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Octafish

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112. No, that's what HAPPENED.

Thu May 21, 2015, 08:37 PM

May 2015

Seriously. Ask Mark Lombardi, if only we could.

Among other organizations, NYC artist Mark Lombardi studied the Bush Organized Crime Family and drew connections between the players, events and times, forming social network diagrams.

"George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens."

He made dozens of these "Social Network Diagrams," connecting the dots between Bushes and bin Ladens and BCCI and the Mafia and CIA and so on.

Above is a detail from "George W. Bush, Harken Energy and Jackson Stephens." Note the Bin Laden -- James R. Bath -- George W. Bush linkage. It was made in 1999. Lombardi was found hanged in his loft in 2000. After 9-11, one NYC gallery reported FBI types came in and inspected his works.

Obsessive—Generous: Toward a Diagram of Mark Lombardi

http://web.archive.org/web/20020206061318/http://wburg.com/0202/arts/lombardi.html

They sure were suicided, just for knowing how the dots connected. Please visit the Obsessive-Generous link at Internet Archive's Wayback Machine and download the article. The way people disappear, electrons and the ideas they convey don't stand much of a chance. That's why it's better to know than being an ostrich.

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kick samsingh May 2015 #1

thank you for pointing that out about webb's "suicide". niyad May 2015 #2

Webb was a brave man. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #155

Press went out of their way to help CIA ruin Gary Webb. Octafish May 2015 #3

It was hersh what they did to Mr. Webb. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #138

Rather un-Manning, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #140

Yep! Jesus Malverde May 2015 #141

Gulf of Tonkin Incident is such crapola that NSA to this day doesn't like it mentioned. Octafish May 2015 #4

Coincidences are fun! SO much nicer than to believe the 1% might not value our lives over war WinkyDink May 2015 #191

None of those theories defy logic or science hack89 May 2015 #5

I think real planes were used, dgibby May 2015 #6

It is certainly true that PNAC scum JEB May 2015 #10

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Thanks. dgibby May 2015 #18

I find it very disheartening that the PNAC crew JEB May 2015 #21

Me too BrotherIvan May 2015 #26

Tells you something, doesn't it. Enthusiast May 2015 #68

PNAC and AIPAC sulphurdunn May 2015 #180

And one of their people awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #84

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I wish more people who examine the conspiracy that lead to the Iraq war OnyxCollie May 2015 #161

Evidence? Preferably some that isn't circumstantial... YoungDemCA May 2015 #44

Interesting theory there. JEB May 2015 #48

Not a theory at all. The burden of proof is on those claiming LIHOP YoungDemCA May 2015 #51

You don't think the PNAC faithful JEB May 2015 #54

It wasn't an "off-handed" comment. Jerry442 May 2015 #93

There are plausible LIHOP or MIHOP CTs hack89 May 2015 #14

No, there really aren't. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #22

LIHOP is what all the evidence shows. Schema Thing May 2015 #24

The look on w's face JEB May 2015 #45

I detected fear and guilt. Like he knew it was coming but was still shocked. Enthusiast May 2015 #174

And I still entertain the notion of MIHOP - truedelphi May 2015 #53

I hadn't heard that, but it fits well with LIHOP Schema Thing May 2015 #60

btw, that seems to be myth Schema Thing May 2015 #63

Again, Condie Rice appeared on CNN and was interviewed by reporters. truedelphi May 2015 #65

I'm not finding it. I think that would be all over the net if it existed. Schema Thing May 2015 #73

Nonsense. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #71

You must not know what Bush knew. Octafish May 2015 #36

That's not a smoking gun for "LIHOP" at all YoungDemCA May 2015 #43

Attorney General John Ashcroft warned not to fly commercial flights in July 2001. Octafish May 2015 #107

Where's the smoking gun? MohRokTah May 2015 #72

Incompetent or not, they knew... Schema Thing May 2015 #76

And they chalked it up to impossible. MohRokTah May 2015 #82

Oh please, you're being ridiculous Schema Thing May 2015 #97

Bulkshit MohRokTah May 2015 #103

no! wildbilln864 May 2015 #117

NO! MohRokTah May 2015 #119

WRONG! wildbilln864 May 2015 #124

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I'm With You Moh ProfessorGAC May 2015 #175

What would a LIHOP smoking gun look like anyway? Jerry442 May 2015 #98

A few of the thousands who would have had to know coming forward. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #104

nonsense! wildbilln864 May 2015 #118

IT would ahve taken thousands of peole being in on the conspiracy for there to have been a conspirac MohRokTah May 2015 #120

again that's your opinion! wildbilln864 May 2015 #125

Take it to Creative Speculation where it belongs. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #130

no! wildbilln864 May 2015 #131

ALERT! MohRokTah May 2015 #132

roflmao... wildbilln864 May 2015 #134

Bush was warned of OBL hijacked jet threat at Genoa G-8 summit in July 2001. Octafish May 2015 #108

More tinfoil at nuttery MohRokTah May 2015 #109

No, that's what HAPPENED. Octafish May 2015 #112

damn, that link is toast... druidity33 May 2015 #113

Sorry. Sometimes the truth attracts the wrong elements. Octafish May 2015 #129

Thanks for your opinion. wildbilln864 May 2015 #116

Haha! They wre competent beyond your ken! 9/11 is why Election '00 was fixed! WinkyDink May 2015 #187

. MohRokTah May 2015 #195

That's some powerful refutation! WinkyDink May 2015 #186

It was likely LIHOP hifiguy May 2015 #40

Who do you think "LIHOP"? YoungDemCA May 2015 #42

But that's not the way it works. Jerry442 May 2015 #96

Do you have any links to the vigorous DU argument in favor of holographic projection? I missed it. GoneFishin May 2015 #7

See post 11. nt hack89 May 2015 #12

Links for that? I somehow missed those. Thanks! nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #8

You have to go to the DU2 9/11 Forum hack89 May 2015 #11

Thanks hack! nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #16

OMG. And some of these people would consider themselves "educated" I bet. 7962 May 2015 #17

Blast from the past, there... SidDithers May 2015 #25

Oy, i had hoped the 911 hologram days were over. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #28

I wonder who those trolls were working for? Got any idea? sabrina 1 May 2015 #37

I don't think they were working for anyone... SidDithers May 2015 #49

Yes, they sure do look like textbook examples of black propaganda Electric Monk May 2015 #62

Yes, read about them long ago when they first began to appear as more and more people began sabrina 1 May 2015 #64

Yes they definitely do. GoneFishin May 2015 #143

... Rex May 2015 #78

This entire thread has become filled with tinfoilhat nutters MohRokTah May 2015 #133

I remember this classic NobodyHere May 2015 #33

Chicken wire disproves 9/11! NuclearDem May 2015 #86

Yet it was never covered by the mainstream media. NobodyHere May 2015 #87

Such bad method! ARGH! My inner science teacher wants to call their parents Scootaloo May 2015 #114

Thanks for the first link. OilemFirchen May 2015 #106

I've seen the "holograph" nonsense elsewhere, but not here. Yet. 7962 May 2015 #9

See post 11. nt hack89 May 2015 #13

Many deniers just accept every 'story' told to them by the authorities. Thank the gods sabrina 1 May 2015 #23

Holographs aside, I am pretty well convinced that Cheney knew it was coming and he NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #29

I know one thing, faith in our government is at an alltime low, and 'official stories' are just that sabrina 1 May 2015 #30

I always remember what George said, NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #31

I like verification for any story anyone tells me. When there is none, then I'm with George sabrina 1 May 2015 #39

There's a difference between being a CT'er and being a skeptic/critical thinker YoungDemCA May 2015 #46

Yes, thanks for the lecture. I think we know what a critical thinker is. THOSE are the ones sabrina 1 May 2015 #150

+++ I hate liars May 2015 #181

No problem. Having been exposed to it back in the Bush era, I recognize it when I see it. sabrina 1 May 2015 #182

I agree with what you are pointing out. However, some try to shut off legitimate skepticism rhett o rick May 2015 #198

Are we a nation of sheep unless we think they are lying all the time treestar May 2015 #135

A nation of sheep believed the lies told by Bush/Cheney re Mushroom clouds heading our way sabrina 1 May 2015 #151

Well said! Thank you. n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #152

And to be clear, we were called CTs, who 'always thought the worst of America' and sabrina 1 May 2015 #153

Agree with your point, but I think the ~70% number is bogus.. I hate liars May 2015 #183

Well stated Sabrina 1 MysticHuman May 2015 #202

+1 YoungDemCA May 2015 #41

Deniers are just as sad as hardcore theorists. Both see things in black and white. Rex May 2015 #75

No. It's based on EVIDENCE. alarimer May 2015 #79

Deniers are sad little people, just like hardcore CTers. Rex May 2015 #80

Name the ONE CS that you think is real that most people deny! I will give it a serious look. nt Logical May 2015 #169

How about the CS to invade Iraq? I hate liars May 2015 #184

Waste of time, that poster really could care less about honest discussion. Rex May 2015 #193

I think you mean "couldn't care less". nt Logical May 2015 #199

#80 Rex May 2015 #194

LOL, No CTer ever names one. Because they are all 100% bullshit. nt Logical May 2015 #200

"defended with great vigor on DU" wildbilln864 May 2015 #115

That theory is not allowed to be discussed on DU. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #158

The rules changed when we moved to DU3 hack89 May 2015 #170

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Thank you. The whole article is worth a read. jwirr May 2015 #19

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I chuckle BrotherIvan May 2015 #27

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You're not asking questions though YoungDemCA May 2015 #47

Excuse me? I am responding to 'theory' that anyone who asks questions is labeled sabrina 1 May 2015 #55

Tinfoil hatter works just fine for me. NuclearDem May 2015 #58

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And just in time too .. to impose Obama's black power and his Muslim Sharia law :-) progree May 2015 #56

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"The liberal plan for global government." Does that mean the TPP? tclambert May 2015 #178

Oh, just go to the link and see the Bircher screed, brought to you by the Koch bros. freshwest May 2015 #179

CIA Report on Contras and Cocaine Volume 2 (Namebase archives) bobthedrummer May 2015 #35

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I respectfully disagree MysticHuman May 2015 #203

In North Korea all goodness is the fruit of their beloved leader and... hunter May 2015 #52

kick for later n/t hootinholler May 2015 #57

The Truth, that shall set us free, is out there - but truedelphi May 2015 #59

Convenient you leave out how there would have been no way for Semmelweis to explain how NuclearDem May 2015 #61

Your statement that he had no way to demonstrate it is wrong, wrong, wrong. truedelphi May 2015 #67

He had no way to demonstrate how the infections occurred. NuclearDem May 2015 #69

There were two prior historical medical events that truedelphi May 2015 #94

heck, on DU I've seen Semmelweis's case as proof that The System Always Works-- MisterP May 2015 #100

thank you for the link heaven05 May 2015 #74

I don't know what is worse, deniers or theorists that won't listen to obvious evidence. Rex May 2015 #77

Depends on what you mean by denier. alarimer May 2015 #81

Obviously someone as binary as a CTer that believes every CT ever made. Rex May 2015 #83

The Binary CT process: show a particular CT to be wrong validates the official cover story leveymg May 2015 #89

Yeah that is one of the most popular ways to denounce a CT, seen it here over the years. Rex May 2015 #91

And 911 was not an inside job and the resulting multi billion dollar surveillance of everyone OffWithTheirHeads May 2015 #85

nope heaven05 May 2015 #88

Would somebody please turn off the stove? dgibby May 2015 #92

Because reality works like in the movies. NuclearDem May 2015 #99

You are correct. They have an infinite budget and cameras are cheap. I am sure they have GoneFishin May 2015 #144

I'm right in the pot with you and the water is really HOT! snappyturtle May 2015 #95

I wonder if the people in this thread who are supisious of LIHOP are people that might BlueJazz May 2015 #90

The Truth movement can't even agree what the truth is hack89 May 2015 #101

we don't know... wildbilln864 May 2015 #123

If you can't articulate an alternate hack89 May 2015 #126

yes I do! wildbilln864 May 2015 #128

That's bullshit. GoneFishin May 2015 #145

The IK at the bottom of the post = I'm Kidding. BlueJazz May 2015 #146

Is that sort of like the notes that Felix left Oscar. Major Hogwash May 2015 #162

I watched the show like it was church. The chemistry was awesome and wonderful! BlueJazz May 2015 #165

LIHOP is the biggest pile of bullshit since the moon landing deniers. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #121

that's the great thing about conspiracy theories treestar May 2015 #136

some probably, but the truth is actually Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #172

Credible HassleCat May 2015 #102

K&R valerief May 2015 #105

Give the CT tree a shake and all the wackadoos fall out. n/t X_Digger May 2015 #110

Ain't that the truth. nt YoungDemCA May 2015 #192

9 and 10 are highly questionable Blue_Tires May 2015 #111

Well this thread has turned into a "Creative Speculation" thread in GD. MohRokTah May 2015 #122

Could anything else have happened? Over a hundred Recs, too. I have to mention one conspiracy that freshwest May 2015 #142

Makes me sick. MohRokTah May 2015 #148

Oh, it's been taken over. And it's not going anywhere. The problem here is the Juries. freshwest May 2015 #149

I like that 2nd sig pic you've got, the guy with the sunglasses, and I'm all out of bubblegum. Electric Monk May 2015 #159

LOVE that flick! Yes, I'm all outta bubblegun, too. ROFLMAO! n/t freshwest May 2015 #160

Pretzel Warrior aka functioning_cog is leaving DU again, but this time by choice? Huzzah! Electric Monk May 2015 #157

Unfounded accusations. MohRokTah May 2015 #164

. Guy Whitey Corngood May 2015 #166

I don't buy it. Where's the smoking musket? WinkyDink May 2015 #190

Thanks and k & r! n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #127

I'm convinced TWA Flight 800 will be there one day Reter May 2015 #137

No, but the truth IS out there. Hundreds of eyewitnesses ignored. Illegal take-over by the FBI. WinkyDink May 2015 #185

Kick. GoneFishin May 2015 #147

Forgot Hostages for Votes in 1980. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #156

treason and election thefts get a pass reddread May 2015 #168

As far as conspiracies are concerned, I'm a Suspicionist ... nikto May 2015 #163

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and there are many officially admitted false-flag attacks throughout history Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #173

Even a stopped clock is right once in awhile but it does not mean you cstanleytech May 2015 #177

So you're a Coincidence Theorist, eh? WinkyDink May 2015 #188

Well, if it will make you feel better for me to say yes then sure whatever makes cstanleytech May 2015 #196

Some people are expecting courtroom proof, or else to them no proof at all exists. That's their big WinkyDink May 2015 #189

I would settle for just actual evidence, no speculation or crackpot theories like the cstanleytech May 2015 #197

181 recs so far. wildbilln864 May 2015 #201