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Bluenorthwest

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49. This is an area where my timing and cues come from organized labor groups of which I am a lifelong

Tue May 19, 2015, 05:14 PM

May 2015

member, because the trade issues are far more important to me than the candidates in any given election. It's pretty easy to see that Trumka and other labor leaders are not pressuring Hillary to make a stand at this time and there are very good reasons for that with which I agree.
As a person whose objective is to halt any trade agreement that is not fully beneficial to working people and highly protective and promotional of human rights, my thinking on Hillary is that if she comes out for the agreement I really don't give a shit when she does that because labor, LGBT groups, and others will tear that stance to shreds in any given 24 hour period. Today, next month, who cares? If, on the other hand she opposes the bill, I'd like her to do so when the timing is such that it has the greatest impact on the passage of the deal. That's not today. Which is why those who have spent years on this issue are not calling for her to talk about it today. Those who are, I don't agree with them.

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In "Hard Choices", HRC ENDORSED the TPP. So we actually do know her position [View all] cali May 2015 OP

karl rove is asking the same question Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #1

whathefuckever. so are a lot of liberals cali May 2015 #2

why should she respond to a question that may not be an issue come election time? Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #11

Uhm.. kenfrequed May 2015 #17

i care about it too but mrs clinton cant veto or pass this bill so why give either side any ammo Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #22

Because it would help voters to better understand what matters to her peacebird May 2015 #23

She's never stopped being DLC. GoneOffShore May 2015 #53

as has been written about, she is the 2nd most influential dem in the party cali May 2015 #40

You have just found a way to challenge my long-standing belief that Jackpine Radical May 2015 #61

wow that is hillarious Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #83

The TPA is good for 5 years Mnpaul May 2015 #73

it is important i just dont like seeing the left doing the work for the right Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #84

I don't like it either Mnpaul May 2015 #85

Exactly, look no further than the TPP whatchamacallit May 2015 #90

So she is powerless to sway support for or against TPP? Do we want someone so powerless as POTUS. A Simple Game May 2015 #74

oh, it will be an issue- pass or not. cali May 2015 #26

It's a huge issue right now. Shouldn't candidates talk about what is happening right now? arcane1 May 2015 #28

Yes! I agree!! How dare fellow Dems expect her to take a position on a issue Exilednight May 2015 #37

Thom Hartmann stated it well today Mnpaul May 2015 #70

I find arrogance to be a cover for ignorance. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #72

the thread is about her position on the tpp not trade in general Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #93

I AGREE! Fellow Demsshould not ask where Hillary stands on TPP in discussion about trade. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #95

im not saying they shouldnt ask im saying she shouldnt feel compelled to answer on tpp Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #96

I Agree!! How dare fellow Dems demand a response out of her to determine if she can make the right Exilednight May 2015 #98

hc larksmaryland May 2015 #12

Usually Sobax May 2015 #35

Finger in the wind. 840high May 2015 #76

Does that make it untrue? el_bryanto May 2015 #4

It is? On what grounds would she have based changing her mind? cali May 2015 #8

Just being candid about all the possibilities el_bryanto May 2015 #16

OK, but what on earth would she have based changing her opinion on? cali May 2015 #18

So the question is invalid as to where Autumn May 2015 #6

the question may be a non-issue come election time Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #15

No! kenfrequed May 2015 #20

I suggest you talk to President Obama and those upaloopa May 2015 #30

This is an issue. kenfrequed May 2015 #38

Link? I see a "GOTCHA" but don't see a link to Rove asking that question. Autumn May 2015 #21

american rising+american crossroads (rove) are airing ads Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #24

Oh, the right is baiting the left all right. arcane1 May 2015 #34

Sorry I don't see Rove asking where Hillary stands on the TPP in that OP. Autumn May 2015 #41

It amazes me. kenfrequed May 2015 #44

That should be a huge issue for any Democrat. Or any thinking person Autumn May 2015 #45

A truthful answer would make Hillary look bad, hence this poster's desperate need to ignore it. arcane1 May 2015 #32

That's exactly what it is. Question Hillary shaming Autumn May 2015 #42

^^^this^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #62

It just doesn't get any funnier than that Autumn May 2015 #67

Bullshit! It is not gotcha. Enthusiast May 2015 #56

A shitload of people Aerows May 2015 #14

nobody gives two fucks about karl rove frylock May 2015 #57

Far more important, though Rove may be important to YOU, is that millions of American Workers are sabrina 1 May 2015 #89

rove important to me? im not part of the pack doing his work for him Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #92

Apparently Rove is important to you or you would not have referred to him. He and his Republican sabrina 1 May 2015 #99

again if rove were important to me i'd be helping him by smearing hillary but im not. Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #100

Show me where I have 'smeared Hillary' please. sabrina 1 May 2015 #101

from the post you responded to."and by "you" i dont mean you specifically it's the general "you" " Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #102

Okay, because I don't believe in personally smearing candidates. I do believe in sabrina 1 May 2015 #103

i dont believe that's what is going on in this post. hillary cant pass or veto this she didnt write Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #104

The point is, she has made a statement on the TPP. She has said she will 'wait and see' what sabrina 1 May 2015 #105

Today: Support for trade agreements that increase jobs and wages" (in other countries, I'm guessing) NYC_SKP May 2015 #3

Not being loudly and adamantly opposed to the TPP should be a disqualifier for a Dem candidate. Scuba May 2015 #5

I don't agree. Let voters decide cali May 2015 #7

Yeah, how does she think she'll get away with that after what she wrote in her book? Scuba May 2015 #64

Cali, your impeccable research eloydude May 2015 #9

thanks. I'm sure there are many who are ignoring me too cali May 2015 #10

Hey I am not ignoring you upaloopa May 2015 #33

Glad to hear she has the foresight to back it. Thanks for posting. Hoyt May 2015 #13

lol and I know it doesn't bother you in the least that she's fibbing about it. cali May 2015 #19

She'll say whatever she's paid to say; like a coin-operated ventriloquist dummy. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #25

+1 Sobax May 2015 #36

Well another Hillary unpaid campaign advisor upaloopa May 2015 #27

A candidate for President should tell voters where she/he stands on issues and cali May 2015 #29

Yes and she should spend campaign time upaloopa May 2015 #39

jaysus. it's not about me. It's about a candidate's duty to the voting public cali May 2015 #47

Not a chance upaloopa May 2015 #48

Wait... Hillary is the only Democrat that would appoint liberal justices to SCOTUS? cui bono May 2015 #75

Excuse me: Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #31

She's been pretty clear.... MaggieD May 2015 #43

lol. she's been dishonest. She touted it strongly post-State Dept cali May 2015 #50

Nah, her voting record backs up her consistent stance MaggieD May 2015 #51

It's right in the OP. She clearly endorsed it. Now she's saying she's reserving judgment cali May 2015 #58

Again, she has been clear.... MaggieD May 2015 #60

she isn't reserving judgment. She has come out strongly in support of it cali May 2015 #63

No she hasn't.... MaggieD May 2015 #68

You don't know that she CHANGED her position on the Columbia trade deal???? BrotherIvan May 2015 #77

I apparently know more than you do.... MaggieD May 2015 #78

So you just left that part out when you said BrotherIvan May 2015 #79

I posted a damn link to the article MaggieD May 2015 #80

That article certainly reaches your level of apologeia BrotherIvan May 2015 #81

Ah, but the president ALSO flip-flopped on the Colombian trade deal. So that negates HRC's flip Doctor_J May 2015 #94

And three flip flops make an ice cream sundae BrotherIvan May 2015 #97

Exactly. She's been very clear, even laying out goals the final TPP must meet for her ultimate Hoyt May 2015 #65

Of course, the kabuki theater pretending we don't notwithstanding. AtomicKitten May 2015 #46

Links? MaggieD May 2015 #69

This is an area where my timing and cues come from organized labor groups of which I am a lifelong Bluenorthwest May 2015 #49

Question... F4lconF16 May 2015 #52

she made up her mind, but she could easily un-make it up paulkienitz May 2015 #54

Just goes to show ya: you can't believe everything you read RufusTFirefly May 2015 #55

Her book is called hard choices, just don't ask her any questions in which she may have to Exilednight May 2015 #59

K and R (nt) bigwillq May 2015 #66

I would like some journalist to ask any candidate their degree of awareness on TPP. gordianot May 2015 #71

The answer...my friend...like Hillary, is blowing in the wind... AzDar May 2015 #82

"Playing political games" = LYING TO OUR FACES woo me with science May 2015 #86

hey, what's a little hypocrisy and arrogance in political campaign? cali May 2015 #87

Apparently NAFTA added US jobs steadily for six years, just like Bill promised it would: ucrdem May 2015 #88

KNEW her position. she's been, er, flexible on healthcare and gay marriage and a few Doctor_J May 2015 #91

Worker's rights. chev52 May 2015 #106

kick. for those calling me a liar cali Jun 2015 #107