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BainsBane

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76. Polls vs. hubris

Mon May 18, 2015, 07:00 PM

May 2015

No contest. The self-entitled know the minds of the little people better than they do themselves, and they know their choices don't matter. Here we have a conception of politics with ego at it's base. "I" believe Clinton can't win, therefore she cannot since only "I"know the truth. No thought that "I" do not share has any value because it is all about "me." Anything that exists outside of their experience is by definition inconsequential because nothing and no one else can possibly matter. The politics of ego, the ultimate manifestation of bourgeois entitlement that that treats all but themselves with contempt.

In sum, polls don't matter. There is no reality or political thought beyond what they want, beyond their interests and views. No one else can possibly have a valid opinion.

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At least 17 years! [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

As a proud gay man I stand with Hillary Clinton! hrmjustin May 2015 #1

17 years. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #2

I will only vote for a candidate I believe can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

Then why support Hillary Clinton? FlatBaroque May 2015 #30

Lol your opinion. My opinion is she is the only Democratic Candidate or possible Democratic hrmjustin May 2015 #34

But she's won many tough fights MannyGoldstein May 2015 #35

She endured Bosnian sniper fire, for starters RufusTFirefly May 2015 #91

I love you. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #96

Just as long as Mrs. Teasdale doesn't find out! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #105

Quit picking on her. She was telling the truth about being under fire in Bosnia Jackpine Radical May 2015 #158

You got those right wing talking points MaggieD May 2015 #370

Busted! You got me! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #375

Haha thread win! whatchamacallit May 2015 #379

There was the Credit Card and small peon bankruptcy legislation. Octafish May 2015 #305

She polls better than any other candidate -- Democrat or Republican. pnwmom May 2015 #49

Lol I wonder if Sanders supporters realize the gop wants him to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #52

The GOP likes him as a spoiler, just as they did Ralph. pnwmom May 2015 #57

Probably not because it would hurt him with some of the purists. hrmjustin May 2015 #63

Ralph? daleanime May 2015 #64

Nader. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #88

It's what I would expect from a republican.... daleanime May 2015 #264

+1 ...and we have a third pary now ...the 1%. L0oniX May 2015 #347

Barry? KMOD May 2015 #253

When Obama first started his campaign for president..... daleanime May 2015 #260

At least Bernie doesn't have the blood of 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilians KingCharlemagne May 2015 #113

True. We can thank Ralph for helping to toss the election to Bush, pnwmom May 2015 #115

Actually you can than Al rpannier May 2015 #148

And yet if 1% of Nader's 95,000 votes in Florida had gone to Gore, pnwmom May 2015 #155

Florida is always the thing that is pointed to rpannier May 2015 #161

It might not be the only reason Gore lost -- but he would have WON if 1% of Nader's voters pnwmom May 2015 #164

It "might" not be the only reason...? FlatBaroque May 2015 #222

It would never have gotten to SCOTUS if 1% of Nader voters picked Gore instead. pnwmom May 2015 #249

You have FlatBaroque May 2015 #262

300,000+ Florida Democrats voted for Bush. SMC22307 May 2015 #307

And each of them was responsible for 1 vote. Nader controlled 95,000 votes in Florida alone, pnwmom May 2015 #310

This is so lame tennstar May 2015 #382

You realize Bush got 10x more votes from registered Democrats than Nader did, right? jeff47 May 2015 #269

Most of them had left the party during the Reagan years. pnwmom May 2015 #314

So now your argument is it didn't matter, but it did matter. jeff47 May 2015 #329

And just mayber... Paka May 2015 #351

And if 0.03% of the 300K Dem voters who voted for Bush in Florida had voted for Gore-- eridani May 2015 #340

HE didn't lose. He won. FlatBaroque May 2015 #254

Nader's 95,000 votes caused the election to be thrown to the SCOTUS. If only a small fraction pnwmom May 2015 #332

This fucking bullshit yet again?! TM99 May 2015 #342

Exactly. Bush actually campaigned on war with Iraq. KMOD May 2015 #208

Bush most definitely did NOT campaign on a war with Iraq. FlatBaroque May 2015 #267

Oh c'mon. I remember the debates quite well. KMOD May 2015 #287

Thanks for the laugh FlatBaroque May 2015 #291

It's mutual, KMOD May 2015 #296

You're not still trotting out that old canard (that Nader was responsible KingCharlemagne May 2015 #330

Ralph Nader ran as an Independent. Please study up before you make silly comparisons. NYC_SKP May 2015 #355

You expect their rhetoric to be different then any other time? Rex May 2015 #362

considering unlike raplh DonCoquixote May 2015 #196

Nope the GOP feels like you do. that he can't win zeemike May 2015 #119

I am a thinking adult thank you very much. hrmjustin May 2015 #122

That is what she is expected to raise and spend. zeemike May 2015 #157

And after 20 years of so called scandal she is on track to be the president of the USA. hrmjustin May 2015 #166

Do they now? zeemike May 2015 #188

How is sanders going to win? hrmjustin May 2015 #189

By getting votes. zeemike May 2015 #204

How are people going to hear about his positions? hrmjustin May 2015 #209

Well they are hearing about them now are they not? zeemike May 2015 #237

The money is needed for comercials and gotv. hrmjustin May 2015 #241

Well I am not trying to convince you zeemike May 2015 #315

And endurance and Hillary has endurance. hrmjustin May 2015 #317

he seems to be getting heard, even while being shut out by the media. From the NY Times: FlatBaroque May 2015 #288

Yet he is still behind in the polls. hrmjustin May 2015 #289

You're right. He should give up now. FlatBaroque May 2015 #292

Lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #293

Sanders will get the Democratic base tiredtoo May 2015 #380

How will he get his message out without big money? hrmjustin May 2015 #381

it is going viral tiredtoo May 2015 #407

Realistic and it won't work. hrmjustin May 2015 #408

Just curious tiredtoo May 2015 #422

Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #423

Well I Admire your loyalty tiredtoo May 2015 #424

No i didn't. i liked him but i wanted Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #425

Well then tiredtoo May 2015 #426

Thats fine. hrmjustin May 2015 #427

20 years of non-scandals that everyone is sick of. KMOD May 2015 #202

They don't have to buy it. zeemike May 2015 #220

Her campaign is doing just fine. KMOD May 2015 #257

Good he can beat them like a drum too. hootinholler May 2015 #150

How will he beat them if he won't take big money? hrmjustin May 2015 #152

Like. A. Drum. That's how. hootinholler May 2015 #153

Explain that to those of us that need a more detailed answer please. hrmjustin May 2015 #162

Ok, maybe a video will help hootinholler May 2015 #177

You have a lovely night. hrmjustin May 2015 #180

lol FlatBaroque May 2015 #247

I liked the stick work hootinholler May 2015 #336

That should be a stand alone OP in our group. Autumn May 2015 #352

I love Bernie, KMOD May 2015 #263

Maybe it's not the size of the drum FlatBaroque May 2015 #272

We will see. KMOD May 2015 #285

Nope. hootinholler May 2015 #335

What's your fixation on Big Money? frylock May 2015 #409

I am a realist and i think younneed money to get your message out. hrmjustin May 2015 #410

Just like Romney and Fiorina frylock May 2015 #412

Their message sucked. people didn't like it. hrmjustin May 2015 #414

Gee, no shit? frylock May 2015 #417

My point is you need money to get your message out. hrmjustin May 2015 #418

Polls vs. hubris BainsBane May 2015 #76

Her polling is excellent. KMOD May 2015 #250

This is a rightwing talking point, what is it doing on DU? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #56

. FlatBaroque May 2015 #61

Where did you come from? Renew Deal May 2015 #193

You first FlatBaroque May 2015 #200

Spare me the hugs Renew Deal May 2015 #207

You should be commended for FlatBaroque May 2015 #216

She is a repug wet dream!! pocoloco May 2015 #371

Do you think you control more than one vote? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #90

No i get no toaster if that is what you mean. hrmjustin May 2015 #94

I don't consider "weathervane" a highly admirable character trait. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #102

One of my core principles is I will not vote for a candidate for president who is not likely to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #106

That's not principle, that's prognostication. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #109

Call it whatever you will. i am not going to vote for Sanders in a primary. hrmjustin May 2015 #110

"I have voted for Hillary 5 times and will do so again" Caretha May 2015 #132

Lol i could say something here but I won't. hrmjustin May 2015 #138

You said "Those Damn Juries!" Caretha May 2015 #143

Not at all. i love juries. hrmjustin May 2015 #149

Then be more careful Caretha May 2015 #156

Thank you for Illuminating me. hrmjustin May 2015 #167

Ha! zappaman May 2015 #172

Some might say BainsBane May 2015 #278

But a bit repetitive at times. hrmjustin May 2015 #283

Some folks get double justice BainsBane May 2015 #274

Lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #276

Sid??? Caretha May 2015 #203

Are you accusing me of being a sock? hrmjustin May 2015 #206

We are all Sid. KMOD May 2015 #217

This is just too funny. hrmjustin May 2015 #225

Me, too! Me, too! okasha May 2015 #280

Yes. We are KMOD May 2015 #284

LOL Caretha May 2015 #224

I have a fan club? hrmjustin May 2015 #226

Actually Caretha May 2015 #228

Do tell me what skinner says about my being sid. hrmjustin May 2015 #231

Uh... Caretha May 2015 #235

I already know who i am. hrmjustin May 2015 #239

I have a suggestion for you too Caretha May 2015 #248

. hrmjustin May 2015 #251

I'm a fan. KMOD May 2015 #245

Thanks. hrmjustin May 2015 #246

I'm in your fan club! BainsBane May 2015 #319

Thanks. hrmjustin May 2015 #320

I don't see why you waste your time BainsBane May 2015 #322

Well if they respond to me i feel i should respond back but tonight was a lot. hrmjustin May 2015 #325

Look BainsBane May 2015 #328

Sid is in the basement working in the server room. KMOD May 2015 #215

But but but but Caretha May 2015 #218

Your illumination of issues is just fascinating. hrmjustin May 2015 #221

Lol! zappaman May 2015 #333

Your post is funny. KMOD May 2015 #265

So you're not voting. Republicans are picking their candidate with Hillary, much Exilednight May 2015 #100

I am sorry but i am not getting your meaning. hrmjustin May 2015 #101

And what makes you think Sanders is such a loser, vs. the Republicans? Scootaloo May 2015 #123

He will have a hard time getting centrists to vote for him imo. hrmjustin May 2015 #126

Are you claiming that the Republicans play better to centrists than Sanders? Scootaloo May 2015 #133

No i am saying Hillary will. hrmjustin May 2015 #144

No. You're telling me that republicans are too awesome for Sanders to beat. Scootaloo May 2015 #176

Thats crap and you know it. hrmjustin May 2015 #179

No, it's not. it's your argument. Let's take your points Scootaloo May 2015 #198

I don't think they have anything over him. hrmjustin May 2015 #201

They're not especially legitimate concerns Scootaloo May 2015 #230

I think centrists like comprimise. hrmjustin May 2015 #236

Can you see centrist dems jumping for any of those clowns like they did for Bush in '00? Scootaloo May 2015 #252

Well this primary will be a chance to prove he can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #255

Sensible Centrists... always the problem. SMC22307 May 2015 #234

Well you need centrists to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #238

Please explain why Bernie's message doesn't resonate with Centrists. SMC22307 May 2015 #243

Well not a centrist but i think they like compromise. hrmjustin May 2015 #244

Are Centrists principled? Do they stand for anything? SMC22307 May 2015 #297

I am not a centrist so you would have to ask them. hrmjustin May 2015 #300

no, you need independants to win. independants aren't necessarily centrists. frylock May 2015 #256

Some are centrists and yes you do need them. hrmjustin May 2015 #258

Actually, no. Almost none are centrists. jeff47 May 2015 #275

The Sanders needs to prove himself. hrmjustin May 2015 #279

So, time to abandon that argument and throw up another failed argument? jeff47 May 2015 #298

Sorry but Sanders has not been tested by Republicans electorally like he will be in a general. hrmjustin May 2015 #302

Neither has Clinton. So why do you only demand proof from Sanders? (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #311

Hillary has been tested by every Republican mear and is still here. hrmjustin May 2015 #313

Tested how? By losing the 2008 primary? jeff47 May 2015 #331

living in ny i can tell you 2000 was not simple. hrmjustin May 2015 #346

Yes, 2000 was simple. Her Republican opponent was a cakewalk. jeff47 May 2015 #399

Do you live in NY? hrmjustin May 2015 #400

I used to. jeff47 May 2015 #401

Well as someone who was involved in campaigning for hef that year I can tell you it hrmjustin May 2015 #402

Never claimed it was zero work. I claimed it wasn't a difficult challenge. jeff47 May 2015 #403

And i can tell you it was difficult. hrmjustin May 2015 #404

Not only is he a socialist.... PosterChild May 2015 #210

Not only is that a non-sequitor.... Scootaloo May 2015 #233

'tis not.. PosterChild May 2015 #316

That's why I'm supporting Bernie. His chances of winning are imo, far greater than Hillary's. sabrina 1 May 2015 #124

I don't see him winning the centrist vote. hrmjustin May 2015 #127

Then you see the Republican getting the centrist vote? Makes sense, Reagan Democrats and all. /nt Dragonfli May 2015 #194

It is possible he could but the question is if he won't take big money how will he get his message hrmjustin May 2015 #197

We were talking about the centrist vote that you said he could not get, meaning you appear to think Dragonfli May 2015 #211

Don't mistake my meaning. i don't think their message will be stronger but without hrmjustin May 2015 #214

Democrats have lost time and again chasing that mythical centrist vote. frylock May 2015 #259

Clinton and Obama won centrists. hrmjustin May 2015 #261

I believe that you continue to conflate independants with centrists.. frylock May 2015 #268

They define themselves as middle of the roaders.moderstes. hrmjustin May 2015 #270

So that mush in the middle will vote for the Republican? (n/t) SMC22307 May 2015 #308

depends. If he hax enough money to get his message out then he might 7ght. hrmjustin May 2015 #312

Who are these "centrists" and what is it you think they want? Compromise isn't much of an answer TheKentuckian May 2015 #341

I think they want both parties to comprise on legislation on different topics. hrmjustin May 2015 #345

Again, compromise is a tactic to reach an acceptable end, it is not and cannot be an end. TheKentuckian May 2015 #420

I am not advocating for compromise but giving an opinion on what I think centrists want. hrmjustin May 2015 #421

"centrists" are the third party. It's the party of the 1%. It's the party that joins both... L0oniX May 2015 #348

I'm waiting to see a poll that supports that view. KMOD May 2015 #223

So to you, WINNING is EVERYthing? 99th_Monkey May 2015 #389

Yes! If we lose the country goes down with the gop and they replace the aging SC justices hrmjustin May 2015 #390

For now, that is totally irrelevant. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #391

Hint:Primaries are about getting our best candidate. hrmjustin May 2015 #392

Then why settle for 2nd best? 99th_Monkey May 2015 #393

I'm not. She is my first choice. hrmjustin May 2015 #395

OK 99th_Monkey May 2015 #396

. hrmjustin May 2015 #397

Almost 10 years. nt Andy823 May 2015 #147

Sorry Manny MaggieD May 2015 #357

+1,000,000 yeoman6987 May 2015 #60

. hrmjustin May 2015 #66

Justin~ sheshe2 May 2015 #170

Thank you She! hrmjustin May 2015 #173

Well~ sheshe2 May 2015 #183

This is just fine my friend. hrmjustin May 2015 #187

So, are you blown away that Bernie MannyGoldstein May 2015 #277

He hasn't been especially vocal about it MaggieD May 2015 #358

actually he has, but as YOU have noted several times, HRC has a much cali May 2015 #361

Cali, the GLBT community loves HRC MaggieD May 2015 #368

No. hrmjustin May 2015 #372

you got it, right up to the point where he isnt the candidate, if that happens, then I will randys1 May 2015 #3

Wouldn't social progress be a first female president? JaneyVee May 2015 #4

Thread win! hrmjustin May 2015 #6

And the first Jewish President would be chopped liver? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #8

So you're backing Debbie Wasserman Schultz as a two-fer? Jim Lane May 2015 #38

Hmm... MannyGoldstein May 2015 #39

It would be ignorant to TM99 May 2015 #11

It would be more ignorant to choose a lesser qualified candidate because he is a man. Thinkingabout May 2015 #24

17 years! nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #27

It does not make him more qualified. Just being a member of Thinkingabout May 2015 #47

What *does* make Hillary more qualified? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #48

Oh, really, we sure can't say Bernie is even qualified to teach Saddam a lesson. Thinkingabout May 2015 #62

Well he is off the planet. yeoman6987 May 2015 #65

Sanders voted to fund the war. okasha May 2015 #295

Just being first lady and a senator and SoS doesn't make one qualified or not qualified cali May 2015 #363

Either you can look at the record for both or exclude the record for both. Thinkingabout May 2015 #385

She's been a much more vocal advocate MaggieD May 2015 #364

Now you know some do not want to hear these things,huh. Thinkingabout May 2015 #416

Except the man currently running TM99 May 2015 #46

Perhaps in your opinion, in my opinion he does not have the qualifications Thinkingabout May 2015 #51

If we stay on topic with this OP, TM99 May 2015 #69

He is not acceptable on other issues so what does it matter. Thinkingabout May 2015 #111

What other issues is he not acceptable on? TM99 May 2015 #146

Then the only reason you are pushing for Bernie is because hevhas not "evolved" on the LGBT issue, Thinkingabout May 2015 #199

The only reason? Ha! TM99 May 2015 #205

When are you going to evolve on people "evolving"? Thinkingabout May 2015 #213

This is a typical Clinton supporter response. TM99 May 2015 #273

You can't answer, is it because you will never evolve? Talk about evading the question. Thinkingabout May 2015 #318

Real human beings change & grow. TM99 May 2015 #327

I have not seen where you have expressed remorse. Can you accept the fact some have evolved without Thinkingabout May 2015 #413

Done playing your game. TM99 May 2015 #430

I see you think it is a game, perhaps others does not, continual denial does not change the facts. Thinkingabout May 2015 #431

You are the one playing a very sad game. TM99 May 2015 #432

See, you are not pleased with opinions changing, never happy, you should try being happy for a Thinkingabout May 2015 #433

Can you please answer the question? Kermitt Gribble May 2015 #388

I do not agree with the social issues and am apprehensive on his national security for two things Thinkingabout May 2015 #415

NO ONE here is voting for Sanders because he's a man tkmorris May 2015 #82

What? malokvale77 May 2015 #99

omg -- here comes the "you're sexist if you don't vote for Hillary" thematics. nashville_brook May 2015 #175

Don't attempt to rewrite my post, I posted what I posted. Whatever you say is what you say. Thinkingabout May 2015 #195

cough, cough, bullshit cali May 2015 #334

Obama isn't running. Thinkingabout May 2015 #411

It is ignorant to choose a lesser qualified candidate based on their gender or their race. Autumn May 2015 #353

^^^ this ^^^ (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #89

No more and no less ignorant than choosing a candidate simply because they arrived at a common LanternWaste May 2015 #356

Here is the deal that so many of y'all don't get. TM99 May 2015 #429

Not necessarily. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #12

Would you say the same if it was Carly Fiorina? Bachman? n/t leftstreet May 2015 #15

Being male or female does not qualify one to be president, we have used the male thing on the past Thinkingabout May 2015 #107

I sit home and bake cookies. SMC22307 May 2015 #321

why wouldn't electing the first Jewish President be social progress? cali May 2015 #16

because according to the privilege-o-matic, Jews are MORE privileged than Christians, even. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #26

Good thing I'm tall. JEB May 2015 #55

Oh my god! I am non privileged. Who knew. yeoman6987 May 2015 #70

Keep saying that and maybe Hillary Clinton will convert. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #130

If she was a "progressive" Caretha May 2015 #137

How do you equate Caretha May 2015 #154

I will stand with Hillary, thank you. leftofcool May 2015 #7

you mean, Sanders supported it when it was unpopular while Hillary waited until cali May 2015 #18

+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #114

If economic equality is achieved social progress will follow tularetom May 2015 #9

Well, in that case, Hillary's your candidate. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #13

I wish you'd tell that to them people at the HRC group tularetom May 2015 #50

Well, you have to understand: Hillary's most Republican-like policies are Economic Maedhros May 2015 #73

It is for HRC supporters only. hrmjustin May 2015 #74

Any attempt by me to intercede with that group MannyGoldstein May 2015 #384

I don't think she's "for" economic equality. Phlem May 2015 #383

Not true ... for the 4,000,000th time ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #67

So true! sheshe2 May 2015 #185

I guess I should have qualified that with ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #232

Complete and utter bullshit. F4lconF16 May 2015 #87

We have had periods of much greater economic equality gollygee May 2015 #266

absolutely. and a man who fought for civil rights for African Americans cali May 2015 #10

I think the idea that the triangulation wing of the Democratic Party is supposed to be BETTER on Warren DeMontague May 2015 #14

Look fella, we have a big tent MannyGoldstein May 2015 #17

I told them to stay off the moors Warren DeMontague May 2015 #23

Yep. HRC vs. Bernie on social/human rights issues is pretty much a push. hifiguy May 2015 #25

I think it's worth noting that only one of them had to "evolve" their position. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #31

Oh, I am very aware of that. hifiguy May 2015 #36

17 years? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #33

Only if you give equal credit to leading from behind as you do for being well ahead of the curve. TheKentuckian May 2015 #41

I don't but will give her partial credit hifiguy May 2015 #43

I agree 100%, the phrasing kinda gave me a different vibe. TheKentuckian May 2015 #92

Spot on. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #95

Except even that doesn't have a good basis in facts. jeff47 May 2015 #294

Well at the very least Bill Clinton was the doc in the ER when the very sick man miraculously came Warren DeMontague May 2015 #323

Bernie is excellent on both, while Hillary is good on only one. Maedhros May 2015 #19

In the absence of economic progress, social progress is fragile. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #20

They are equally important and hifiguy May 2015 #21

So which one is Hillary apposed to? upaloopa May 2015 #22

Bernie doesn't count the likes of Dimon and Blankfein hifiguy May 2015 #28

They are interdependent... kentuck May 2015 #29

Economic progress IS social progress. -none May 2015 #32

They have to be tackled at the same time, but sadoldgirl May 2015 #37

Manny, Manny, Manny, do you believe that arm growth is as important as leg growth? nt valerief May 2015 #40

I believe in anything that Karl Rove tells me to believe. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #42

You mean Cruel Rogue. nt valerief May 2015 #45

Good for you Manny Andy823 May 2015 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers May 2015 #44

Said the guy that wrote ... then, self-deleted ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #53

That, my friend, is utter bull@#$%. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #58

"You know when I *know* our teenager's up to no good? ..." ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #72

Still got nothin' but innuendo, I see MannyGoldstein May 2015 #75

I can't produce what you self-deleted ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #77

My chicken and watermelon joke? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #80

Will you pull your ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #85

LOL MannyGoldstein May 2015 #86

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #93

So pull over then. They take just as dim a view of those who read while driving too. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #139

No, there's nothing ironic in that he typed MannyGoldstein May 2015 #282

Your mocking POC for being over sensitive about watermelon jokes..... bettyellen May 2015 #142

Here you are ... for the 5th time ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #190

That doesn't even link to a post of mine. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #191

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #227

I used to run from my statements too... LanternWaste May 2015 #359

+1...nt SidDithers May 2015 #71

I love how Bernie has put an end to the argument pnwmom May 2015 #54

He also put an end to the hair thing and the clothing thing, KMOD May 2015 #271

Well, for Clinton. People still attack him for it. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #301

I don't. KMOD May 2015 #303

Yeah, well where was he in 1997? rug May 2015 #59

I find it interesting that Clinton is particularly popular among the LGBT community BainsBane May 2015 #68

I think she's particularly popular among Democrats in general, and certainly most Democrats Warren DeMontague May 2015 #79

I can think of a few BainsBane May 2015 #84

I think your narrative doesn't really line up with reality, frankly. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #97

Excuse me, but you don't determine my reality BainsBane May 2015 #219

that's right. And you don't determine what I think, either. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #306

I have no interest in changing your head BainsBane May 2015 #324

Meh. I have children. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #326

"You know, somebody is always first," Clinton told NPR's Terry Gross last summer.... SidDithers May 2015 #78

So, basically, "It's OK to think the LGBT community is inferior MannyGoldstein May 2015 #83

So did Sanders think we were inferior before he came out for marriage equality? hrmjustin May 2015 #98

Was Bernie ever against marriage equality? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #104

You said he was for it 17 years correct? hrmjustin May 2015 #112

The earliest record that I know of is voting against DOMA MannyGoldstein May 2015 #116

Ok well if he came out for it 17 years ago or so it has to mean before hand his opinion evolved hrmjustin May 2015 #118

Why? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #121

Are you saying then that he felt it was right but for political reasons kept his mouth shut? hrmjustin May 2015 #125

Ha! zappaman May 2015 #131

. hrmjustin May 2015 #134

Did anyone ask? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #140

If he was so cocommitted to marriage equality he would not need to be asked! hrmjustin May 2015 #145

Well, can we at agree that at the very worst, Bernie was probably MannyGoldstein May 2015 #151

No we agree that 17 years ago he came out for it. hrmjustin May 2015 #160

What percentage of Americans embraced marriage equality 19 years ago? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #165

maybe 25 to 35 percent. why? hrmjustin May 2015 #168

That high? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #174

It was a guess. lets assume 25 percent for the sake of tbis discussion. hrmjustin May 2015 #178

Is that really where you are going to hang your hat? (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #169

No. hrmjustin May 2015 #171

No? malokvale77 May 2015 #181

Perhaps you should bit clearer about your meaning. hrmjustin May 2015 #182

There was no riddle. (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #184

You have a lovely night. hrmjustin May 2015 #186

I'm sorry, but waiting until the polls say it's okay, is not a badge of honor. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #159

I like to rec Bernie Sanders threads at DU. nt PufPuf23 May 2015 #81

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #103

.... 840high May 2015 #128

Social progress is useless in an economically conservative environment DJ13 May 2015 #108

Only if you're a white man is that actually true. bettyellen May 2015 #136

Problem for me is... malokvale77 May 2015 #117

Truth to me. 840high May 2015 #129

I join you. 840high May 2015 #120

this thread... quickesst May 2015 #135

Bullshit. RiffRandell May 2015 #163

please re-read... quickesst May 2015 #304

The irony here is the idea that longevity of a position treestar May 2015 #339

What accomplishments does Sanders have on equality and LGBT issues? Renew Deal May 2015 #192

Compared to Hillary? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #212

That's hardly an accomplishment. Renew Deal May 2015 #229

But what greater accomplishment does Hillary have? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #242

The only way Bernie beats Clinton in the primary ... JoePhilly May 2015 #240

Anyone will beat the Republican jeff47 May 2015 #309

I agree with most of the math ... JoePhilly May 2015 #344

Good point. Trashing Hillary at every opportunity is hardly likely treestar May 2015 #337

Thank you, Manny KMOD May 2015 #281

"finally admitting"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #286

I haven't heard you voice such loud opinion on social issues before. KMOD May 2015 #290

There's a lot of Douglas Adams in this thread. GoneOffShore May 2015 #299

I don't really care treestar May 2015 #338

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #343

Are you opposed to Hillarys stance on the issue? nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #349

By your own metric, wouldn't this put Warren well behind Clinton if Warren were to enter the race. NCTraveler May 2015 #350

Nice that we have TWO candidates that.... MaggieD May 2015 #354

As a gay man I trust Hillary on LGBT issues. hrmjustin May 2015 #360

I feel the same MaggieD May 2015 #365

. Rex May 2015 #366

As the rec count climbs the personal attacks become ever more frenzied Fumesucker May 2015 #367

Well if there is one thing GLBT people love.... MaggieD May 2015 #369

There are leaders and there are followers Fumesucker May 2015 #373

Bernie has not been a leader on this issue MaggieD May 2015 #376

Oh no doubt, just wondering if MG ever gets tired of it since he should already Rex May 2015 #405

I know the outcome of a lot of my posts these days as I'm sure you do your own Fumesucker May 2015 #419

Just making a point MannyGoldstein May 2015 #406

How many years is Hillary ahead of any one from the (R) clown car? LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #374

It's really ridiculous at this point MaggieD May 2015 #377

And obvious. n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #386

+1 zappaman May 2015 #378

Oh...go hug a tree or something, you hippie! randome May 2015 #387

Yep, this thread is just another Bobbie Jo May 2015 #394

I'm with Bernie all the way, I've donated twice, and will campaign for him.. but I will pull the secondwind May 2015 #398

No Doubt, I've never voted for a Republican . But DOUBT filled my orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #434

Ahead of the loop in many ways . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #428

kick woo me with science May 2015 #435