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redstateblues

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117. Obama was young and charismatic

Wed May 20, 2015, 11:15 PM

May 2015

Both Hillary(67) and Bernie(71) are older candidates and unlikely to fire up millenials like BHO did. Everybody knows Hillary though. Bernie doesn't have enough time and money. He has the fringe of DUers but he has no chance in any of the southern states. Millenials will not turn out for primaries.

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If we want to win in 2016, we need Bernie Sanders as our candidate. [View all] Scuba May 2015 OP

Was thinking of posting something earlier. Dawgs May 2015 #1

I don't think Bernie would even carry California taught_me_patience May 2015 #2

And you base that on...... daleanime May 2015 #10

Look outside the bubble taught_me_patience May 2015 #25

Ah, if your faith is in money..... daleanime May 2015 #34

It's too early to take polls seriously. Around this time in 2008 Hillary was killing her opponents Exilednight May 2015 #52

In 2014 the country voted for liberal policies (e.g., minimum wage) but did not ... Scuba May 2015 #53

Every Californian I know prefers Sanders over Clinton arcane1 May 2015 #56

Yeah ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #107

I said it down thread... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #110

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #111

It's a meme you'll be seeign from the conservative posters on DU Scootaloo May 2015 #103

Obama, at the time was in his early 40s. Bernie is 71 and does not redstateblues May 2015 #122

Oh yeah, I forgot the "old and feeble" bullshit meme, too. Thanks! Scootaloo May 2015 #123

^^^this^^^ L0oniX May 2015 #131

The opposite of extreme left... MaggieD May 2015 #136

So you define traditional, FDR Democrats as "Extreme Left" Kermitt Gribble May 2015 #148

Nice strawman.... MaggieD May 2015 #149

The "majority" here, Kermitt Gribble May 2015 #153

Maybe a Hilary-Bernie ticket would satisfy all the Dems and attract Independents and young people. olegramps May 2015 #21

That would make me puke. Enthusiast May 2015 #22

Me too MissDeeds May 2015 #30

Well, I see that the hatred of Hilary by some on this board has no limits. olegramps May 2015 #68

It's not hatred of Hillary. It's a realistic assessment of her corporatist inclinations. Enthusiast May 2015 #73

I don't find your assessment realistic. It appears to be driven by drama rather than facts. olegramps May 2015 #78

I'm No Drama Enthusiast and known for pragmatism. Enthusiast May 2015 #81

A vast majority of Democrats get all their political information Maedhros May 2015 #125

It's no worse than Kennedy-Johnson was Scootaloo May 2015 #104

Me too; but, for different reasons. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #108

And I'm with you there. Paka May 2015 #118

I don't think so taught_me_patience May 2015 #26

Bernie will take the youth vote. His integrity appeals to their idealism. AtomicKitten May 2015 #76

No it doesn't leftofcool May 2015 #80

Inform yourself. Read his Reddit AMA. AtomicKitten May 2015 #83

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #89

Good corrective policies are considered "smoke" Rilgin May 2015 #98

+1 TheNutcracker May 2015 #126

Ah yes. Scootaloo May 2015 #105

Yeah ...we don't want free higher education like Iraq used to have. L0oniX May 2015 #132

What possible Republican could beat Bernie? They aren't even normal. Enthusiast May 2015 #23

I think Bernie is the only one that can claim Mnpaul May 2015 #91

Excellent! Enthusiast May 2015 #92

they threw a pile of money at him in his first Senate run Mnpaul May 2015 #95

Vermont is a homogeneous state with one third the population of the San Fernando Valley. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #97

Obama's margin included a good chunk of moderate independents and liberal Republicans... brooklynite May 2015 #3

And if they don't like Hillary sanders should have no trouble JI7 May 2015 #5

But they do... brooklynite May 2015 #15

I was proud to vote for Obama, Paka May 2015 #120

Not to worry... brooklynite May 2015 #124

She won't get mine either.... peacebird May 2015 #146

Ok...still think she's got a cushion... brooklynite May 2015 #151

Just fyi, telling people their votes don't matter is not cool or respectful peacebird May 2015 #152

So lots of racists who hate Obama also hate Hillary? Ok. L0oniX May 2015 #133

Stick to NY MFrohike May 2015 #127

i Don't get this need to deny how much she is popular and liked JI7 May 2015 #4

Being liked is different than winning. Too many people are looking for real answers and Bernie is jwirr May 2015 #11

Respected? Yes. Liked? daleanime May 2015 #14

she is actually loved by many . obama won the nomination by getting JI7 May 2015 #17

There's a theory about her likability. AtomicKitten May 2015 #82

I don't see it as a NEED. Enthusiast May 2015 #24

Agreed and well stated. Vincardog May 2015 #88

Don't forget the huge Independent vote also which 'conventional' candidates will not get considering sabrina 1 May 2015 #6

And the youth. My non-voting grandson told me the other day that he was going to vote for Bernie. jwirr May 2015 #18

and I have seen many stating that they are returning to the party Mnpaul May 2015 #93

There is real excitement around him. I don't remember the last time we have seen anyone like him. jwirr May 2015 #96

Thank you. I have had that feeling also. Very good post. jwirr May 2015 #7

The problem with this argument is that even though people have been "taught to hate" her, DanTex May 2015 #8

And women who are Independents, centrists, and even some Republican women pnwmom May 2015 #13

Just like all those women voted SheilaT May 2015 #35

Voter turnout in 2014 was the worst in 72 years. joshcryer May 2015 #43

That should not have mattered, given SheilaT May 2015 #49

I think it matters since conservatives vote more solid in midterms. joshcryer May 2015 #61

Not you but I got agita when people compare mid term and general elections DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #99

Which points to the need for new Democratic leaders/new Democratic policies being heavily promoted. stillwaiting May 2015 #130

I never thought Wendy Davis had a chance in Republican texas. pnwmom May 2015 #44

Nope, you're wrong justiceischeap May 2015 #59

there was no common wisdom that Davis and Grimes would win , especially not Davis JI7 May 2015 #65

It really doesn't matter if we can capture R votes. The ones who do not change because of what jwirr May 2015 #19

The S word that we don't mention here on DU redstateblues May 2015 #112

Sanders, Hillary, Warren, O'Malley... NCTraveler May 2015 #9

I know its early but Bernie has this to loose madokie May 2015 #12

8 months til the first Democratic primary. AtomicKitten May 2015 #84

Bernie may get the Reagan Democrats back? kentuck May 2015 #16

The Reagan Democrats were made up of mostly labor, and they favored Reagan over Carter. It would still_one May 2015 #28

Bernie cannot win Florida unless he has a much bigger budget. Sancho May 2015 #20

it has only been like 3 weeks since he announced questionseverything May 2015 #90

No matter who wins the Democratic nomination it is not going to be a slam dunk. still_one May 2015 #27

But you can't judge non-presidential election year to a presidential one LynneSin May 2015 #40

Good points, LynneSin. kentuck May 2015 #45

Senate is statewide and not subject to gerrymandering still_one May 2015 #138

Consider this - in 2012 more Pennsylvanians voted to have a Dem represent them in the House LynneSin May 2015 #139

did not realize it was 60%. Excellent points, thanks for the info still_one May 2015 #137

I don't blame the GOP for the Congress we have... LynneSin May 2015 #140

Yup still_one May 2015 #145

I'm sorry, with the group of idiots on the GOP ticket, to say only Bernie could win 2016 LynneSin May 2015 #29

Do you really think that 60+ million Americans are going to vote for Bernie Sanders? George II May 2015 #31

The Democratic primary voters will decide Cali_Democrat May 2015 #32

What makes Bernie special is floriduck May 2015 #33

I bet the same thing was said of Kucinich in 2004 and 2008 on DU. MohRokTah May 2015 #36

No. We said that about Barack Hussein Obama. And we were mocked. nt NYC_SKP May 2015 #50

Everybody I knew thought Obama stood a damned good chance. MohRokTah May 2015 #66

I changed registration from Independent to Democrat to vote in the primary for him. olegramps May 2015 #70

Obama has tons on charisma, Bernie unfortunately doesn't redstateblues May 2015 #113

even the rightiest Orange County barfly perks up at Sanders vs. Hillary-Jeb MisterP May 2015 #37

The energy level for Bernie is similar to that of Jimmy Carter in 1975... kentuck May 2015 #38

We can get him if we make it happen. riqster May 2015 #39

the right is scared sh****ss of Hillary - they are spending every minute DrDan May 2015 #41

and we see every one of their talking points BainsBane May 2015 #48

not necessarily a bad thing - lets get this crap out now and not next year at this time DrDan May 2015 #51

Your argument is wishful thinking BainsBane May 2015 #42

He has no data... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #100

Realistic thinking like that has no place here on DU redstateblues May 2015 #119

She won 70% of the Latino vote against Barack Obama in 08. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #121

If we want to win in 2016 we need Hillary Laser102 May 2015 #46

"Backwoods, Louisiana" will vote for Hillary??? LMFAO L0oniX May 2015 #134

Any Democrat can beat the clown car. joshcryer May 2015 #47

I read those same words regarding Rand Paul - "Any Democrat can beat Rand" DrDan May 2015 #60

Really? joshcryer May 2015 #64

yep really - there were some here who did not see him as a viable candidate DrDan May 2015 #74

I think he's a joke for president. joshcryer May 2015 #85

Agree. Hillary has no case, not on values, and not on electability. True Blue Door May 2015 #54

He's a senator from a small homogeneous state.. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #101

like the man said shebornik May 2015 #55

I guess we could negotiate? kentuck May 2015 #57

all signs point to that being an insane POV Florencenj2point0 May 2015 #58

Are you actually paid by the Clinton Team? kentuck May 2015 #67

Why do folks insist on pointing out spelling mistakes? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #106

Well . . . because it is often a sign of a person who, shall I say, makes those signs Nay Jun 2015 #154

I only point out spelling mistakes DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #155

I saw that once! I really got a laugh out of that. nt Nay Jun 2015 #156

If we want to win in 2016, we need people to vote justiceischeap May 2015 #62

Are you suggesting the choice of candidates has no impact on turnout? Scuba May 2015 #63

That was rather confusing, wasn't it? kentuck May 2015 #71

I'm saying we could have the worst candidate in the world but if you get people excited to vote justiceischeap May 2015 #72

Don't you see the contradiction in your premise?? kentuck May 2015 #87

Obama was young and charismatic redstateblues May 2015 #117

oooops, the headline is just off Sheepshank May 2015 #69

he had a way with words, and a grasp on reality DrDan May 2015 #75

the reality is that same certainty was smugly expressed before AtomicKitten May 2015 #86

That is what campaigns are all about, may the best or most popular candidate win randys1 May 2015 #77

K & R Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #79

"The left is luke warm about her at best." So the many polls that show her with massive support Number23 May 2015 #94

I know right. KMOD May 2015 #102

Pardner, you know this place is a bubble... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #109

I think if you added up all the minorities (black, Asian, Hispanic, Arab etc.) on DU together Number23 May 2015 #114

That was no socialite, that was Pauline Kael, a film critic, and that's also not what she said. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #115

Even if it was apocryphal it expresses a larger truth. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #116

That's because of name recognition and the fact that most people don't pay as close attention cui bono May 2015 #144

I'm confused... Koinos May 2015 #128

Yes, conservatives and Republicans will be a little nicer to Bernie and go a little easier on him bluestateguy May 2015 #129

I'm Not Lukewarm! Gamecock Lefty May 2015 #135

Minorities etc. chev52 May 2015 #141

If Bernie won the nomination and got elected ... DrBulldog May 2015 #142

And by win, it's not only the election. The country wins if Bernie wins. cui bono May 2015 #143

as much as id like to see bernie win he wont rdking647 May 2015 #147

So if the right hates you just surrender workinclasszero May 2015 #150