LEFT Presses Clinton To CHOOSE SIDES On Obama Trade Pact

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70. You don't understand this... H-1B is NOT a process of "immigration" but TEMPORARY work here!

H-1B visa program not only hurts American workers who it displaces and lowers salaries for with these artificially low salaries of jobs they have to compete with, but it hurts foreign workers too with many of the abuses they have to endure to be a part of this program to work here rather than follow more traditional means like green cards or even an actual IMMIGRATION process to become a citizen here if that is their goal (and which is the traditional view of our founders and liberals of what this country is about. People moving here to become CITIZENS, not slave like "guest workers&quot .

People who become citizens can:
1) demand higher salaries or move to another job that will offer them such. H-1B doesn't allow for this!
2) provide incentive to have them move here along with their families. Many who are in H-1B visa program have their family back in the other country where cost of living might be an order of magnitude lower than ours here, and couldn't afford to have them move here. This hurts them as families.
3) Item 2 also has money they earn being mostly shipped out of the country to other countries which stimulates THEIR economies rather than ours in spending activity. If American workers had those jobs here, the money would be spent here and stimulate OUR economy instead.
4) Ultimately the investment in foreign TEMPORARY workers through H-1B helps train work forces that move back to their native country and helps build cities like Bangalore, India to be the high tech capital of the world rather than Silicon Valley, since we've helped in effect to train their work force!
5) More H-1B workers means less American voters who are working at these companies, and less of these workers that a part of Unions to fight for better working conditions here. All part of the 1% plan that you or Hillary don't seem to have a problem with.
6) H-1B workers employed through "body shops" are abused in places they live here ("guest houses&quot . I've seen this practice myself when H-1B workers were stacked in a small apartment across the hall from where I lived right before I left the bay area.

Don't believe that foreign workers aren't abused with this too? Well, watch this interview to see the point of view from one of those H-1B visa workers on how he feels like this program is screwing him too.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigations/Silicon-Valleys-Body-Shop-Secret-280567322.html

And it isn't just tech workers that get screwed by guest worker programs like H-1B. H-2B is also a bad program that is a similar "guest worker" program used to hire more "indentured servant" workers to do things like work on rebuilding New Orleans after Katrina, instead of spending that money on AMERICAN workers down there who needed jobs to do this sort of work.

And look at how this program and how it was abused actually wound up in court for the even worse abuses that it was putting in place.

http://www.thenation.com/blog/198665/these-workers-came-overseas-help-rebuild-after-hurricane-katrina-and-were-treated-prison

Here's a certain liberal candidate for 2016 who understands this and who speaks out for us, unlike Hillary Clinton! He notes here that both H-1B and H-2 worker visa programs have been abused, and that we need other solutions than these to work for the middle class here, and ones that don't abuse the working class of all countries as a whole.

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2916827/it-outsourcing/bernie-sanders-h-1b-skeptic.html

I saw the ABUSES that I describe here start in the 90's that you describe as not being a problem then, that started things like layoffs at many Silicon Valley companies that hadn't done ANY layoffs before then. I saw personally a "guest house" being described in that NBC story back in those days right in the apartment next to me when a whole large group of H-1B workers were stacked in that apartment when my neighbor moved out when the apartment rent was raised (which had me leaving not long after that before my lease was up). Apparently the person who "owned" these H-1B workers decided at one point to kick them all out to find someplace else so that he could have the place to himself. I also saw managers joking how they could hire H-1B workers from a body shop cheap since they hired a "service" from them rather than specific contract workers from them as a way around paying them equivalent salaries.

These problems have been happening for a long time now.

The economy didn't "naturally contract", but it had collapsed after the laddering scams of many of the investment industry had fostered at the end of the 90's as part of the dotcom *BUBBLE* had engineered them exploded then and the people like employees with stock options that they'd exercised earlier were left having to pay for AMT taxes unless they sold their stock because they were paying income taxes on unemployment for the same year. I had that happen to me once.

Not a small issue! If high tech is the economy instead of manufacturing that some claim should be built here to replace the manufacturing jobs that were decimated by NAFTA, then it is part of the economy that needs to be built with decent paying jobs for American workers and not screwed again like manufacturing workers were earlier and people left with just abused temporary contract jobs like is the case for so many tech workers now.