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lark

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73. Puzzling?

Thu May 21, 2015, 12:16 PM

May 2015

Why are your attacking HRC for Obama's bill? He (not she) is the one who hand picked all the corporate lobbyist to be trade reps. He's the one that didn't pick any union, labor or environment reps. to participate. Yes, I don't like that she was supporting this bill, but was it while she was SOS? Her job then was to support the Obama government. Has she come out and said she supports it now that she's not legally required to? Don't think so. And, I do want her to speak out on this, hopefully to damn it, but at least let us know her own true personal feelings about it.

However, I just don't understand all the HRC animus about this when so many are giving a pass to the one person more responsible for this job and environmental disaster - Obama.

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Wow. PLEASE READ. Last month the USTR released a document that illuminated US trade objectives [View all] cali May 2015 OP

Hope and Change. GeorgeGist May 2015 #1

I'm reading that document now. It's nation by nation cali May 2015 #5

Sorry, this isn't the nefarious text you think it is... JaneyVee May 2015 #68

And the small handful of ineffective defenders say... arcane1 May 2015 #2

The USTR: Front for U.S. corporations. cali May 2015 #6

Time to drown the TPP (Toiler Paper Parley) in the Crapper. imthevicar May 2015 #65

Kick. Luminous Animal May 2015 #3

Originally, just the leaked chapters contradicted Obama's statements on public interest law. pa28 May 2015 #4

I don't want to be accused of misleading anyone- I used the phrase trade objectives cali May 2015 #7

Thanks, will read it. But have already seen some of the cases against Countries who apparently have sabrina 1 May 2015 #8

Samer here. Public Citizen lists the cases brought to the NAFTA court on its website. JDPriestly May 2015 #98

and where are the cheerleaders for the TPP and "free trade"? cali May 2015 #9

They are drinking their mimosas - it's celebration time TBF May 2015 #95

Obamanomics - we are all supposed to STFU because we are "wrong" nt msongs May 2015 #10

Let's not. cali May 2015 #11

+1 Scuba May 2015 #12

Like hell I will. Speak out people- email 840high May 2015 #58

I know this isn't "sexy" or personality driven, but this is so revealing cali May 2015 #13

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #14

You're welcom, Willy. Thanks for the kick. I'm on Brazil now cali May 2015 #15

Great Work !!! - Keep 'Em Comin... WillyT May 2015 #16

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 May 2015 #75

Wish we had such a restriction. JDPriestly May 2015 #100

the deeper in the USTR report I dig, the more bizarre cali May 2015 #17

I can only imagine how much time you put into your information excavations. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #18

thanks Cali. This is VERY revealing and must be exposed! bbgrunt May 2015 #19

it really is. I'm on Costa Rica now. The USTR really doesn't like cali May 2015 #23

Thanks, Cali. My computer is so slow I can hardly open the document. JDPriestly May 2015 #101

"How easy is a bush supposed a bear." ucrdem May 2015 #20

You got nothing. cali May 2015 #22

Thanks I think... I missed that nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #21

kick cali May 2015 #24

K&R!!!!!!!!! n/t Michigan-Arizona May 2015 #25

This IS a joke nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #26

the bullshit out of the USTR is remarkable. cali May 2015 #28

cali and nadine questionseverything May 2015 #30

The more we learn about the TPP the more hideous it becomes..... /nt think May 2015 #27

Thank You For Sharing cantbeserious May 2015 #29

K & R historylovr May 2015 #31

This reminds me of the Summers memo Mnpaul May 2015 #32

Dumping toxic wast. That's what free trade is really about, I suspect. JDPriestly May 2015 #105

So, not a secret like I've been saying. MaggieD May 2015 #33

It's not a link to the TPP. neverforget May 2015 #34

Hint - there is MORE than enough info MaggieD May 2015 #35

you have never posted a link to this document cali May 2015 #36

I've posted links to the pages with documents. MaggieD May 2015 #37

you posted tpp propaganda. you did not post cali May 2015 #42

I don't read your links. 840high May 2015 #59

How often? I don't think I ever saw one. JDPriestly May 2015 #106

Hint: it's secret. It's not available for the public to read. neverforget May 2015 #38

Back to that canard? MaggieD May 2015 #39

who to believe? you or Senators Boxer,Brown,Warren and other dems cali May 2015 #43

Never believe any politician MaggieD May 2015 #44

lol. but you insist repeatedly that cali May 2015 #47

I believe based on what they do, not what they say MaggieD May 2015 #49

How did she vote on the IWR? BrotherIvan May 2015 #63

when she was actually last in government service (as SoS), her official position on the TPP was... Lagom May 2015 #64

Then you should be believing Sen. Boxer. cui bono May 2015 #89

Is she in jail and no one noticed? MaggieD May 2015 #93

Who said she was in jail? Surely you know what she said about notes, I mean you keep cui bono May 2015 #102

Congress will be jailed if they talk about the TPP! MaggieD May 2015 #110

That was not the post you responded to. cui bono May 2015 #115

Isn't that the meme? MaggieD May 2015 #117

Where did she disclose the details? cui bono May 2015 #121

According to you guys... MaggieD May 2015 #124

Where did I say that? Can you please provide me with a list of my heroes? cui bono May 2015 #125

So you agree that the "they will be jailed" thing.... MaggieD May 2015 #129

Nope. I posted the links. cui bono May 2015 #130

How come Jeff Sessions isn't in jail then? MaggieD May 2015 #132

Again, you have to actually read what the article says. cui bono May 2015 #133

The TPP is a scumbag document. I judge from the reactions of those senators and representatives JDPriestly May 2015 #107

I'm against it too MaggieD May 2015 #109

Did it ever occur to you that maybe the accusations are based on on conjecture as are yours JDPriestly May 2015 #113

Yeah, Obama is Dr. Jeykl and Mr. Hyde MaggieD May 2015 #116

Your points, one by one. JDPriestly May 2015 #119

Great, thanks - I am not in favor of the TPP MaggieD May 2015 #120

A lot of people disagree with you. cui bono May 2015 #126

Couldn't care less MaggieD May 2015 #127

Couldn't tell that from all your posts defending his fight for the TPP and its secrecy. cui bono May 2015 #128

Sorry - I don't even think about it.... MaggieD May 2015 #131

Doesn't answer what I asked at all. cui bono May 2015 #134

Personal gain for me? MaggieD May 2015 #135

Obama is a self-described moderate Republican. He is siding with the Cons on the TPP. cui bono May 2015 #136

Oh come on - tell the truth MaggieD May 2015 #141

No. He described HIMSELF as a moderate Republican. Happy to provide video: cui bono May 2015 #145

Does that include Prez. Obama? 840high May 2015 #60

The phrase ANY politician would include.... MaggieD May 2015 #61

But believe random internet people. cui bono May 2015 #88

Tell that to every United States Senator nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #45

There you go, missing the point again MaggieD May 2015 #51

Because the info does not reflect the reality of the treaty nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #52

Hint: It's not your only source MaggieD May 2015 #53

Well she had a role in it nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #56

Puzzling? lark May 2015 #73

And Junior nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #77

Think you are amusing yourself lark May 2015 #148

So a United States Ambasssador has more authority nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #149

OMG! lark May 2015 #150

So translation nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #151

OK, can't resist. lark May 2015 #152

If you think we have a government run by a dictator that is your prerogative I suppose nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #153

Wouldn't you like to know? JDPriestly May 2015 #111

I have informed myself with info available.... MaggieD May 2015 #114

Back to that canard? Claiming it's not secret yet not being able to link to the document. neverforget May 2015 #46

the ustr site is not a good resource for learning about the tpp cali May 2015 #40

Yet now it is suddenly MaggieD May 2015 #41

keep up with your high test truthiness, Mags! cali May 2015 #48

That's your "tell" MaggieD May 2015 #50

No tell. I genuinely find your schtick worthy of a laugh smilie- and cali May 2015 #67

I don't support the TPP MaggieD May 2015 #69

oh, bulloney. you defend it at every turn. cali May 2015 #74

Link to that? MaggieD May 2015 #81

No one believes what you say anymore. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #138

Aw, you say that to all the non-puretopians MaggieD May 2015 #139

No, I reserved that comment just for you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #140

Gosh, you mean I have to live with the horrible pain of.... MaggieD May 2015 #142

No. You have to live with yourself. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #143

Not a problem! MaggieD May 2015 #144

Oh please, you are all over this board so much defending it I'm wondering if you are Obama. cui bono May 2015 #90

Link to that? MaggieD May 2015 #91

Then why do you keep defending it? cui bono May 2015 #103

I'm not defending it.... MaggieD May 2015 #108

Oh, I see, so it's all about defending Obama. Got it. cui bono May 2015 #112

You got nothing MaggieD May 2015 #118

This message was self-deleted by its author cui bono May 2015 #122

Again, a link to a post that proves my point. cui bono May 2015 #123

many thanks for your continued kicking of this thread. cali May 2015 #146

You are very welcome! MaggieD May 2015 #147

+1 to the billionth. ucrdem May 2015 #104

Then why are members of congress subject to arrest if they disclose TPP details that they've read? cui bono May 2015 #83

They aren't MaggieD May 2015 #85

At what point in timem are you going to digest all the facts presented to you? cui bono May 2015 #99

Kick and Recommend. nt. polly7 May 2015 #54

There it is! How can anyone support this TPP? How? Enthusiast May 2015 #55

How? With investments in Wall St. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #80

What a nice peek from the inside, out Oilwellian May 2015 #57

it really is a peek inside cali May 2015 #62

Perhaps you should read the actual document ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #87

I'm reading it. You clearly are being most selective. cali May 2015 #92

Depraved indeed. blackspade May 2015 #66

Did you read any of the "damning" document? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #70

Yes. As is clear from my posts in this thread cali May 2015 #72

International Capital is meant for one thing only ... Fantastic Anarchist May 2015 #71

well, how else will we be able to export American values, i.e. poor health Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #76

It's pretty clear by now that the TPP is merely a regulation buster and profit increaser cui bono May 2015 #78

Exactly. polly7 May 2015 #79

Yes. Anyone who isn't the 1% who is defending it is clearly a blind follower. cui bono May 2015 #82

And that is the problem. Many own a share of whatever those rats can scavenge. raouldukelives May 2015 #84

Yes, and very well stated, sad as it is to think that human beings care so little for those who will polly7 May 2015 #86

I fear you are correct for those that have gambled. cui bono May 2015 #137

WooHoo, cali, Thom Hartmann just called you out by name and referenced, I believe, this OP! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #94

hey, cool. last year he called out a thread of mine, not realizing it was satire cali May 2015 #97

"Burdensome labeling" ... TBF May 2015 #96