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12. If TPA passes we're leaving that entirely up to the Republicans.

Thu May 21, 2015, 02:55 PM

May 2015

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I keep hearing an argument along the lines of: 'nothing to worry about Congress will get to see TPP and the public will get to see it and they'll vote "no" if it's a bad agreement'.

Touble is they leave out the fact we have a Republican controlled congress and Wyden left no recourse for Democrats to stop the fast track process if the conditions laid out in the TPA bill are not met.

Transparency requirements, labor protections, environmental protections and enforcement are now at the mercy of Republicans subjective opinion. Remember, they didn't want these requirements in the bill in the first place and now we're leaving it up to them to make sure the final TPP draft meets our conditions.

If you read the TPA bill our recourse looks something like this. If you are a Congressman or Senator and you believe the required conditions have not been met you can address your complaint to the relevent committee chair.

Chairman Ryan at Ways and Means or Chairman Hatch at Senate Finance. They'll be sure to help you out.

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Regarding TPP, if it passes: Do We The People have ANY recourse to prevent its implementation? [View all] AzDar May 2015 OP

no cali May 2015 #1

I'm going with screwed rock May 2015 #2

burn down the country. we stopped a war, we can stop roguevalley May 2015 #47

Seriously? When was the last time "we stopped a war"? Hekate May 2015 #81

Nope. Democracy will have been subverted. djean111 May 2015 #3

you have recourse, the same if you think police shooting black jaywalkers is over the line NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #4

Seven ways to Sunday, we no longer get a day off. Other than contacting Autumn May 2015 #5

No, once it passes the President, whoever that turns out to be will have had the powers sabrina 1 May 2015 #6

Now Hear This: "We the People" elect representatives in Congress MineralMan May 2015 #7

Most of us have been doing just that very thing for years, in my case over 40. Autumn May 2015 #10

last election had the lowest turnout since the 40's so no most of us are not voting Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #19

Most of us here, since I'm posting on DU. Autumn May 2015 #20

well you left out the word 'here' and im not a mind reader Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #23

Inferring an obvious and simple intent can be difficult. LanternWaste May 2015 #28

Congress is excluded from the negotiations AgingAmerican May 2015 #72

They get to vote yes or no on TPP. MineralMan May 2015 #73

Sounds to me that a huge demonstration in DC when the vote us called is needed this time. I jwirr May 2015 #75

I think Franken and Klobuchar will vote against it. MineralMan May 2015 #78

So do I. They both know what the Unions think about it and we are all contacting them when it is jwirr May 2015 #80

They are being excluded from the negotiations AgingAmerican May 2015 #82

Another reason we need to GOTV and elect Democrats to Congress. MineralMan May 2015 #83

See my post #84, MM. Hekate May 2015 #85

Thanks, Hekate! MineralMan May 2015 #86

True, but having a president on our side would help too AgingAmerican May 2015 #87

Nope. Well and truly fucked. truebrit71 May 2015 #8

In the short term...No. Not unless we were like the charactors in this book I'm reading. BlueJazz May 2015 #9

Name of the book? jwirr May 2015 #74

He's writing it. His name is James Hanna. It's about 4/5 done. BlueJazz May 2015 #88

Good. This is a very important part of our history and we need to remember it now. jwirr May 2015 #89

Buy a big vat of chinese vaseline. JEB May 2015 #11

If TPA passes we're leaving that entirely up to the Republicans. pa28 May 2015 #12

Another fact: President Obama is a Democrat. tridim May 2015 #24

Until he leaves office. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #30

Pointless distinction, it is his deal. If he was against he wouldn't submit it in the first place. TheKentuckian May 2015 #36

Exactly my reaction Populist_Prole May 2015 #69

I gave up on the guy when he took no stand against the public option. truedelphi May 2015 #79

Zero, Zip. El Zilcho. hifiguy May 2015 #13

The only recourse we have is to NOT VOTE FOR THE JERKS THAT PASSED IT. Maedhros May 2015 #14

Vote independent. 840high May 2015 #15

I vote for the candidates that best represent my views. Maedhros May 2015 #16

people throwing their votes away is what gave us the tea-billies Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #21

Democrats running for office slightly right of center is what gives us tea party reps. If they would Exilednight May 2015 #32

Dems throwing us away is what 840high May 2015 #38

yeah how's that going for you? you get any of your candidates elected? Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #62

I'm here to help elect Sanders. 840high May 2015 #67

Where possible don't use the capitalists' system erronis May 2015 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author Corruption Inc May 2015 #17

We screwed. City Lights May 2015 #18

A constitutionality challenge AZ Progressive May 2015 #22

The current court is as corporate friendly and corrupt as any in history Doctor_J May 2015 #25

If a Democrat doesn't get into the White House in 2016, yes AZ Progressive May 2015 #26

Nope. Just have to eat the shit sandwich again. PeteSelman May 2015 #27

Get ready to bend over and grease up for the next six years. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #29

It's inevitable... AZ Progressive May 2015 #31

The fast-track authority last 6 years...the damage will last at least a generation HereSince1628 May 2015 #33

I've suggested a mass campaign of civil disobedience Jack Rabbit May 2015 #35

Well, my off the cuff answer was a socialist revolution...... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #37

There really needs to be some kind of organization leading the movement. Jack Rabbit May 2015 #39

Without the seizure of political power by the proletariat....... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #41

What kind of workers' party do you propose? Jack Rabbit May 2015 #45

blind pig. Yeah we probably did. Some of us more fundamentalist Bolsheviks..... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #64

Give me a time frame aspirant May 2015 #65

I have no fucking idea. It takes the time it takes and depends.......... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #68

Long time or even forever" is a no go aspirant May 2015 #70

Sue on constitutional grounds. mmonk May 2015 #40

TPP is not a treaty. MohRokTah May 2015 #63

Sue on constitutional grounds, aspirant May 2015 #66

We could riot. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #42

Riots will come in time. F4lconF16 May 2015 #52

Stop buying imports. yallerdawg May 2015 #43

1,000 people in Japan are suing their government over it magical thyme May 2015 #44

You can always find some like-minded people and go to war Blue_Tires May 2015 #46

Yes, you can contact your rep and senators. Their job is to represent you in Congress. ucrdem May 2015 #48

^^ p.s. the purpose of TPA is to give you at least 60 days to do this. nt ucrdem May 2015 #49

LOL. I can think of 13 who couldn't give a FLYING FUCK about what their constituents think. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #53

Feinstein is one of my Senators and on this vote she represented my views. ucrdem May 2015 #54

No shit... well she's one of MY Senators too, and she can take a flying fuck at a rolling doughnut. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #55

Okay the vote didn't go as you'd hoped. That's democracy. It's not the end of the world ucrdem May 2015 #56

TPP has unanimous republican support in the Senate. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #57

It's bipartisan legislation. The fact that most Dems skedaddled when the going got tough ucrdem May 2015 #58

Why do I get the feeling that to you, "skedaddled" = nothing more than "deserted President Obama"? cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #59

They did, and it's a disgrace, but no surprise. ucrdem May 2015 #60

Got it. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #61

Perhaps the time will be at hand. 99Forever May 2015 #50

I automatically boycott everything but a few products, mostly food. hunter May 2015 #51

The only recourse we have is to actually vote these people out of office. We have given into this liberal_at_heart May 2015 #71

The only Bipartisanship that doesn't kill us now is between orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #77

This is more deadly then anyone can imagine, Terror we'll pay for . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #76

I know this is not going to be a popular opinion here, but I still trust Obama's character & record Hekate May 2015 #84