of boasting that she could out-jump all but two players on the U.S. Olympic Volleyball team and even run the 40-yard dash in 5.5 seconds. In her free time, though, shes an accomplished artist and received a B.F.A. in Historical Preservation at the Savannah College of Art and Design.
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Self control being defined as eating the right foods in the right quantities
Taitertots
May 2012
#15
Gay people could become straight is they were willing to accept discomfort also
eridani
May 2012
#72
LOL, you are not what I call an understanding person. But I bet you know that!
Logical
May 2012
#243
No. Merely statistically improbable, at least when talking about significant poundage.
eridani
May 2012
#121
Ah so the Japanese and Europeans must be a different species from us
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#245
You can't change genetics, and you can't change environmental factors either as an individual
eridani
May 2012
#271
The same exercise and diet program leads to widely disparate results for different people
eridani
May 2012
#292
Sorry, what? I missed that in the article.Who wouldn't feel hungry on a 500-calorie-per-day diet?
Habibi
May 2012
#38
Right. Craziness. Nobody can feel good on a 500-cal-a-day diet. It's wrong and stupid and harmful.
Habibi
May 2012
#50
Reasonable portion sizes should leave you feeling content and not gaining weight
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#167
What doesn't matter is the weight loss results from eating less and exercising more
eridani
May 2012
#198
Given the reality that human metabolic controls prefer fat to lean body weight--
eridani
May 2012
#221
Energy input required for burning protein is lower that required for burning fat
eridani
May 2012
#274
Keeping on with what you are doing does not necessarily result in further weight loss
eridani
May 2012
#16
Since when does reporting how the rest of the world reacts to a 50 lb weight loss--
eridani
May 2012
#177
But if the physical activity you enjoy and have time for does not result in significant weight loss-
eridani
May 2012
#67
What you are talking about is a mindfulness about training that many aren't motivated to share.
eridani
May 2012
#197
Since I fixed it without losing a single pound, the correlation is meaningless in the real world
eridani
May 2012
#222
Yes, it should. But is is absolutely nutz to assume that it will lead to significant weight loss
eridani
May 2012
#118
You can make changes to your habits, but that may or may not result in significant weight loss
eridani
May 2012
#123
I found studying the diets of Asia and the Mideast taught me how to spice vegetables.
alfredo
May 2012
#27
That's because you need some protein and fat with every meal to feel full
nobodyspecial
May 2012
#23
Except that if you try to adjust caloric intake and energy output by force of will--
eridani
May 2012
#69
Awesome thanks! from your earlier post I thought one of them was the 4-hour body..
truebrit71
May 2012
#212
Pot smoking & masturbating frequently to porn are two of the best things men can do for their health
Warren DeMontague
May 2012
#55
If you cheat and have 86% of your subjects be male, of course you will get better results
eridani
May 2012
#148
There are only 99 other people like her who did the same thing and didn't lose much weight
eridani
May 2012
#105
An obese person who exercises more and eats a healthier diet will also reap a lot of health benefits
eridani
May 2012
#310
+1 I switched from Ranch dressing to the make your own variety a few years ago
SlimJimmy
May 2012
#98
Well bully for you. Very few fat women start out with a habit of eating 4000 calories a day
eridani
May 2012
#106
The info isn't necessary to convince me of that. Reality is sufficient all by itself.
eridani
May 2012
#119
Modest weight loss leaves fat people with exactly the same levels of public abuse as before.
eridani
May 2012
#139
I guess that explains all those skinny athletic kids with type II diabetes
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#188
There has been no increase in the number of people genetically predisposed toward diabetes
eridani
May 2012
#226
Type II diabetes is not "divorced from" obesity. The same genes cause both diabetes and obesity
eridani
May 2012
#276
A great example about why focusing on weight loss instead of health is a bad idea
eridani
May 2012
#234
So it doesn't matter to you whether cold symptoms are caused by viruses or bacteria?
eridani
May 2012
#260
That is absolute crap, period. But if human bodies were bomb calorimeters, you'd be right.
eridani
May 2012
#193
You're right, people are amazing machines, capable of greater than 100% efficiency
4th law of robotics
May 2012
#214
The human body is constrained by physics. This does not mean that physics explains
eridani
May 2012
#230
Wrong. Reducing calorie intake and increasing activity shifts metabolic equilibrium--
eridani
May 2012
#273
I agree. Eating charcoal briquettes or drinking gasoline is a very bad idea n/t
eridani
May 2012
#194
Funny, but that's what a lot of anorexic women say a few years before they die n/t
eridani
May 2012
#202
Intense physical exertion is the key not starvation. Working out also changes muscles and hormones
Edweird
May 2012
#207
And if you don't have time to to enough of it to lose signifcant amounts of weight?
eridani
May 2012
#231
Then you might as well 'live it up' and just not worry about weight loss and just enjoy the ride...
Edweird
May 2012
#252
The thing about all these environmental factors is that we can't do anything about them--
eridani
May 2012
#233
Maybe someone could start a thread where posters could be irrational about muscle tissue
eridani
May 2012
#235
They never talk about auto-immune disease--Hashimoto's thyroiditis,
Manifestor_of_Light
May 2012
#269
For the same reason I argue with people who think gay people should stay in the closet
eridani
May 2012
#287