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373. There are leaders and there are followers

Tue May 19, 2015, 11:44 AM

May 2015

On gay rights it's clear which candidate is the leader, morally ahead of public opinion by a decade or more and which the follower, waiting for the safety of numbers before expressing support.

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At least 17 years! [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

As a proud gay man I stand with Hillary Clinton! hrmjustin May 2015 #1

17 years. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #2

I will only vote for a candidate I believe can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #5

Then why support Hillary Clinton? FlatBaroque May 2015 #30

Lol your opinion. My opinion is she is the only Democratic Candidate or possible Democratic hrmjustin May 2015 #34

But she's won many tough fights MannyGoldstein May 2015 #35

She endured Bosnian sniper fire, for starters RufusTFirefly May 2015 #91

I love you. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #96

Just as long as Mrs. Teasdale doesn't find out! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #105

Quit picking on her. She was telling the truth about being under fire in Bosnia Jackpine Radical May 2015 #158

You got those right wing talking points MaggieD May 2015 #370

Busted! You got me! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #375

Haha thread win! whatchamacallit May 2015 #379

There was the Credit Card and small peon bankruptcy legislation. Octafish May 2015 #305

She polls better than any other candidate -- Democrat or Republican. pnwmom May 2015 #49

Lol I wonder if Sanders supporters realize the gop wants him to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #52

The GOP likes him as a spoiler, just as they did Ralph. pnwmom May 2015 #57

Probably not because it would hurt him with some of the purists. hrmjustin May 2015 #63

Ralph? daleanime May 2015 #64

Nader. n/t pnwmom May 2015 #88

It's what I would expect from a republican.... daleanime May 2015 #264

+1 ...and we have a third pary now ...the 1%. L0oniX May 2015 #347

Barry? KMOD May 2015 #253

When Obama first started his campaign for president..... daleanime May 2015 #260

At least Bernie doesn't have the blood of 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilians KingCharlemagne May 2015 #113

True. We can thank Ralph for helping to toss the election to Bush, pnwmom May 2015 #115

Actually you can than Al rpannier May 2015 #148

And yet if 1% of Nader's 95,000 votes in Florida had gone to Gore, pnwmom May 2015 #155

Florida is always the thing that is pointed to rpannier May 2015 #161

It might not be the only reason Gore lost -- but he would have WON if 1% of Nader's voters pnwmom May 2015 #164

It "might" not be the only reason...? FlatBaroque May 2015 #222

It would never have gotten to SCOTUS if 1% of Nader voters picked Gore instead. pnwmom May 2015 #249

You have FlatBaroque May 2015 #262

300,000+ Florida Democrats voted for Bush. SMC22307 May 2015 #307

And each of them was responsible for 1 vote. Nader controlled 95,000 votes in Florida alone, pnwmom May 2015 #310

This is so lame tennstar May 2015 #382

You realize Bush got 10x more votes from registered Democrats than Nader did, right? jeff47 May 2015 #269

Most of them had left the party during the Reagan years. pnwmom May 2015 #314

So now your argument is it didn't matter, but it did matter. jeff47 May 2015 #329

And just mayber... Paka May 2015 #351

And if 0.03% of the 300K Dem voters who voted for Bush in Florida had voted for Gore-- eridani May 2015 #340

HE didn't lose. He won. FlatBaroque May 2015 #254

Nader's 95,000 votes caused the election to be thrown to the SCOTUS. If only a small fraction pnwmom May 2015 #332

This fucking bullshit yet again?! TM99 May 2015 #342

Exactly. Bush actually campaigned on war with Iraq. KMOD May 2015 #208

Bush most definitely did NOT campaign on a war with Iraq. FlatBaroque May 2015 #267

Oh c'mon. I remember the debates quite well. KMOD May 2015 #287

Thanks for the laugh FlatBaroque May 2015 #291

It's mutual, KMOD May 2015 #296

You're not still trotting out that old canard (that Nader was responsible KingCharlemagne May 2015 #330

Ralph Nader ran as an Independent. Please study up before you make silly comparisons. NYC_SKP May 2015 #355

You expect their rhetoric to be different then any other time? Rex May 2015 #362

considering unlike raplh DonCoquixote May 2015 #196

Nope the GOP feels like you do. that he can't win zeemike May 2015 #119

I am a thinking adult thank you very much. hrmjustin May 2015 #122

That is what she is expected to raise and spend. zeemike May 2015 #157

And after 20 years of so called scandal she is on track to be the president of the USA. hrmjustin May 2015 #166

Do they now? zeemike May 2015 #188

How is sanders going to win? hrmjustin May 2015 #189

By getting votes. zeemike May 2015 #204

How are people going to hear about his positions? hrmjustin May 2015 #209

Well they are hearing about them now are they not? zeemike May 2015 #237

The money is needed for comercials and gotv. hrmjustin May 2015 #241

Well I am not trying to convince you zeemike May 2015 #315

And endurance and Hillary has endurance. hrmjustin May 2015 #317

he seems to be getting heard, even while being shut out by the media. From the NY Times: FlatBaroque May 2015 #288

Yet he is still behind in the polls. hrmjustin May 2015 #289

You're right. He should give up now. FlatBaroque May 2015 #292

Lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #293

Sanders will get the Democratic base tiredtoo May 2015 #380

How will he get his message out without big money? hrmjustin May 2015 #381

it is going viral tiredtoo May 2015 #407

Realistic and it won't work. hrmjustin May 2015 #408

Just curious tiredtoo May 2015 #422

Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #423

Well I Admire your loyalty tiredtoo May 2015 #424

No i didn't. i liked him but i wanted Hillary. hrmjustin May 2015 #425

Well then tiredtoo May 2015 #426

Thats fine. hrmjustin May 2015 #427

20 years of non-scandals that everyone is sick of. KMOD May 2015 #202

They don't have to buy it. zeemike May 2015 #220

Her campaign is doing just fine. KMOD May 2015 #257

Good he can beat them like a drum too. hootinholler May 2015 #150

How will he beat them if he won't take big money? hrmjustin May 2015 #152

Like. A. Drum. That's how. hootinholler May 2015 #153

Explain that to those of us that need a more detailed answer please. hrmjustin May 2015 #162

Ok, maybe a video will help hootinholler May 2015 #177

You have a lovely night. hrmjustin May 2015 #180

lol FlatBaroque May 2015 #247

I liked the stick work hootinholler May 2015 #336

That should be a stand alone OP in our group. Autumn May 2015 #352

I love Bernie, KMOD May 2015 #263

Maybe it's not the size of the drum FlatBaroque May 2015 #272

We will see. KMOD May 2015 #285

Nope. hootinholler May 2015 #335

What's your fixation on Big Money? frylock May 2015 #409

I am a realist and i think younneed money to get your message out. hrmjustin May 2015 #410

Just like Romney and Fiorina frylock May 2015 #412

Their message sucked. people didn't like it. hrmjustin May 2015 #414

Gee, no shit? frylock May 2015 #417

My point is you need money to get your message out. hrmjustin May 2015 #418

Polls vs. hubris BainsBane May 2015 #76

Her polling is excellent. KMOD May 2015 #250

This is a rightwing talking point, what is it doing on DU? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #56

. FlatBaroque May 2015 #61

Where did you come from? Renew Deal May 2015 #193

You first FlatBaroque May 2015 #200

Spare me the hugs Renew Deal May 2015 #207

You should be commended for FlatBaroque May 2015 #216

She is a repug wet dream!! pocoloco May 2015 #371

Do you think you control more than one vote? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #90

No i get no toaster if that is what you mean. hrmjustin May 2015 #94

I don't consider "weathervane" a highly admirable character trait. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #102

One of my core principles is I will not vote for a candidate for president who is not likely to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #106

That's not principle, that's prognostication. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #109

Call it whatever you will. i am not going to vote for Sanders in a primary. hrmjustin May 2015 #110

"I have voted for Hillary 5 times and will do so again" Caretha May 2015 #132

Lol i could say something here but I won't. hrmjustin May 2015 #138

You said "Those Damn Juries!" Caretha May 2015 #143

Not at all. i love juries. hrmjustin May 2015 #149

Then be more careful Caretha May 2015 #156

Thank you for Illuminating me. hrmjustin May 2015 #167

Ha! zappaman May 2015 #172

Some might say BainsBane May 2015 #278

But a bit repetitive at times. hrmjustin May 2015 #283

Some folks get double justice BainsBane May 2015 #274

Lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #276

Sid??? Caretha May 2015 #203

Are you accusing me of being a sock? hrmjustin May 2015 #206

We are all Sid. KMOD May 2015 #217

This is just too funny. hrmjustin May 2015 #225

Me, too! Me, too! okasha May 2015 #280

Yes. We are KMOD May 2015 #284

LOL Caretha May 2015 #224

I have a fan club? hrmjustin May 2015 #226

Actually Caretha May 2015 #228

Do tell me what skinner says about my being sid. hrmjustin May 2015 #231

Uh... Caretha May 2015 #235

I already know who i am. hrmjustin May 2015 #239

I have a suggestion for you too Caretha May 2015 #248

. hrmjustin May 2015 #251

I'm a fan. KMOD May 2015 #245

Thanks. hrmjustin May 2015 #246

I'm in your fan club! BainsBane May 2015 #319

Thanks. hrmjustin May 2015 #320

I don't see why you waste your time BainsBane May 2015 #322

Well if they respond to me i feel i should respond back but tonight was a lot. hrmjustin May 2015 #325

Look BainsBane May 2015 #328

Sid is in the basement working in the server room. KMOD May 2015 #215

But but but but Caretha May 2015 #218

Your illumination of issues is just fascinating. hrmjustin May 2015 #221

Lol! zappaman May 2015 #333

Your post is funny. KMOD May 2015 #265

So you're not voting. Republicans are picking their candidate with Hillary, much Exilednight May 2015 #100

I am sorry but i am not getting your meaning. hrmjustin May 2015 #101

And what makes you think Sanders is such a loser, vs. the Republicans? Scootaloo May 2015 #123

He will have a hard time getting centrists to vote for him imo. hrmjustin May 2015 #126

Are you claiming that the Republicans play better to centrists than Sanders? Scootaloo May 2015 #133

No i am saying Hillary will. hrmjustin May 2015 #144

No. You're telling me that republicans are too awesome for Sanders to beat. Scootaloo May 2015 #176

Thats crap and you know it. hrmjustin May 2015 #179

No, it's not. it's your argument. Let's take your points Scootaloo May 2015 #198

I don't think they have anything over him. hrmjustin May 2015 #201

They're not especially legitimate concerns Scootaloo May 2015 #230

I think centrists like comprimise. hrmjustin May 2015 #236

Can you see centrist dems jumping for any of those clowns like they did for Bush in '00? Scootaloo May 2015 #252

Well this primary will be a chance to prove he can win. hrmjustin May 2015 #255

Sensible Centrists... always the problem. SMC22307 May 2015 #234

Well you need centrists to win. hrmjustin May 2015 #238

Please explain why Bernie's message doesn't resonate with Centrists. SMC22307 May 2015 #243

Well not a centrist but i think they like compromise. hrmjustin May 2015 #244

Are Centrists principled? Do they stand for anything? SMC22307 May 2015 #297

I am not a centrist so you would have to ask them. hrmjustin May 2015 #300

no, you need independants to win. independants aren't necessarily centrists. frylock May 2015 #256

Some are centrists and yes you do need them. hrmjustin May 2015 #258

Actually, no. Almost none are centrists. jeff47 May 2015 #275

The Sanders needs to prove himself. hrmjustin May 2015 #279

So, time to abandon that argument and throw up another failed argument? jeff47 May 2015 #298

Sorry but Sanders has not been tested by Republicans electorally like he will be in a general. hrmjustin May 2015 #302

Neither has Clinton. So why do you only demand proof from Sanders? (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #311

Hillary has been tested by every Republican mear and is still here. hrmjustin May 2015 #313

Tested how? By losing the 2008 primary? jeff47 May 2015 #331

living in ny i can tell you 2000 was not simple. hrmjustin May 2015 #346

Yes, 2000 was simple. Her Republican opponent was a cakewalk. jeff47 May 2015 #399

Do you live in NY? hrmjustin May 2015 #400

I used to. jeff47 May 2015 #401

Well as someone who was involved in campaigning for hef that year I can tell you it hrmjustin May 2015 #402

Never claimed it was zero work. I claimed it wasn't a difficult challenge. jeff47 May 2015 #403

And i can tell you it was difficult. hrmjustin May 2015 #404

Not only is he a socialist.... PosterChild May 2015 #210

Not only is that a non-sequitor.... Scootaloo May 2015 #233

'tis not.. PosterChild May 2015 #316

That's why I'm supporting Bernie. His chances of winning are imo, far greater than Hillary's. sabrina 1 May 2015 #124

I don't see him winning the centrist vote. hrmjustin May 2015 #127

Then you see the Republican getting the centrist vote? Makes sense, Reagan Democrats and all. /nt Dragonfli May 2015 #194

It is possible he could but the question is if he won't take big money how will he get his message hrmjustin May 2015 #197

We were talking about the centrist vote that you said he could not get, meaning you appear to think Dragonfli May 2015 #211

Don't mistake my meaning. i don't think their message will be stronger but without hrmjustin May 2015 #214

Democrats have lost time and again chasing that mythical centrist vote. frylock May 2015 #259

Clinton and Obama won centrists. hrmjustin May 2015 #261

I believe that you continue to conflate independants with centrists.. frylock May 2015 #268

They define themselves as middle of the roaders.moderstes. hrmjustin May 2015 #270

So that mush in the middle will vote for the Republican? (n/t) SMC22307 May 2015 #308

depends. If he hax enough money to get his message out then he might 7ght. hrmjustin May 2015 #312

Who are these "centrists" and what is it you think they want? Compromise isn't much of an answer TheKentuckian May 2015 #341

I think they want both parties to comprise on legislation on different topics. hrmjustin May 2015 #345

Again, compromise is a tactic to reach an acceptable end, it is not and cannot be an end. TheKentuckian May 2015 #420

I am not advocating for compromise but giving an opinion on what I think centrists want. hrmjustin May 2015 #421

"centrists" are the third party. It's the party of the 1%. It's the party that joins both... L0oniX May 2015 #348

I'm waiting to see a poll that supports that view. KMOD May 2015 #223

So to you, WINNING is EVERYthing? 99th_Monkey May 2015 #389

Yes! If we lose the country goes down with the gop and they replace the aging SC justices hrmjustin May 2015 #390

For now, that is totally irrelevant. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #391

Hint:Primaries are about getting our best candidate. hrmjustin May 2015 #392

Then why settle for 2nd best? 99th_Monkey May 2015 #393

I'm not. She is my first choice. hrmjustin May 2015 #395

OK 99th_Monkey May 2015 #396

. hrmjustin May 2015 #397

Almost 10 years. nt Andy823 May 2015 #147

Sorry Manny MaggieD May 2015 #357

+1,000,000 yeoman6987 May 2015 #60

. hrmjustin May 2015 #66

Justin~ sheshe2 May 2015 #170

Thank you She! hrmjustin May 2015 #173

Well~ sheshe2 May 2015 #183

This is just fine my friend. hrmjustin May 2015 #187

So, are you blown away that Bernie MannyGoldstein May 2015 #277

He hasn't been especially vocal about it MaggieD May 2015 #358

actually he has, but as YOU have noted several times, HRC has a much cali May 2015 #361

Cali, the GLBT community loves HRC MaggieD May 2015 #368

No. hrmjustin May 2015 #372

you got it, right up to the point where he isnt the candidate, if that happens, then I will randys1 May 2015 #3

Wouldn't social progress be a first female president? JaneyVee May 2015 #4

Thread win! hrmjustin May 2015 #6

And the first Jewish President would be chopped liver? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #8

So you're backing Debbie Wasserman Schultz as a two-fer? Jim Lane May 2015 #38

Hmm... MannyGoldstein May 2015 #39

It would be ignorant to TM99 May 2015 #11

It would be more ignorant to choose a lesser qualified candidate because he is a man. Thinkingabout May 2015 #24

17 years! nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #27

It does not make him more qualified. Just being a member of Thinkingabout May 2015 #47

What *does* make Hillary more qualified? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #48

Oh, really, we sure can't say Bernie is even qualified to teach Saddam a lesson. Thinkingabout May 2015 #62

Well he is off the planet. yeoman6987 May 2015 #65

Sanders voted to fund the war. okasha May 2015 #295

Just being first lady and a senator and SoS doesn't make one qualified or not qualified cali May 2015 #363

Either you can look at the record for both or exclude the record for both. Thinkingabout May 2015 #385

She's been a much more vocal advocate MaggieD May 2015 #364

Now you know some do not want to hear these things,huh. Thinkingabout May 2015 #416

Except the man currently running TM99 May 2015 #46

Perhaps in your opinion, in my opinion he does not have the qualifications Thinkingabout May 2015 #51

If we stay on topic with this OP, TM99 May 2015 #69

He is not acceptable on other issues so what does it matter. Thinkingabout May 2015 #111

What other issues is he not acceptable on? TM99 May 2015 #146

Then the only reason you are pushing for Bernie is because hevhas not "evolved" on the LGBT issue, Thinkingabout May 2015 #199

The only reason? Ha! TM99 May 2015 #205

When are you going to evolve on people "evolving"? Thinkingabout May 2015 #213

This is a typical Clinton supporter response. TM99 May 2015 #273

You can't answer, is it because you will never evolve? Talk about evading the question. Thinkingabout May 2015 #318

Real human beings change & grow. TM99 May 2015 #327

I have not seen where you have expressed remorse. Can you accept the fact some have evolved without Thinkingabout May 2015 #413

Done playing your game. TM99 May 2015 #430

I see you think it is a game, perhaps others does not, continual denial does not change the facts. Thinkingabout May 2015 #431

You are the one playing a very sad game. TM99 May 2015 #432

See, you are not pleased with opinions changing, never happy, you should try being happy for a Thinkingabout May 2015 #433

Can you please answer the question? Kermitt Gribble May 2015 #388

I do not agree with the social issues and am apprehensive on his national security for two things Thinkingabout May 2015 #415

NO ONE here is voting for Sanders because he's a man tkmorris May 2015 #82

What? malokvale77 May 2015 #99

omg -- here comes the "you're sexist if you don't vote for Hillary" thematics. nashville_brook May 2015 #175

Don't attempt to rewrite my post, I posted what I posted. Whatever you say is what you say. Thinkingabout May 2015 #195

cough, cough, bullshit cali May 2015 #334

Obama isn't running. Thinkingabout May 2015 #411

It is ignorant to choose a lesser qualified candidate based on their gender or their race. Autumn May 2015 #353

^^^ this ^^^ (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #89

No more and no less ignorant than choosing a candidate simply because they arrived at a common LanternWaste May 2015 #356

Here is the deal that so many of y'all don't get. TM99 May 2015 #429

Not necessarily. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #12

Would you say the same if it was Carly Fiorina? Bachman? n/t leftstreet May 2015 #15

Being male or female does not qualify one to be president, we have used the male thing on the past Thinkingabout May 2015 #107

I sit home and bake cookies. SMC22307 May 2015 #321

why wouldn't electing the first Jewish President be social progress? cali May 2015 #16

because according to the privilege-o-matic, Jews are MORE privileged than Christians, even. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #26

Good thing I'm tall. JEB May 2015 #55

Oh my god! I am non privileged. Who knew. yeoman6987 May 2015 #70

Keep saying that and maybe Hillary Clinton will convert. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #130

If she was a "progressive" Caretha May 2015 #137

How do you equate Caretha May 2015 #154

I will stand with Hillary, thank you. leftofcool May 2015 #7

you mean, Sanders supported it when it was unpopular while Hillary waited until cali May 2015 #18

+1. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #114

If economic equality is achieved social progress will follow tularetom May 2015 #9

Well, in that case, Hillary's your candidate. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #13

I wish you'd tell that to them people at the HRC group tularetom May 2015 #50

Well, you have to understand: Hillary's most Republican-like policies are Economic Maedhros May 2015 #73

It is for HRC supporters only. hrmjustin May 2015 #74

Any attempt by me to intercede with that group MannyGoldstein May 2015 #384

I don't think she's "for" economic equality. Phlem May 2015 #383

Not true ... for the 4,000,000th time ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #67

So true! sheshe2 May 2015 #185

I guess I should have qualified that with ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #232

Complete and utter bullshit. F4lconF16 May 2015 #87

We have had periods of much greater economic equality gollygee May 2015 #266

absolutely. and a man who fought for civil rights for African Americans cali May 2015 #10

I think the idea that the triangulation wing of the Democratic Party is supposed to be BETTER on Warren DeMontague May 2015 #14

Look fella, we have a big tent MannyGoldstein May 2015 #17

I told them to stay off the moors Warren DeMontague May 2015 #23

Yep. HRC vs. Bernie on social/human rights issues is pretty much a push. hifiguy May 2015 #25

I think it's worth noting that only one of them had to "evolve" their position. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #31

Oh, I am very aware of that. hifiguy May 2015 #36

17 years? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #33

Only if you give equal credit to leading from behind as you do for being well ahead of the curve. TheKentuckian May 2015 #41

I don't but will give her partial credit hifiguy May 2015 #43

I agree 100%, the phrasing kinda gave me a different vibe. TheKentuckian May 2015 #92

Spot on. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #95

Except even that doesn't have a good basis in facts. jeff47 May 2015 #294

Well at the very least Bill Clinton was the doc in the ER when the very sick man miraculously came Warren DeMontague May 2015 #323

Bernie is excellent on both, while Hillary is good on only one. Maedhros May 2015 #19

In the absence of economic progress, social progress is fragile. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #20

They are equally important and hifiguy May 2015 #21

So which one is Hillary apposed to? upaloopa May 2015 #22

Bernie doesn't count the likes of Dimon and Blankfein hifiguy May 2015 #28

They are interdependent... kentuck May 2015 #29

Economic progress IS social progress. -none May 2015 #32

They have to be tackled at the same time, but sadoldgirl May 2015 #37

Manny, Manny, Manny, do you believe that arm growth is as important as leg growth? nt valerief May 2015 #40

I believe in anything that Karl Rove tells me to believe. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #42

You mean Cruel Rogue. nt valerief May 2015 #45

Good for you Manny Andy823 May 2015 #141

This message was self-deleted by its author SidDithers May 2015 #44

Said the guy that wrote ... then, self-deleted ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #53

That, my friend, is utter bull@#$%. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #58

"You know when I *know* our teenager's up to no good? ..." ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #72

Still got nothin' but innuendo, I see MannyGoldstein May 2015 #75

I can't produce what you self-deleted ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #77

My chicken and watermelon joke? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #80

Will you pull your ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #85

LOL MannyGoldstein May 2015 #86

No ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #93

So pull over then. They take just as dim a view of those who read while driving too. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #139

No, there's nothing ironic in that he typed MannyGoldstein May 2015 #282

Your mocking POC for being over sensitive about watermelon jokes..... bettyellen May 2015 #142

Here you are ... for the 5th time ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #190

That doesn't even link to a post of mine. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #191

Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #227

I used to run from my statements too... LanternWaste May 2015 #359

+1...nt SidDithers May 2015 #71

I love how Bernie has put an end to the argument pnwmom May 2015 #54

He also put an end to the hair thing and the clothing thing, KMOD May 2015 #271

Well, for Clinton. People still attack him for it. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #301

I don't. KMOD May 2015 #303

Yeah, well where was he in 1997? rug May 2015 #59

I find it interesting that Clinton is particularly popular among the LGBT community BainsBane May 2015 #68

I think she's particularly popular among Democrats in general, and certainly most Democrats Warren DeMontague May 2015 #79

I can think of a few BainsBane May 2015 #84

I think your narrative doesn't really line up with reality, frankly. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #97

Excuse me, but you don't determine my reality BainsBane May 2015 #219

that's right. And you don't determine what I think, either. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #306

I have no interest in changing your head BainsBane May 2015 #324

Meh. I have children. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #326

"You know, somebody is always first," Clinton told NPR's Terry Gross last summer.... SidDithers May 2015 #78

So, basically, "It's OK to think the LGBT community is inferior MannyGoldstein May 2015 #83

So did Sanders think we were inferior before he came out for marriage equality? hrmjustin May 2015 #98

Was Bernie ever against marriage equality? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #104

You said he was for it 17 years correct? hrmjustin May 2015 #112

The earliest record that I know of is voting against DOMA MannyGoldstein May 2015 #116

Ok well if he came out for it 17 years ago or so it has to mean before hand his opinion evolved hrmjustin May 2015 #118

Why? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #121

Are you saying then that he felt it was right but for political reasons kept his mouth shut? hrmjustin May 2015 #125

Ha! zappaman May 2015 #131

. hrmjustin May 2015 #134

Did anyone ask? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #140

If he was so cocommitted to marriage equality he would not need to be asked! hrmjustin May 2015 #145

Well, can we at agree that at the very worst, Bernie was probably MannyGoldstein May 2015 #151

No we agree that 17 years ago he came out for it. hrmjustin May 2015 #160

What percentage of Americans embraced marriage equality 19 years ago? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #165

maybe 25 to 35 percent. why? hrmjustin May 2015 #168

That high? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #174

It was a guess. lets assume 25 percent for the sake of tbis discussion. hrmjustin May 2015 #178

Is that really where you are going to hang your hat? (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #169

No. hrmjustin May 2015 #171

No? malokvale77 May 2015 #181

Perhaps you should bit clearer about your meaning. hrmjustin May 2015 #182

There was no riddle. (nt) malokvale77 May 2015 #184

You have a lovely night. hrmjustin May 2015 #186

I'm sorry, but waiting until the polls say it's okay, is not a badge of honor. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #159

I like to rec Bernie Sanders threads at DU. nt PufPuf23 May 2015 #81

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #103

.... 840high May 2015 #128

Social progress is useless in an economically conservative environment DJ13 May 2015 #108

Only if you're a white man is that actually true. bettyellen May 2015 #136

Problem for me is... malokvale77 May 2015 #117

Truth to me. 840high May 2015 #129

I join you. 840high May 2015 #120

this thread... quickesst May 2015 #135

Bullshit. RiffRandell May 2015 #163

please re-read... quickesst May 2015 #304

The irony here is the idea that longevity of a position treestar May 2015 #339

What accomplishments does Sanders have on equality and LGBT issues? Renew Deal May 2015 #192

Compared to Hillary? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #212

That's hardly an accomplishment. Renew Deal May 2015 #229

But what greater accomplishment does Hillary have? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #242

The only way Bernie beats Clinton in the primary ... JoePhilly May 2015 #240

Anyone will beat the Republican jeff47 May 2015 #309

I agree with most of the math ... JoePhilly May 2015 #344

Good point. Trashing Hillary at every opportunity is hardly likely treestar May 2015 #337

Thank you, Manny KMOD May 2015 #281

"finally admitting"? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #286

I haven't heard you voice such loud opinion on social issues before. KMOD May 2015 #290

There's a lot of Douglas Adams in this thread. GoneOffShore May 2015 #299

I don't really care treestar May 2015 #338

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #343

Are you opposed to Hillarys stance on the issue? nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #349

By your own metric, wouldn't this put Warren well behind Clinton if Warren were to enter the race. NCTraveler May 2015 #350

Nice that we have TWO candidates that.... MaggieD May 2015 #354

As a gay man I trust Hillary on LGBT issues. hrmjustin May 2015 #360

I feel the same MaggieD May 2015 #365

. Rex May 2015 #366

As the rec count climbs the personal attacks become ever more frenzied Fumesucker May 2015 #367

Well if there is one thing GLBT people love.... MaggieD May 2015 #369

There are leaders and there are followers Fumesucker May 2015 #373

Bernie has not been a leader on this issue MaggieD May 2015 #376

Oh no doubt, just wondering if MG ever gets tired of it since he should already Rex May 2015 #405

I know the outcome of a lot of my posts these days as I'm sure you do your own Fumesucker May 2015 #419

Just making a point MannyGoldstein May 2015 #406

How many years is Hillary ahead of any one from the (R) clown car? LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #374

It's really ridiculous at this point MaggieD May 2015 #377

And obvious. n/t LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #386

+1 zappaman May 2015 #378

Oh...go hug a tree or something, you hippie! randome May 2015 #387

Yep, this thread is just another Bobbie Jo May 2015 #394

I'm with Bernie all the way, I've donated twice, and will campaign for him.. but I will pull the secondwind May 2015 #398

No Doubt, I've never voted for a Republican . But DOUBT filled my orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #434

Ahead of the loop in many ways . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #428

kick woo me with science May 2015 #435