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Aerows

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24. Astroturfing for another

Sun May 17, 2015, 12:55 PM

May 2015

"Screw the 99%" trade deal? Oh my, what a shock. I'm just stunned that there could be folks astroturfing for such a thing - falsely claiming to support it, poo-pooing those who oppose it as worry warts, and declaring that we should have faith in Obama because he's never let us down and we should trust him.

Here's a key point that should wake up anyone that is genuinely on the fence: George W. Bush made fast track a key point of his campaign. He failed narrowly, even in the midst of the "we must support the President" fervor following 9/11.

I don't know about you, but if George W. Bush was all for the TPP, that's a pretty clear indicator to me that it's a horrible, horrible deal for everybody that isn't politically and financially connected at the very top.

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Astroturf Warning: TPP Critics Call Out Fake 'Progressive' Group Pushing Corporate Trade Agenda [View all] IDemo May 2015 OP

for the life of me i can't figure out why Obama is pushing this so hard rurallib May 2015 #1

The only theory I've seen that makes any kind of sense SusanCalvin May 2015 #13

that is pretty much my conclusion rurallib May 2015 #34

Most likely. 840high May 2015 #55

I think that's certainly a part of it... elzenmahn May 2015 #73

That's scary to hear. nt SusanCalvin May 2015 #78

Bush pushed for it too at almost exactly the same point in his presidency, when he sabrina 1 May 2015 #15

EZ, ... PosterChild May 2015 #42

you forgot this rurallib May 2015 #49

Lol tennstar May 2015 #53

Maybe you think . .. PosterChild May 2015 #65

Oh dear god. SusanCalvin May 2015 #58

Oh ye of little faith. /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #62

No faith whatsoever. SusanCalvin May 2015 #64

It's part of his post-White-House job search. JDPriestly May 2015 #44

I fear I must agree with you rurallib May 2015 #50

It's because he really wants this Joe Turner May 2015 #51

....x10 840high May 2015 #56

Meet '270 Solutions'... Segami May 2015 #2

Where did they get their startup funding? n/t hootinholler May 2015 #20

Not sure Segami May 2015 #29

That name 270 solutions is an interesting one. zeemike May 2015 #52

I am still agnostic about TPP, but the dishonesty of the Obama administration Vattel May 2015 #3

I'm completely opposed to signing contracts I am not allowed to read. It is that simple, really. sabrina 1 May 2015 #17

I agree, but it is even worse to be dishonest about a contract and then Vattel May 2015 #23

Yes, of course it is. The problem is we don't know what is in this deal. And that is just not sabrina 1 May 2015 #28

We are pretty sure that, as with NAFTA, corporations which are artificial bodies created by JDPriestly May 2015 #47

I'm beginning to think that someone is being held hostage somewhere until this is signed. sabrina 1 May 2015 #70

It makes no sense, not even politically. JDPriestly May 2015 #71

It makes sense Art_from_Ark May 2015 #82

Amen. nt SusanCalvin May 2015 #60

I don't understand how somebody can be "agnostic" about it magical thyme May 2015 #74

'Progressive Coalition for American Jobs' KG May 2015 #4

So the oligarchs who want this deal have fake support groups, blog posters, etc. Who knew? Scuba May 2015 #5

TO THE GREATEST PAGE. Lies and propaganda are standard MO for corrupt, corporate government. woo me with science May 2015 #6

Thank YOU for this information! haikugal May 2015 #16

Some day all these deceptive propaganda groups will become illegal I hope. Isn't it illegal to sabrina 1 May 2015 #18

No. It's now legal. delrem May 2015 #48

Unbelievable! I remembered that it was illegal to use propaganda on the American people, but had no sabrina 1 May 2015 #77

Yes. But you'd better believe it. delrem May 2015 #81

It was done so quietly, woo me with science May 2015 #83

Nope. I think so many of the viewers of it are themselves partial owners of the corporations raouldukelives May 2015 #75

Righteous Rant, woo. bvar22 May 2015 #37

Thanks for the links. Excellent info. Bookmark. JEB May 2015 #80

Ari Rabin-Havt did an interview with a spokes-hack from this PCAJ group bullwinkle428 May 2015 #7

Great link, thank you. That too should be an OP, the only way to combat these sabrina 1 May 2015 #19

That was amazing. Marr May 2015 #61

I have no doubts about this. Enthusiast May 2015 #8

kick for exposure. follow the money. ;) NuttyFluffers May 2015 #9

To pull this off Obama is going to have to sound more like John McCain, Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney fasttense May 2015 #10

LOL! Knock me over with a feather. Big K&R. myrna minx May 2015 #11

K & R !!! Thespian2 May 2015 #12

Neocons and neolibs. 99Forever May 2015 #14

DU noticed this group coming out of nowhere in March... cascadiance May 2015 #21

^ Wilms May 2015 #22

Astroturfing for another Aerows May 2015 #24

Actually, there are legitimate people in that organization, such as Deval Patrick, Chritien Gregorie Hoyt May 2015 #25

I don't know who Chritien Gregoire is, but are you going to deny that this cali May 2015 #26

You are what you Third Way IDemo May 2015 #27

The author at that link doesn't have much pertinent experience beyond computer game development. Hoyt May 2015 #30

Lots of groups? Like environmentalists, for instance? IDemo May 2015 #33

Yeah, well some of those you name are just trying to increase membership/readership Hoyt May 2015 #35

Are you Attacking the Messenger again, bvar22 May 2015 #38

Like you. LMAO. Hoyt May 2015 #39

No. Not like me. bvar22 May 2015 #41

+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #46

+10000000000 woo me with science May 2015 #54

Here we go again Gregoire is tennstar May 2015 #57

You seem to be in the minority in your opinion. Hoyt May 2015 #59

Coming from you tennstar May 2015 #67

Oh, it's you. delrem May 2015 #63

Deval Patrick has joined Bain Capital and says Romney is not such a bad guy. djean111 May 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2015 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #32

Deval Patrick? colsohlibgal May 2015 #36

Deval "Bain Capital" Patrick. (n/t) SMC22307 May 2015 #66

Yes, I came across that serving of turd-drop soup a couple weeks ago. Sent back to kitchen. Eleanors38 May 2015 #40

kick to expose the cancer of slimy corporate propaganda woo me with science May 2015 #43

Kick and R. BeanMusical May 2015 #45

I think it's a safe bet to assume that ANY progressive political action committee is a fake. TrollBuster9090 May 2015 #68

Hope you don't mind, but I"m linking brentspeak's OP from the 10th... SMC22307 May 2015 #69

He sees how well fucking over the American Worker (via NAFTA) paid off for the Clintons... AzDar May 2015 #72

kick CORRUPTION woo me with science May 2015 #79