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7. True. It can only be said that the 99% did well under Clinton after NAFTA, not that NAFTA caused it.

Wed May 20, 2015, 08:44 PM

May 2015

... we are now told that the 22 million net new jobs created under Clinton were the result of NAFTA.

Anyone who claims that all the employment gains under Clinton were due to NAFTA is blowing hot air, as is anyone who claims the job losses under Bush were due to NAFTA.

Clinton was far better at managing the economy, though not perfect, than Reagan or either Bush. (Not unique to Clinton. The 99% almost always does better under Democratic presidents.) Much of the economic gains and losses was due to this, not NAFTA.

Trade with Mexico is 3% of our economy. Our trade deficit with Mexico is less than 1/2 of 1% of our economy. Trade with Mexico neither creates nor destroys millions of jobs. Trade is a good thing but the health of workers and the middle class is more a function of other government policies like progressive taxes, union support and safety nets than of trade.

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TPP has spawned massive propaganda and lies, especially concerning NAFTA and all the other fake [View all] Elwood P Dowd May 2015 OP

thanks for creating a great resource thread, elwood. cali May 2015 #1

K & fricking R. yourout May 2015 #2

K&R There is a difference between jobs and corporate profits and power. jwirr May 2015 #3

K&FuckingR...... daleanime May 2015 #4

DURec! bvar22 May 2015 #5

One of the mysteries. Enthusiast May 2015 #21

Why is this so F*ing hard to understand for some people. Phlem May 2015 #6

True. It can only be said that the 99% did well under Clinton after NAFTA, not that NAFTA caused it. pampango May 2015 #7

That can't be said either Mnpaul May 2015 #9

Jobs (manufacturing and overall) and wages (manufacturing and overall) rose and unemployment fell. pampango May 2015 #10

Manufacturing output went up Mnpaul May 2015 #12

The number of manufacturing jobs went up too. pampango May 2015 #15

This could be due to... Mnpaul May 2015 #18

We can speculate as to why manufacturing employment rose but rise it did. n/t pampango May 2015 #19

That was (and still is) a lot of our manufacturing output Recursion May 2015 #58

Proving how deceptive statistics can be depending on their context. JDPriestly May 2015 #44

excellent read blackspade May 2015 #8

There's a lot baloney in your source list. ucrdem May 2015 #11

I'm sure you would rather I post some of YOUR favorite links such as........ Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #13

If you get in the habit of making stuff up ucrdem May 2015 #14

Could you reference times when ucrdem has linked to any of those sites? pampango May 2015 #17

Thank you. nt ucrdem May 2015 #57

+1,000,000 .... Trajan May 2015 #51

Incidentally YOUR very first link is straight-up RW bullshit so I wouldn't give myself airs: ucrdem May 2015 #56

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Public Citizen is right wing bullshit? Just how low can you go? The right wingers hate Public Citzen Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #60

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #16

Kicked and recommended a whole bunch! Enthusiast May 2015 #20

Where Are The Globalization Cheerleaders? billhicks76 May 2015 #22

A couple of the usual suspects finally jumped in as usual. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #31

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I don't really see you getting banned for that. Agschmid May 2015 #24

Well, except for using the term "Democrat Party" Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #25

See that slipped right by me... Agschmid May 2015 #26

That's pretty much a red flag for DUers... Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #27

If you want to have any credibility... BillZBubb May 2015 #28

Have you read this GP6971 May 2015 #29

Here is another great link to add to your list Mnpaul May 2015 #30

Thanks for the post. Bookmarked for reference Populist_Prole May 2015 #32

K&R! Thanks, Elwood. n/t dgibby May 2015 #33

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^ BlancheSplanchnik May 2015 #49

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K&R&bookmark JEB May 2015 #36

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Worker owned democratic workplaces! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #42

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How? I haven't had a chance to digest the full TPP erronis May 2015 #47

I very much agree with your ideas. n/t truedelphi May 2015 #50

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Rec #100! cui bono May 2015 #41

K & R Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #43

proud to be rec number 110! n/t truedelphi May 2015 #48

I get it BootinUp May 2015 #52

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I feel like the dutch boy BootinUp May 2015 #54

K&R n/t Michigan-Arizona May 2015 #55