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seabeyond

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25. "because she did it, A LOT " ya slut. i got that part of the conversation too.

Wed May 20, 2015, 11:43 AM

May 2015

another that i am having to address with a very young man, identifying and defining roles.

she got around.

will listen to the song. and you might not want to be fuckin' with me, lol, in your gigglin' ways. i do not always trust you. meh... so i hit play warily.

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Taylor Swift: "Misogyny Is Ingrained in People From the Time They Are Born" [View all] seabeyond May 2015 OP

My problem with Swift isn't that she is sharing feelings from a vulnerable place Goblinmonger May 2015 #1

i heard my 16 yr old son dismiss this singer saying the same whining shit. seabeyond May 2015 #3

Do you have a specific artist in mind to discuss? Goblinmonger May 2015 #36

" ALL the male artists" vs "ALL male artists". you play this game, i am done talkin' seabeyond May 2015 #41

Again, I'm just asking you to give me something specific. Goblinmonger May 2015 #46

no. if you start so dishonestly in your conversation, you are not to be taken seriously. that simple seabeyond May 2015 #47

So you don't want to have a conversation about a male artist? Goblinmonger May 2015 #69

no, goblin. i do not want to have a conversation with you. i have said that, 3 x's, now? seabeyond May 2015 #71

But you're still replying to me all over the place? Goblinmonger May 2015 #73

wonderful changing the conversation to me saying ALL male artist. such easy language manipulation seabeyond May 2015 #62

Ed Sheeren is on his Dorian Gray May 2015 #217

You would probably get more conversation... NaturalHigh May 2015 #166

For real. romanic May 2015 #175

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #57

"It's not ALL male artists" i did not say that so who should be shuttin' the fuck up? seabeyond May 2015 #60

The troll has been "shut up." cyberswede May 2015 #68

ya. but, one made it thru yesterday and i do not get why seabeyond May 2015 #70

I think it's just a matter of time on that one. cyberswede May 2015 #74

ya........ i am pointing right at you. lmFUGGIN'ao. all of what you say. lol seabeyond May 2015 #78

For some people, "victory" means something completely different. arcane1 May 2015 #116

I never, EVER hear you use the word "whine" for women. Bonobo May 2015 #183

Only if you are listening to hip hop 1939 May 2015 #218

Hey, it worked for Joni Mitchell. n/t malthaussen May 2015 #4

Touche Goblinmonger May 2015 #75

Oh, I like Joni too. malthaussen May 2015 #82

speaking of joni, I cannot find any updates on her condition after 28 april. niyad May 2015 #99

Yeah, that story dropped like a rock, didn't it? malthaussen May 2015 #101

Graham Nash said last Friday that she'd be out of the hospital soon, has full awareness, seemed geek tragedy May 2015 #126

that is excellent news. hope it is so. niyad May 2015 #162

"Full awareness," good... malthaussen May 2015 #194

He didn't say. nt geek tragedy May 2015 #195

"pretty much all of her successful songs...have to do with a relationship gone bad" Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #5

I was just thinking about Tammy Wynette! DawgHouse May 2015 #53

LOL treestar May 2015 #138

This hit's for you. LuvLoogie May 2015 #6

why you gotta be so mean. interesting, cause i have a teenage son that seabeyond May 2015 #11

your son might like this music video snooper2 May 2015 #19

"because she did it, A LOT " ya slut. i got that part of the conversation too. seabeyond May 2015 #25

I don't know how you got that out of what I wrote, Her songs/material/she did a lot snooper2 May 2015 #35

i know you do not know who i got it. yet, it was there. i am that good. seabeyond May 2015 #39

um, okay, I guess...I don't get to make up my own truths snooper2 May 2015 #52

I don't care how many relationships she had. Goblinmonger May 2015 #79

really, i am going off what i heard from a younger generation. seabeyond May 2015 #80

I have a class of mostly seniors who graduate in a couple days Goblinmonger May 2015 #83

they are fed in the same culture. this.... THIS i say respectfully, and beyond interesting. seabeyond May 2015 #84

I'm pretty good at just letting the talk about things. Goblinmonger May 2015 #97

..... seabeyond May 2015 #85

Yes. Not the AP part, though. Goblinmonger May 2015 #98

You're welcome, Sea. LuvLoogie May 2015 #121

I try to give people a chance but Swift doesn't do much for me Johonny May 2015 #8

i am very much into that, and rarely if ever listen to the words. seabeyond May 2015 #12

That's just an interpretation Blue_Adept May 2015 #13

i do not know about amusing. interesting. it is the conversation with 17 yr old son, last couple seabeyond May 2015 #18

It is amusing Blue_Adept May 2015 #21

which is what we so often do with women. we women say.... "fuck you" and then seabeyond May 2015 #28

I have no love for her music, but that's just personal preference. Goblinmonger May 2015 #40

Yes, I am Blue_Adept May 2015 #45

i think i like some of perry too. are they pitted against each other? cat fight? seabeyond May 2015 #48

Fair enough Goblinmonger May 2015 #66

you mutilated my meaning/intent taking out 'the' to create ALL men. you're an english teacher? seabeyond May 2015 #67

I'm not sure what this has to do with this subthread Goblinmonger May 2015 #72

Amusing, in a train-wreck sort of way. malthaussen May 2015 #44

A nice collaboration... LuvLoogie May 2015 #24

Yes, because men never write breakup songs shenmue May 2015 #127

Where did i said that? Goblinmonger May 2015 #170

Taylor Swift is rooted in country IVoteDFL May 2015 #134

Stipulating that indoctrination is a real process... malthaussen May 2015 #2

heres the thing. just yesterday i was chatting with greek... my experience. at 20, saying, WTF!!!! seabeyond May 2015 #7

It is of the nature of epiphanies... malthaussen May 2015 #10

yes. which brings us to this song. men telling us to carry a gun and shoot our rapist. seabeyond May 2015 #14

Hey, my violence trumps your violence! malthaussen May 2015 #16

i do not hear that story in the song. or the point i am making. seabeyond May 2015 #23

Not the song, Sea, the culture that evokes it. malthaussen May 2015 #32

no. as a matter of fact, the opposite, hence the backlash. we are suppose to continually submit. seabeyond May 2015 #37

You know me, I like to be perverse... malthaussen May 2015 #51

i actually amazingly had this conversation with another on du, just yesterday. and it goes.... seabeyond May 2015 #59

Silent Lucidity. ismnotwasm May 2015 #30

Good points. F4lconF16 May 2015 #17

as i think she is doing, per my OP and yet.... listen to the conversation. i think that is what seabeyond May 2015 #34

So you're saying the smart money is to invest in a lumber company then? The2ndWheel May 2015 #38

True, it is not the only issue treestar May 2015 #144

At 25, her current business model is pretty strong... MrScorpio May 2015 #9

she may have taken that step that is actually opening up that base. ya think? seabeyond May 2015 #15

Oh, I think a lot of it is learned, as well. Parents, and other adult figures bullwinkle428 May 2015 #20

My all time favorite band is Def Leppard. When she went on tour with them and sang some of their stevenleser May 2015 #22

Mentioning Def Leppard in a Taylor Swift thread just seems wrong somehow... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #199

I met the lead singer one time when doing a bit for RT, back when I still accepted those... stevenleser May 2015 #208

Huh. F4lconF16 May 2015 #26

I have no problems with Taylor Swift... In fact, some of her writing I can commend. Xyzse May 2015 #27

Glad she's on board ismnotwasm May 2015 #29

Sociology 101 would do her some good. It's nurture, not nature. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #31

It's nurture, not nature. seabeyond May 2015 #42

That's what she means by ismnotwasm May 2015 #50

That's not how I'm reading it. Exilednight May 2015 #55

Obviously. malthaussen May 2015 #58

hence, us educating you in the reading of it. nt seabeyond May 2015 #64

Why? ismnotwasm May 2015 #76

Ingrained means deeply rooted. If something is ingrained since birth, Exilednight May 2015 #87

immediately ingrained, from birth. indoctrined. boy, we hold less. girl we hold more. that matters seabeyond May 2015 #88

I don't get what you're trying to say. I've never experienced that wih friends or family. Exilednight May 2015 #91

ha... ok. well see. you live in a bubble? .... a world of purity and balance. i gotcha. nt seabeyond May 2015 #92

On my moms side of the family I am the only born boy Exilednight May 2015 #96

May be a generational thing, Sea. malthaussen May 2015 #103

if so, it is only because of conversation. i took parenting on as a job. research, listening, seabeyond May 2015 #105

Me either. polly7 May 2015 #95

I'm a mother of 4 girls laundry_queen May 2015 #169

I didn't say evidence of that extreme claim didn't possibly exist. polly7 May 2015 #172

Again, you assert because YOU don't see it, that it doesn't exist laundry_queen May 2015 #173

Bullshit. polly7 May 2015 #174

Yeah, I'm thinking the hostility isn't mine here. laundry_queen May 2015 #176

I don't like being lied about. polly7 May 2015 #177

I didn't lie. laundry_queen May 2015 #180

LMAO. polly7 May 2015 #206

Well I'll let others judge who is the angry one here. laundry_queen May 2015 #216

+1000. You've nailed it, thank you. "you are attempting to invalidate and R B Garr May 2015 #212

Again, it's not lying. laundry_queen May 2015 #182

Where did I say it didn't ever exist. polly7 May 2015 #210

Yet you can't see that your brother could equally be a victim in that sexism? davidn3600 May 2015 #187

Did I say I didn't see it? laundry_queen May 2015 #193

Snore. polly7 May 2015 #198

Zzzzzzzzz...... polly7 May 2015 #197

I haven't experienced that either... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #201

Oh come on now ........ polly7 May 2015 #209

Funny story: Orrex May 2015 #93

Ironically, my 12 aunts said the same thing to my dad. I had 4 sisters. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #154

I guess some stereotype's can be good if you're trying to make a point The2ndWheel May 2015 #102

you take it to ridiculous. why? nt seabeyond May 2015 #106

Well this is still the internet The2ndWheel May 2015 #114

i would say the intent more dismissive than anything else. seabeyond May 2015 #117

Alright, which part did you think went to the ridiculous? The2ndWheel May 2015 #119

who would get worked up putting a girl in a dress? hence, ridiculous. ya think? seabeyond May 2015 #120

I admire Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus and all young performers speaking out on equality polly7 May 2015 #118

You CANNOT be serious. NaturalHigh May 2015 #191

Ok ismnotwasm May 2015 #149

I view racism the same way. No child is born racist, but Exilednight May 2015 #155

She said "ingrained" not "innate." LuvLoogie May 2015 #122

How do you know how smart she is? Have you say with her for hours having deep Exilednight May 2015 #124

"ingrain" is a transitive verb LuvLoogie May 2015 #128

"Ingrained" is an adjective. Exilednight May 2015 #137

You are cherry picking. "Mysogyny is ingrained..." is the verb usage LuvLoogie May 2015 #145

No I'm not. She said "from the time they are born" Exilednight May 2015 #151

You may be a journalism graduate LuvLoogie May 2015 #156

I said I would run it past some cohorts. I've texted the link and waiting for replies. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #158

From my editor: it would be a transient verb if Exilednight May 2015 #159

Your hyperactive autocorrect turned "transitive" into "transient." You might want to fix that. nt tblue37 May 2015 #189

What makes a verb transitive is that it takes a direct object--the action is TRANSferred from the tblue37 May 2015 #190

"FROM the time they are born" Captain Stern May 2015 #220

what it INDICATES, is from birth we are conditioned. nurtured. that would be the obvious. another seabeyond May 2015 #221

In this construction, "is ingrained" is the passive voice of the verb "to ingrain," and it is tblue37 May 2015 #186

There is one flaw with your explanation. Let's see if you can find it. Exilednight May 2015 #188

You have not made a coherent argument. LuvLoogie May 2015 #219

Problem is, they are synonyms. progressoid May 2015 #171

I really like Swift and the person she is growing into. NCTraveler May 2015 #33

there you go NC, i agree and am seeing the same. totally..... awesome. lol. nt seabeyond May 2015 #43

We really dig her in our house. LuvLoogie May 2015 #123

Thank you for sharing that. NCTraveler May 2015 #192

"Bad Blood" song is NOT about romantic relationships Blue_Adept May 2015 #49

Thanks ismnotwasm May 2015 #54

Like most things in life, context helps Blue_Adept May 2015 #56

I'm that way too ismnotwasm May 2015 #77

Misogyny is ingrained in people from the time they are born. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #61

she says it. she gets plenty of backlash and dismissiveness. and i hear ya. nt seabeyond May 2015 #65

I see no "dismissiveness" of that thought here Goblinmonger May 2015 #81

dont you kinda get that when her conversation is misogyny and we discuss her relationships? nt seabeyond May 2015 #86

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #90

Fair point. Goblinmonger May 2015 #104

Yes, she does. Actually. I wonder who is doing the back lashing, cant be MEN, can it NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #94

She did not even single out men treestar May 2015 #136

Wow, I am impressed, had no idea she was a deep thinker. Rex May 2015 #63

Curious that "Blank Page" is explictly about a stereotypical crazy girlfriend, then. Orrex May 2015 #89

K&R. Thanks for this thread, sea... YoungDemCA May 2015 #100

i have not been a part of her history, only minimally. mostly, not my thing. i do like to listen seabeyond May 2015 #107

yes! "girls and boys - who are struggling with finding themselves, figuring out who they are" J_J_ May 2015 #109

the third video above. not mine thing, nor do i need it. an adult. but, i did recognize what an seabeyond May 2015 #110

Ok Ok abelenkpe May 2015 #108

ha ha ha. ya. hm. nt seabeyond May 2015 #111

pink is a fav of mine. seabeyond May 2015 #112

Swift has some of the better songs on the radio these days. dawg May 2015 #113

she's being held back? Doctor_J May 2015 #115

When she gets older and less "hot" she will be judged on it a lot sooner treestar May 2015 #133

You have great faith in your crystal ball. Doctor_J May 2015 #141

Just generally, women will get comments on treestar May 2015 #150

That's so cute... davidn3600 May 2015 #125

"white girl worth $200 million bucks feels oppressed." clear to all on du you do not get misogyny seabeyond May 2015 #129

that's a rather gentle way of putting it . . . geek tragedy May 2015 #135

I think most people wouldn't mind having her problems davidn3600 May 2015 #143

She's talking about society in general! treestar May 2015 #148

I like said... davidn3600 May 2015 #157

She's still dealing with sexism treestar May 2015 #203

he is anti feminist, from day one. not fair, she has money, so what if she has to deal with misogyny seabeyond May 2015 #161

So when someone doesn't like her music or calls it "whiny"... davidn3600 May 2015 #163

A white girl worth $200 million bucks feels oppressed. That's a good one. seabeyond May 2015 #164

She was referring to the objectification of her looks treestar May 2015 #204

Yeah true. President Obama and Oprah, etc. treestar May 2015 #202

you all in your brilliance, continue giving the example of economic populist position, excluding seabeyond May 2015 #160

Ever listen to a blues record? This entire comment reeks of MRAishness with a side of homophobia nt geek tragedy May 2015 #131

+1 cyberswede May 2015 #168

No I think she is right treestar May 2015 #132

"I'm so lonesome, I could cry" geek tragedy May 2015 #139

I heard that as a kid! treestar May 2015 #146

FFS ismnotwasm May 2015 #152

She gets it treestar May 2015 #130

just a NOTE DonCoquixote May 2015 #140

Now I really like Taylor! Way to go Woman! You rock! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #142

"Misogyny is ingrained in people from the time they are born" BlueJazz May 2015 #147

I think one of the main reasons for misogyny Skittles May 2015 #153

I think Freud felt that deep down, so he flipped it and came up with "penis envy." Arugula Latte May 2015 #167

"Misogyny Is Ingrained in People From the Time They Are Born" NaturalHigh May 2015 #165

Upthread laundry_queen May 2015 #178

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #179

I think you need a breather from this thread nt laundry_queen May 2015 #181

I thought the same of you after your first post. nt. polly7 May 2015 #196

They pretty much discuss it upthread treestar May 2015 #205

No, we are not all indoctrinated in it. Speak for yourself. nt. polly7 May 2015 #207

"Perhaps you need to upgrade your reading materials." NaturalHigh May 2015 #184

Cool. laundry_queen May 2015 #185

What does Kanye think? Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #200

"Beyonce made the most profound feminist statement ever." nt geek tragedy May 2015 #211

Tribalism is a powerful force Zambero May 2015 #213

tribalism. yea. and fascinating. yes. i think i might have to do some reading on your point. seabeyond May 2015 #214

the minute someone changes my words from a group of men, to ALL men, i am going to stop seabeyond May 2015 #215