General Discussion

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)

47. We are pretty sure that, as with NAFTA, corporations which are artificial bodies created by

Sun May 17, 2015, 08:53 PM

May 2015

law to protect investors' from having more liability for a company they invest in than the money they invest, will have the ability to sue countries for democratically enacted laws if the company feels the law costs it money.

We can be pretty sure that employees who lose money because a corporation moves their job to another country will have no right to sue the country to which the job has been moved and will also have no right to sue his/her employer for moving the job.

Which one is created by law, by government? The corporation.

Which one is created by a natural act that makes him/her human and therefore according to American traditions and values the possessor of inherent rights? The human.

Which one is being given the greater rights by these trade agreements? The corporation.

It's simply wrong. It makes no sense. We humans are supposed to enact our laws to please and promote the interests of the corporations under these trade deals. It should be the other way around.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

83 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Astroturf Warning: TPP Critics Call Out Fake 'Progressive' Group Pushing Corporate Trade Agenda [View all] IDemo May 2015 OP

for the life of me i can't figure out why Obama is pushing this so hard rurallib May 2015 #1

The only theory I've seen that makes any kind of sense SusanCalvin May 2015 #13

that is pretty much my conclusion rurallib May 2015 #34

Most likely. 840high May 2015 #55

I think that's certainly a part of it... elzenmahn May 2015 #73

That's scary to hear. nt SusanCalvin May 2015 #78

Bush pushed for it too at almost exactly the same point in his presidency, when he sabrina 1 May 2015 #15

EZ, ... PosterChild May 2015 #42

you forgot this rurallib May 2015 #49

Lol tennstar May 2015 #53

Maybe you think . .. PosterChild May 2015 #65

Oh dear god. SusanCalvin May 2015 #58

Oh ye of little faith. /nt/ PosterChild May 2015 #62

No faith whatsoever. SusanCalvin May 2015 #64

It's part of his post-White-House job search. JDPriestly May 2015 #44

I fear I must agree with you rurallib May 2015 #50

It's because he really wants this Joe Turner May 2015 #51

....x10 840high May 2015 #56

Meet '270 Solutions'... Segami May 2015 #2

Where did they get their startup funding? n/t hootinholler May 2015 #20

Not sure Segami May 2015 #29

That name 270 solutions is an interesting one. zeemike May 2015 #52

I am still agnostic about TPP, but the dishonesty of the Obama administration Vattel May 2015 #3

I'm completely opposed to signing contracts I am not allowed to read. It is that simple, really. sabrina 1 May 2015 #17

I agree, but it is even worse to be dishonest about a contract and then Vattel May 2015 #23

Yes, of course it is. The problem is we don't know what is in this deal. And that is just not sabrina 1 May 2015 #28

We are pretty sure that, as with NAFTA, corporations which are artificial bodies created by JDPriestly May 2015 #47

I'm beginning to think that someone is being held hostage somewhere until this is signed. sabrina 1 May 2015 #70

It makes no sense, not even politically. JDPriestly May 2015 #71

It makes sense Art_from_Ark May 2015 #82

Amen. nt SusanCalvin May 2015 #60

I don't understand how somebody can be "agnostic" about it magical thyme May 2015 #74

'Progressive Coalition for American Jobs' KG May 2015 #4

So the oligarchs who want this deal have fake support groups, blog posters, etc. Who knew? Scuba May 2015 #5

TO THE GREATEST PAGE. Lies and propaganda are standard MO for corrupt, corporate government. woo me with science May 2015 #6

Thank YOU for this information! haikugal May 2015 #16

Some day all these deceptive propaganda groups will become illegal I hope. Isn't it illegal to sabrina 1 May 2015 #18

No. It's now legal. delrem May 2015 #48

Unbelievable! I remembered that it was illegal to use propaganda on the American people, but had no sabrina 1 May 2015 #77

Yes. But you'd better believe it. delrem May 2015 #81

It was done so quietly, woo me with science May 2015 #83

Nope. I think so many of the viewers of it are themselves partial owners of the corporations raouldukelives May 2015 #75

Righteous Rant, woo. bvar22 May 2015 #37

Thanks for the links. Excellent info. Bookmark. JEB May 2015 #80

Ari Rabin-Havt did an interview with a spokes-hack from this PCAJ group bullwinkle428 May 2015 #7

Great link, thank you. That too should be an OP, the only way to combat these sabrina 1 May 2015 #19

That was amazing. Marr May 2015 #61

I have no doubts about this. Enthusiast May 2015 #8

kick for exposure. follow the money. ;) NuttyFluffers May 2015 #9

To pull this off Obama is going to have to sound more like John McCain, Sarah Palin and Mitt Romney fasttense May 2015 #10

LOL! Knock me over with a feather. Big K&R. myrna minx May 2015 #11

K & R !!! Thespian2 May 2015 #12

Neocons and neolibs. 99Forever May 2015 #14

DU noticed this group coming out of nowhere in March... cascadiance May 2015 #21

^ Wilms May 2015 #22

Astroturfing for another Aerows May 2015 #24

Actually, there are legitimate people in that organization, such as Deval Patrick, Chritien Gregorie Hoyt May 2015 #25

I don't know who Chritien Gregoire is, but are you going to deny that this cali May 2015 #26

You are what you Third Way IDemo May 2015 #27

The author at that link doesn't have much pertinent experience beyond computer game development. Hoyt May 2015 #30

Lots of groups? Like environmentalists, for instance? IDemo May 2015 #33

Yeah, well some of those you name are just trying to increase membership/readership Hoyt May 2015 #35

Are you Attacking the Messenger again, bvar22 May 2015 #38

Like you. LMAO. Hoyt May 2015 #39

No. Not like me. bvar22 May 2015 #41

+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #46

+10000000000 woo me with science May 2015 #54

Here we go again Gregoire is tennstar May 2015 #57

You seem to be in the minority in your opinion. Hoyt May 2015 #59

Coming from you tennstar May 2015 #67

Oh, it's you. delrem May 2015 #63

Deval Patrick has joined Bain Capital and says Romney is not such a bad guy. djean111 May 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2015 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #32

Deval Patrick? colsohlibgal May 2015 #36

Deval "Bain Capital" Patrick. (n/t) SMC22307 May 2015 #66

Yes, I came across that serving of turd-drop soup a couple weeks ago. Sent back to kitchen. Eleanors38 May 2015 #40

kick to expose the cancer of slimy corporate propaganda woo me with science May 2015 #43

Kick and R. BeanMusical May 2015 #45

I think it's a safe bet to assume that ANY progressive political action committee is a fake. TrollBuster9090 May 2015 #68

Hope you don't mind, but I"m linking brentspeak's OP from the 10th... SMC22307 May 2015 #69

He sees how well fucking over the American Worker (via NAFTA) paid off for the Clintons... AzDar May 2015 #72

kick CORRUPTION woo me with science May 2015 #79