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(400 posts) Thu May 10, 2012, 12:27 PM May 2012

BREAKING: Obama endorses STATES RIGHTS [View all]

http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2012/05/obama-endorses-marriage-equality-federalism

"A president endorsing, even as a "personal position," marriage equality for gays and lesbians is, as Vice President Joe Biden once said, a big fucking deal. But Obama has endorsed marriage equality federalism—not the notion that marriage for gays and lesbians is a fundamental right guaranteed by the Constitution that can never be taken away. Obama has adopted the same position that Vice President Dick Cheney did in 2004, when Cheney said he believed in marriage equality but that the states should be allowed to decide by a show of hands, as North Carolina did Tuesday, whether gays and lesbians have the same rights as everyone else."

The best breakdown so-far of Obama's position on marriage equality. Apparently, being as progressive as Dick Cheney is now something to celebrate.

I seem to remember some previous president's taking a states rights position when it comes to civil rights issues.

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BREAKING: Obama endorses STATES RIGHTS [View all] rapturedbyrobots May 2012 OP

This issue is a civil rights issue. If you left it up to states and people blacks would still be southernyankeebelle May 2012 #1

There's no"if" to your concern, 30 some odd states have voted Lionessa May 2012 #9

He doesn't have to mention what if anything he would do about it. That wasn't the purpose. FarLeftFist May 2012 #13

baby steps, just baby steps. What can he do? You got a house with republicans. It won't go southernyankeebelle May 2012 #33

Agreed. nt. AverageJoe90 May 2012 #49

I am glad you are happy with baby steps dbackjon May 2012 #81

I wish you could too. I can't make it come any faster and if I could I'd snap my fingers and it southernyankeebelle May 2012 #85

His statement wasn't about legislation, it was about a sitting president admitting to FarLeftFist May 2012 #2

+1 DearAbby May 2012 #3

Yeah, if you want legislation than make it happen. He said Yes WE Can, not Yes I Can. FarLeftFist May 2012 #5

Me and many others will be happy rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #18

File under: "Nothing is ever good enough" FSogol May 2012 #4

When the issue is civil rights rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #19

He Did Affirm Those RIghts ProfessorGAC May 2012 #29

Actually, he affirmed the validity of Amendment One rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #38

I Understand It Completely ProfessorGAC May 2012 #73

So you then are supportive of Amendment One? dbackjon May 2012 #83

No, he said leave it up to the states dbackjon May 2012 #82

I've said it before...... TLM May 2012 #50

I need an aspirin bluestateguy May 2012 #6

Barney Frank... SidDithers May 2012 #7

Racially based discrimination based on states rights rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #20

So civil rights are a state level contract? TLM May 2012 #52

Here: ProSense May 2012 #8

The way this can be fixed is: The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #10

The Defense of Marriage Act is federal legislation on marriage Eric J in MN May 2012 #12

And it's not being enforced by thte DoJ. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #14

The DOJ is refusing to defend DOMA in lawsuits over federal benefits and federal taxes. Eric J in MN May 2012 #16

On 1 - what is the "correct" federal position on first cousins, 16 year olds and "common law"? jberryhill May 2012 #21

No argument from me. Of course that's a huge problem The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #35

DOMA is being enforced. It's not being defended by the Obama Administration in court. morningfog May 2012 #64

you've gotta do it through the courts because as it stands legislation would never, ever pass... dionysus May 2012 #68

Yes, I remember when Dick Cheney signed the DADT repeal and stopped enforcing DOMA because emulatorloo May 2012 #11

DOMA is still enforced. morningfog May 2012 #65

Feb 23, 2011: "President Obama Instructs Justice Department to Stop Defending DOMA" emulatorloo May 2012 #74

It is still in effect and enforced. DOMA is still currently good law. morningfog May 2012 #79

Great, are you going to fight to get Obama a ruling majority progressive ? uponit7771 May 2012 #15

NO rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #17

Oh Brother ProfessorGAC May 2012 #30

+ 1 It was a very telling response. emulatorloo May 2012 #40

let me suggest you read Prism's excellent OP which addresses this. cali May 2012 #22

would love to rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #23

Link here: emulatorloo May 2012 #26

Thanks for opening up the discussion rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #31

You're correct, it's not a defense of a constitutional right Prism May 2012 #62

I can respect that. rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #63

100% agreed Prism May 2012 #71

Am I the only one to notice how 'tricky' this states rights thing is..... wandy May 2012 #24

Abortion and Racial Equality were states rights issues until Supreme Court intervened. emulatorloo May 2012 #25

I hope that issue doesn't come before the current Supreme Court. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2012 #39

Meanwhile, Romney will campaign on a constitutional ban on all marriage equality Bolo Boffin May 2012 #27

what romney does or doesn't do isn't the issue rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #28

Au contraire, it's at the heart of this issue. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #32

Obama has not taken a stand rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #34

Yes, he has and you won't change that by copying and pasting your answers Bolo Boffin May 2012 #36

I just want people to be honest about what he did and didn't say rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #41

Well, then, let's be honest about everything Barack Obama has done for the LGBT community Bolo Boffin May 2012 #45

OK rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #47

I am sick and tired of anybody trying to tell me that the President has handed me lemons Bolo Boffin May 2012 #51

Well said... SidDithers May 2012 #55

That's fine for you rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #56

Yes, NC, the day after Amendment One passed, the President endorsed marriage equality. Bolo Boffin May 2012 #57

That's just it rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #61

bravo! excellent post! dionysus May 2012 #69

If I could rec your post, I would. emulatorloo May 2012 #75

This is my first post, because it seemed too important for me to stay quiet.. dadchef May 2012 #58

And welcome to DU Swede May 2012 #77

My pleasure to have the an safe port in the violent storm.. dadchef May 2012 #78

The ball is rolling now ecstatic May 2012 #37

I expected him to say what matters rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #43

Reid: Democratic party platform will include pro-gay marriage plank emulatorloo May 2012 #46

That's what's up n/t rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #48

Do states have the right to dictate religous beliefs? LiberalFighter May 2012 #42

No rapturedbyrobots May 2012 #44

My daughter is a medical marijuana patient here in CA so yay for states rights!! K8-EEE May 2012 #53

Without state rights, no state at all would have gay marriage. VT and MA got the ball rolling. Mass May 2012 #54

Du rec. Nt xchrom May 2012 #59

I don't see why states need these amendments treestar May 2012 #60

It is to pre-empt courts, exercise bigotry, intimidate and morningfog May 2012 #66

Legislative bullying. randome May 2012 #70

It's a beginning SteveG May 2012 #67

It's a legitimate criticism and I thought it diminished the annoucement somewhat, BUT Hippo_Tron May 2012 #72

Good post. BTW, Cheney talking point appears to have originated with log cabin republicans emulatorloo May 2012 #76

...as defined by the constitution bhikkhu May 2012 #80

don't care ibegurpard May 2012 #84