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GeorgeGist

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1. Hope and Change.

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Wed May 20, 2015, 02:38 PM

May 2015

Like Bait and Switch, only worse.

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Wow. PLEASE READ. Last month the USTR released a document that illuminated US trade objectives [View all] cali May 2015 OP

Hope and Change. GeorgeGist May 2015 #1

I'm reading that document now. It's nation by nation cali May 2015 #5

Sorry, this isn't the nefarious text you think it is... JaneyVee May 2015 #68

And the small handful of ineffective defenders say... arcane1 May 2015 #2

The USTR: Front for U.S. corporations. cali May 2015 #6

Time to drown the TPP (Toiler Paper Parley) in the Crapper. imthevicar May 2015 #65

Kick. Luminous Animal May 2015 #3

Originally, just the leaked chapters contradicted Obama's statements on public interest law. pa28 May 2015 #4

I don't want to be accused of misleading anyone- I used the phrase trade objectives cali May 2015 #7

Thanks, will read it. But have already seen some of the cases against Countries who apparently have sabrina 1 May 2015 #8

Samer here. Public Citizen lists the cases brought to the NAFTA court on its website. JDPriestly May 2015 #98

and where are the cheerleaders for the TPP and "free trade"? cali May 2015 #9

They are drinking their mimosas - it's celebration time TBF May 2015 #95

Obamanomics - we are all supposed to STFU because we are "wrong" nt msongs May 2015 #10

Let's not. cali May 2015 #11

+1 Scuba May 2015 #12

Like hell I will. Speak out people- email 840high May 2015 #58

I know this isn't "sexy" or personality driven, but this is so revealing cali May 2015 #13

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #14

You're welcom, Willy. Thanks for the kick. I'm on Brazil now cali May 2015 #15

Great Work !!! - Keep 'Em Comin... WillyT May 2015 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 May 2015 #75

Wish we had such a restriction. JDPriestly May 2015 #100

the deeper in the USTR report I dig, the more bizarre cali May 2015 #17

I can only imagine how much time you put into your information excavations. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #18

thanks Cali. This is VERY revealing and must be exposed! bbgrunt May 2015 #19

it really is. I'm on Costa Rica now. The USTR really doesn't like cali May 2015 #23

Thanks, Cali. My computer is so slow I can hardly open the document. JDPriestly May 2015 #101

"How easy is a bush supposed a bear." ucrdem May 2015 #20

You got nothing. cali May 2015 #22

Thanks I think... I missed that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21

kick cali May 2015 #24

K&R!!!!!!!!! n/t Michigan-Arizona May 2015 #25

This IS a joke nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #26

the bullshit out of the USTR is remarkable. cali May 2015 #28

cali and nadine questionseverything May 2015 #30

The more we learn about the TPP the more hideous it becomes..... /nt think May 2015 #27

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious May 2015 #29

K & R historylovr May 2015 #31

This reminds me of the Summers memo Mnpaul May 2015 #32

Dumping toxic wast. That's what free trade is really about, I suspect. JDPriestly May 2015 #105

So, not a secret like I've been saying. MaggieD May 2015 #33

It's not a link to the TPP. neverforget May 2015 #34

Hint - there is MORE than enough info MaggieD May 2015 #35

you have never posted a link to this document cali May 2015 #36

I've posted links to the pages with documents. MaggieD May 2015 #37

you posted tpp propaganda. you did not post cali May 2015 #42

I don't read your links. 840high May 2015 #59

How often? I don't think I ever saw one. JDPriestly May 2015 #106

Hint: it's secret. It's not available for the public to read. neverforget May 2015 #38

Back to that canard? MaggieD May 2015 #39

who to believe? you or Senators Boxer,Brown,Warren and other dems cali May 2015 #43

Never believe any politician MaggieD May 2015 #44

lol. but you insist repeatedly that cali May 2015 #47

I believe based on what they do, not what they say MaggieD May 2015 #49

How did she vote on the IWR? BrotherIvan May 2015 #63

when she was actually last in government service (as SoS), her official position on the TPP was... Lagom May 2015 #64

Then you should be believing Sen. Boxer. cui bono May 2015 #89

Is she in jail and no one noticed? MaggieD May 2015 #93

Who said she was in jail? Surely you know what she said about notes, I mean you keep cui bono May 2015 #102

Congress will be jailed if they talk about the TPP! MaggieD May 2015 #110

That was not the post you responded to. cui bono May 2015 #115

Isn't that the meme? MaggieD May 2015 #117

Where did she disclose the details? cui bono May 2015 #121

According to you guys... MaggieD May 2015 #124

Where did I say that? Can you please provide me with a list of my heroes? cui bono May 2015 #125

So you agree that the "they will be jailed" thing.... MaggieD May 2015 #129

Nope. I posted the links. cui bono May 2015 #130

How come Jeff Sessions isn't in jail then? MaggieD May 2015 #132

Again, you have to actually read what the article says. cui bono May 2015 #133

The TPP is a scumbag document. I judge from the reactions of those senators and representatives JDPriestly May 2015 #107

I'm against it too MaggieD May 2015 #109

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the accusations are based on on conjecture as are yours JDPriestly May 2015 #113

Yeah, Obama is Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde MaggieD May 2015 #116

Your points, one by one. JDPriestly May 2015 #119

Great, thanks - I am not in favor of the TPP MaggieD May 2015 #120

A lot of people disagree with you. cui bono May 2015 #126

Couldn't care less MaggieD May 2015 #127

Couldn't tell that from all your posts defending his fight for the TPP and its secrecy. cui bono May 2015 #128

Sorry - I don't even think about it.... MaggieD May 2015 #131

Doesn't answer what I asked at all. cui bono May 2015 #134

Personal gain for me? MaggieD May 2015 #135

Obama is a self-described moderate Republican. He is siding with the Cons on the TPP. cui bono May 2015 #136

Oh come on - tell the truth MaggieD May 2015 #141

No. He described HIMSELF as a moderate Republican. Happy to provide video: cui bono May 2015 #145

Does that include Prez. Obama? 840high May 2015 #60

The phrase ANY politician would include.... MaggieD May 2015 #61

But believe random internet people. cui bono May 2015 #88

Tell that to every United States Senator nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #45

There you go, missing the point again MaggieD May 2015 #51

Because the info does not reflect the reality of the treaty nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #52

Hint: It's not your only source MaggieD May 2015 #53

Well she had a role in it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #56

Puzzling? lark May 2015 #73

And Junior nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #77

Think you are amusing yourself lark May 2015 #148

So a United States Ambasssador has more authority nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #149

OMG! lark May 2015 #150

So translation nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #151

OK, can't resist. lark May 2015 #152

If you think we have a government run by a dictator that is your prerogative I suppose nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #153

Wouldn't you like to know? JDPriestly May 2015 #111

I have informed myself with info available.... MaggieD May 2015 #114

Back to that canard? Claiming it's not secret yet not being able to link to the document. neverforget May 2015 #46

the ustr site is not a good resource for learning about the tpp cali May 2015 #40

Yet now it is suddenly MaggieD May 2015 #41

keep up with your high test truthiness, Mags! cali May 2015 #48

That's your "tell" MaggieD May 2015 #50

No tell. I genuinely find your schtick worthy of a laugh smilie- and cali May 2015 #67

I don't support the TPP MaggieD May 2015 #69

oh, bulloney. you defend it at every turn. cali May 2015 #74

Link to that? MaggieD May 2015 #81

No one believes what you say anymore. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #138

Aw, you say that to all the non-puretopians MaggieD May 2015 #139

No, I reserved that comment just for you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #140

Gosh, you mean I have to live with the horrible pain of.... MaggieD May 2015 #142

No. You have to live with yourself. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #143

Not a problem! MaggieD May 2015 #144

Oh please, you are all over this board so much defending it I'm wondering if you are Obama. cui bono May 2015 #90

Link to that? MaggieD May 2015 #91

Then why do you keep defending it? cui bono May 2015 #103

I'm not defending it.... MaggieD May 2015 #108

Oh, I see, so it's all about defending Obama. Got it. cui bono May 2015 #112

You got nothing MaggieD May 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono May 2015 #122

Again, a link to a post that proves my point. cui bono May 2015 #123

many thanks for your continued kicking of this thread. cali May 2015 #146

You are very welcome! MaggieD May 2015 #147

+1 to the billionth. ucrdem May 2015 #104

Then why are members of congress subject to arrest if they disclose TPP details that they've read? cui bono May 2015 #83

They aren't MaggieD May 2015 #85

At what point in timem are you going to digest all the facts presented to you? cui bono May 2015 #99

Kick and Recommend. nt. polly7 May 2015 #54

There it is! How can anyone support this TPP? How? Enthusiast May 2015 #55

How? With investments in Wall St. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #80

What a nice peek from the inside, out Oilwellian May 2015 #57

it really is a peek inside cali May 2015 #62

Perhaps you should read the actual document ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #87

I'm reading it. You clearly are being most selective. cali May 2015 #92

Depraved indeed. blackspade May 2015 #66

Did you read any of the "damning" document? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #70

Yes. As is clear from my posts in this thread cali May 2015 #72

International Capital is meant for one thing only ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #71

well, how else will we be able to export American values, i.e. poor health Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #76

It's pretty clear by now that the TPP is merely a regulation buster and profit increaser cui bono May 2015 #78

Exactly. polly7 May 2015 #79

Yes. Anyone who isn't the 1% who is defending it is clearly a blind follower. cui bono May 2015 #82

And that is the problem. Many own a share of whatever those rats can scavenge. raouldukelives May 2015 #84

Yes, and very well stated, sad as it is to think that human beings care so little for those who will polly7 May 2015 #86

I fear you are correct for those that have gambled. cui bono May 2015 #137

WooHoo, cali, Thom Hartmann just called you out by name and referenced, I believe, this OP! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #94

hey, cool. last year he called out a thread of mine, not realizing it was satire cali May 2015 #97

"Burdensome labeling" ... TBF May 2015 #96