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In reply to the discussion: Scientists Show Conspiracy Theorists Will Believe Anything [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)138. Like when the CIA hired the Mafia to kill Castro in 1960, yet still blames JFK for it?
If things had gone according to plan, Nixon would've been president during the Bay of Pigs and would've sent in the Marines, along with the Army, Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard, making Allen Dulles and Meyer Lansky and all their rich and corrupt friends very, very happy.
AUG 1960: Richard Bissell meets with Colonel Sheffield Edwards, director of the CIA's Office of Security, and discusses with him ways to eliminate or assassinate Fidel Castro. Edwards proposes that the job be done by assassins hand-picked by the American underworld, specifically syndicate interests who have been driven out of their Havana gambling casinos by the Castro regime. Bissell gives Edwards the go-ahead to proceed. Between August 1960, and April 1961, the CIA with the help of the Mafia pursues a series of plots to poison or shot Castro. The CIAs own internal report on these efforts states that these plots "were viewed by at least some of the participants as being merely one aspect of the over-all active effort to overthrow the regime that culminated in the Bay of Pigs." (CIA, Inspector General's Report on Efforts to Assassinate Fidel Castro, p. 3, 14)
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/bayofpigs/chron.html
Details on the actual sit-down:
Ever wonder about the sanity of America's leaders? Take a close look at perhaps the most bizarre plot in U.S. intelligence history
By Bryan Smith
Chicago Magazine
November 2007
(page 4 of 6)
EXCERPT...
By September 1960, the project was proceeding apace. Roselli would report directly to Maheu. The first step was a meeting in New York. There, at the Plaza Hotel, Maheu introduced Roselli to O'Connell. The agent wanted to cover up the participation of the CIA, so he pretended to be a man named Jim Olds who represented a group of wealthy industrialists eager to get rid of Castro so they could get back in business.
"We may know some people," Roselli said. Several weeks later, they all met at the Fontainebleau Hotel in Miami. For years, the luxurious facility had served as the unofficial headquarters for Mafioso leaders seeking a base close to their gambling interests in Cuba. Now, it would be the staging area for the assassination plots.
At a meeting in one of the suites, Roselli introduced Maheu to two men: Sam Gold and a man Roselli referred to as Joe, who could serve as a courier to Cuba. By this time, Roselli was on to O'Connell. "I'm not kidding," Roselli told the agent one day. "I know who you work for. But I'm not going to ask you to confirm it."
Roselli may have figured out that he was dealing with the CIA, but neither Maheu nor O'Connell realized the rank of mobsters with whom they were dealing. That changed when Maheu picked up a copy of the Sunday newspaper supplement Parade, which carried an article laying out the FBI's ten most wanted criminals. Leading the list was Sam Giancana, a.k.a. "Mooney," a.k.a. "Momo," a.k.a. "Sam the Cigar," a Chicago godfather who was one of the most feared dons in the countryand the man who called himself Sam Gold. "Joe" was also on the list. His real name, however, was Santos Trafficantethe outfit's Florida and Cuba chieftain.
Maheu alerted O'Connell. "My God, look what we're involved with," Maheu said. O'Connell told his superiors. Questioned later before the 1975 U.S. Senate Select Committee on Intelligence (later nicknamed the Church Committee after its chairman, Frank Church, the Democratic senator from Idaho), O'Connell was asked whether there had ever been any discussion about asking two men on the FBI's most wanted list to carry out a hit on a foreign leader.
"Not with me there wasn't," O'Connell answered.
"And obviously no one said stopand you went ahead."
"Yes."
"Did it bother you at all?"
"No," O'Connell answered, "it didn't."
CONTINUED...
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/November-2007/How-the-CIA-Enlisted-the-Chicago-Mob-to-Put-a-Hit-on-Castro/index.php?cparticle=4&siarticle=3
Yet, the Mighty Wurlitzer plays the false tune that Kennedy was the guy who wanted Castro dead.
Spies: Ex-CIA Agent In Raleigh Says Castro Knew About JFK Assassination Ahead Of Time
Former CIA agent and author Brian Latell in Raleigh
By The Raleigh Telegram
RALEIGH A noted former Central Intelligence Agency officer, author, and scholar who is intimately knowledgeable about Cuba and Fidel Castro, says he believes there is evidence that Castros government knew about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy in 1963 ahead of time.
SNIP...
Robert Kennedy, as the Attorney General of the United States, was in charge of the operation, said Latell. Despite the United States best efforts, the operation was nonetheless penetrated by Cuban intelligence agents, said Latell.
Latell said there were two serious assassination attempts by the United States against Castro that even used members of the mafia to help, but both of them were obviously unsuccessful.
He also said that there was a plot by the United States to have Castro jabbed with a pen containing a syringe filled with a very effective poison. Latell said that he believes the experienced assassin who worked for Castro who originally agreed to the plan may have been a double agent. After meeting with a personal representative of Robert Kennedy in Paris, the man knew that the plan to assassinate Castro came from the highest levels of the government, including John F. and Robert Kennedy.
The plan was never carried out, as the man later defected to the United States, but with so many double agents working for Castro also pledging allegiance to the CIA, Latell said it was likely that the information got back to Havana that the Kennedy brothers endorsed that plot with the pen.
CONTINUED...
http://raleightelegram.com/201209123311
Which to an amateur detective interested in justice would seem like a lead worth pursuing -- even if it doesn't fit in with my preconceived world view that the government of the United States never engages in a conspiracy, besides all those times its lied the American people into war.
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Ever since I finally decided to believe the official 911 explanation I've been much happier.
Gidney N Cloyd
May 2015
#1
Like when Bush and Cheney got to tell their ''stories'' together behind closed doors?
Octafish
May 2015
#147
Especially when they bring up conspiracies like the Dreyfus Affair or Iran-Contra.
LanternWaste
May 2015
#5
Nor can conspiracy-deniers. To them, a proven conspiracy is always a one-off.
WinkyDink
May 2015
#61
Both groups see in black and white and both are instantly defensive when called on it.
Rex
May 2015
#90
People that believe everything is a CS are just as sad as people that refuse to believe
Rex
May 2015
#15
UFOs, vacinnes causing autism, crop circles, chemtrails, communist flouridation plots...
Major Nikon
May 2015
#48
1. Crop circles exist. "Dave and Dave" aren't the creators. 2. GHWB mentioned "The New World Order."
WinkyDink
May 2015
#64
1) Crop circles as extraterrestrial creations have been debunked countless times.
NuclearDem
May 2015
#111
1. Did I mention aliens? 2. Your point's being? 3. My point was that plenty of smug people denied
WinkyDink
May 2015
#183
Biden said:“The affirmative task we have now is to actually create a new world order.”
nationalize the fed
May 2015
#108
No, just the people who try to connect those dots to the NWO conspriacy theory
Major Nikon
May 2015
#117
With conspiracy theory, the lack of evidence is itself evidence. It's self-reaffirming
Scootaloo
May 2015
#53
The reason they put the wacky CT's out there is to throw people off the trail of the legit ones...
NightWatcher
May 2015
#13
It is scary that there are people out there that believe that a conspiracy is impossible.
Rex
May 2015
#14
Nonsense it is in this very thread, I guess you just don't have the ability to notice
Rex
May 2015
#84
You are confusing anger with hysterical laughter over your magnificent faceplant
Major Nikon
May 2015
#122
Nah I want you to find it in this thread, you cannot because it is beyond your denying heart.
Rex
May 2015
#93
So you refuse to believe everything happens in a vacuum, yet everything is also not a CT?
Rex
May 2015
#22
CT = cult mentality in various shades for all tastes. Can't reason with a cultist. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#26
Because the initial induction into the cult is praise for learning the special knowledge...
freshwest
May 2015
#51
The subject was cults. There are many kinds of cults. Faux, WBC and many who refuse the label. n/t
freshwest
May 2015
#178
Obama has been fabulous for gun and ammo sales. The gun kooks buy buy buy when the
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#43
Aww don't take it personal, you can go on never believing a single CT like it matters.
Rex
May 2015
#67
Not only is there no evidence of a JFK conspiracy, but there is a huge body of evidence
DanTex
May 2015
#59
Please. A cursory reading of the evidence (and viewing the Z. film) shows TREES where none now are.
WinkyDink
May 2015
#79
You obviously have never read the Warren Report, because it clearly documents the fact
stopbush
May 2015
#113
Well, now, see, there logically CAN'T be evidence against a conspiracy. BTW: you are simply wrong.
WinkyDink
May 2015
#69
Including the now-1,400 (you read that right) UK men investigated for a pedo ring, with Savile?
WinkyDink
May 2015
#60
Do you believe J. E. Ray acted alone? Do you believe S. Sirhan fired umpteen shots when RFK wasn't
WinkyDink
May 2015
#97
You seriously aren't "familiar enough" with the assassination of RFK?? AND choose not to do even
WinkyDink
May 2015
#185
Can't find it in English, but it goes something like this (Gary Larson - The Far Side):
edgineered
May 2015
#106
The first sheep is like, it's like I told you, the dog and the man are working together.
bravenak
May 2015
#107
The broad phrase "conspiracy theorists" is constantly used to quash dissenting, PROGRESSIVE opinions
anti partisan
May 2015
#133
Like when the CIA hired the Mafia to kill Castro in 1960, yet still blames JFK for it?
Octafish
May 2015
#138