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112. That's a bit circular

Reply to gollygee (Reply #110)

Tue May 19, 2015, 01:33 PM

May 2015

How can you know who is being affected by racism before you've even explained how and why you've defined it?

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Professor Meets World: Saida Grundy and her comments about white college men [View all] gollygee May 2015 OP

"So why the controversy"? It seems the professor is learning a valuable lesson: Buzz Clik May 2015 #1

Or at least don't make them on Twitter with its 140 character limits mythology May 2015 #2

Twitter is the worst, no doubt, which gets to this: Buzz Clik May 2015 #6

I think the point of the entire article is that the only reason her comments were "controversial" Number23 May 2015 #9

Hughey's comments would make sense if there weren't 30 years aikoaiko May 2015 #14

The fact that they're still happening to the extent they are after 30 years of programs gollygee May 2015 #17

This issue is with targeting a population for change and that's been happening. aikoaiko May 2015 #94

That may have been the point of the article, but it wasn't my point. Buzz Clik May 2015 #20

If there was a point beyond what you actually typed, then it is lost Number23 May 2015 #139

fine. Buzz Clik May 2015 #140

I think she was making social commentary on the basis of academic evidence Number23 May 2015 #143

I think we're inches apart. Buzz Clik May 2015 #144

+1 n/t JTFrog May 2015 #31

I have to disagree--if a white professor had made comments about the incidence of homicide geek tragedy May 2015 #34

ya, i am exhausted by it also, all the fuggin' time. the reality is, there is a problem with that seabeyond May 2015 #42

there is a problem with that demographic, but that problem is the culture in which geek tragedy May 2015 #46

from a non academic perspective and the redundancy of the conversation, ... we all need to step up, seabeyond May 2015 #50

What is the "problem" with that demographic? Sobax May 2015 #135

There is a significant difference between designating a group as a "problem population" on Number23 May 2015 #142

+1 nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #86

Oh, you caught that, Huh? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #98

The most recent statistics I saw for accusations of sexual assault on campus Sobax May 2015 #136

If you think that 60% of sexual assault claims against white males makes them "underepresented" then Number23 May 2015 #145

I have predictions for this thread alcibiades_mystery May 2015 #3

You're keeping you predictions a secret? Buzz Clik May 2015 #5

I bet he never saw THAT coming! FrodosPet May 2015 #8

In light of the thread topic - this guy wouldn't be happy either! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #79

death to twitter el_bryanto May 2015 #4

kick gollygee May 2015 #7

Racist tweets are racist NobodyHere May 2015 #10

Third paragraph copied in the OP gollygee May 2015 #13

I don't like the idea romanic May 2015 #11

She is a sociologist who teaches African American studies gollygee May 2015 #12

She doesn't have to be inflammatory and insulting. Nt hack89 May 2015 #15

So it's a tone argument gollygee May 2015 #16

Any person has to be aware of tone on social media hack89 May 2015 #18

I think gollygee May 2015 #19

Which makes perfect sense in the classroom. hack89 May 2015 #21

She can tweet whatever she wants gollygee May 2015 #22

Where did I say she didn't have that right? hack89 May 2015 #23

That's possible gollygee May 2015 #26

Common sense and awareness of your audience are useful traits hack89 May 2015 #28

Those traits are what enable good teaching. Eleanors38 May 2015 #55

i am telling you. men have been knocking me upside the head for a while now, thinking it will teach seabeyond May 2015 #56

Nor should you shut up hack89 May 2015 #59

the consequence. a woman dare speaks and violence, vulgarity will ensue. be forewarned, and maybe seabeyond May 2015 #62

I am not ok that you must suffer negative consequences for speaking out hack89 May 2015 #63

i was trying to get clarification on that. thank you. nt seabeyond May 2015 #66

Which is why classes aren't held via Twitter. Lizzie Poppet May 2015 #32

It's discussion gollygee May 2015 #33

But how much of that discussion is useful mythology May 2015 #39

a discussion would be excellent. the point. when SHE starts a discussion, HE's shut it down. nt seabeyond May 2015 #41

"Tone" is becoming a social construct in itself; a means of diminishing the impact Eleanors38 May 2015 #53

let us not forget Tony! Toni! Tone! kwassa May 2015 #132

I forgot after becoming ______ deaf. Eleanors38 May 2015 #133

I didn't say "racial" romanic May 2015 #24

Ah I must need to get my glasses checked gollygee May 2015 #25

I respectfully disagree. romanic May 2015 #27

The way I read that tweet gollygee May 2015 #29

that makes sense. but as a general rule if you have to clarify a comment geek tragedy May 2015 #35

Well gollygee May 2015 #37

which is why it's so lethal to politicians nt geek tragedy May 2015 #38

she isn't a politician. nt gollygee May 2015 #45

no, but she is an educator. no doubt that people who put together her tweets geek tragedy May 2015 #47

it isn't anything like an academic journal. gollygee May 2015 #48

it's publication of viewpoints. geek tragedy May 2015 #49

it is making excuses for fuckin' stupid, abusive, ignorant reactions. that simple. seabeyond May 2015 #51

honestly, sea, you know we agree on just about everything geek tragedy May 2015 #60

ONE week a year, she is making a statement with her $ earned, and you are on her ass? hey. i do seabeyond May 2015 #64

I can only see the world through my own eyes. Even when I try to put myself in someone else's geek tragedy May 2015 #71

let me address the beginning. this is the point. the worlds story has been told only thru mens eyes. seabeyond May 2015 #73

that's just it, we lack any frame of reference. geek tragedy May 2015 #74

we are forced to see bivisual, and that is a good term. it is time, men start challenging themselves seabeyond May 2015 #76

thing is, I don't know that a person can choose to be bi-visual or geek tragedy May 2015 #78

i call bullshit on this daily. my kids are much better doing it with black and gays. not so well seabeyond May 2015 #80

i could not/would not use woman. girl, lady. cause we do not use woman, or just starting. seabeyond May 2015 #81

fuck. i use to be one of the nice ones, iwth a nice tone. see what you all did to me? seabeyond May 2015 #82

and i may be seeing this wrong. i know i saw a 'comic' relief yesterday about cops beating black seabeyond May 2015 #65

you saw it as you saw it, no right or wrong nt geek tragedy May 2015 #67

So far the professor reveals a bad temper for teaching. I don't mind radical profs... Eleanors38 May 2015 #61

We don't know how she is in the classroom gollygee May 2015 #75

Her temper still seems bad. I don't much care about occasional demonstrated anger. Eleanors38 May 2015 #85

The only thing I've seen that would show a bad temper gollygee May 2015 #87

interesting. reminds me of young women in the field told to put a mans name on paper before seabeyond May 2015 #30

Not limited to white male students 1939 May 2015 #36

The narrative of "whites" doing X, Y, and Z is a safer sell... Eleanors38 May 2015 #68

there is nothing safe in challenging white, hetero, (christian), man. nothing. what an absurd seabeyond May 2015 #69

It is a safer narrative. The smart ones know how to use it. Eleanors38 May 2015 #72

The women could out-compete the men when it comes to binge drinking these days Sobax May 2015 #77

Have you been to a Black fraternity party? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #102

cause standards is set way higher for them? academicaly and to be taken seriously? nt seabeyond May 2015 #115

When i was working on my MS degree 1939 May 2015 #134

She's evidently not too fond of white rape survivors either. B2G May 2015 #40

Daily Mail gollygee May 2015 #43

Whatever. She was less than sensitive no matter the context. B2G May 2015 #44

she was less sensitive to the fuckwad being insensitive? OMG and you do not see the privilege, seabeyond May 2015 #52

What 'fuckwad' are you referring to? B2G May 2015 #57

it is a confusing story. it is used to manipulate. my point is beyond the particulars. seabeyond May 2015 #58

First we had the Twinkie Defense. Now we have the Twitter Defense! Eleanors38 May 2015 #70

so first i sat listening to this conversation. processing. and i am bottomling, she was not "nice" seabeyond May 2015 #54

Perhaps if i understood what you are trying to get at here... B2G May 2015 #83

It sounds like she misunderstood what happened gollygee May 2015 #84

The only 'nasty' I saw was from Grundy. nt B2G May 2015 #88

From the Daily Mail gollygee May 2015 #89

Screen prints don't lie. B2G May 2015 #90

It shows a cut-out section of a larger conversation gollygee May 2015 #91

That's because Ms. Grundy deleted it. B2G May 2015 #92

If they have a screen capture, they could have shown more of the conversation. gollygee May 2015 #93

Race trumps all with people like her B2G May 2015 #95

You don't know her gollygee May 2015 #96

Neither do you. nt B2G May 2015 #111

I haven't made assumptions about her gollygee May 2015 #113

I am basing my judgement by her own words B2G May 2015 #122

Forget it. romanic May 2015 #141

Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #97

I know this point comes up a lot Sobax May 2015 #99

The way words are used by white men gollygee May 2015 #100

That's your right, I guess Sobax May 2015 #103

"Correct" according to white men gollygee May 2015 #104

Why would you reject how white men use words Sobax May 2015 #107

People affected by racism have a better understanding of it than we do gollygee May 2015 #110

That's a bit circular Sobax May 2015 #112

If you can't figure out who is affected by racism gollygee May 2015 #114

Before I know who is affected by racism Sobax May 2015 #117

Or you need to be a part of this society gollygee May 2015 #118

I was about to request that you edit your remarks ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #121

Yeah and he ignored that paragrah. gollygee May 2015 #123

I think a lot is being ignored. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #125

Perhaps, by defaulting to the langauge used by the Academics that study the phenomena? n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #119

Why though? As I've said, they have no special mandate or authority Sobax May 2015 #120

And I have already said ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #124

Yes, why? If a word is already defined and in common usage Sobax May 2015 #126

So ignorance it is. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #127

Ignorance of what? Sobax May 2015 #128

Please list your peer-reviewed research on the subject of racism. Thanks. 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #129

After reading some of the peer-reviewed research on the subject Sobax May 2015 #130

True, we are just discussing MY experience in this world. No worries ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #131

And theree's no reason to accept climatologists attempts to control the language ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #106

No, absolutely not Sobax May 2015 #108

Yeah? Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #116

Yeah ... They, really do ... Well, not a "special mandate", as the refining of terms ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #105

Yes it does sound familiar gollygee May 2015 #101

Sure does ismnotwasm May 2015 #109

They sabotaged her review score on Rate My Professor LittleBlue May 2015 #137

She teaches African American studies gollygee May 2015 #138

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #146