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Octafish

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129. Sorry. Sometimes the truth attracts the wrong elements.

Thu May 21, 2015, 09:31 PM

May 2015

Thank Snowden it's easy to round them -- and us -- all up in one spot.

Try these:

Of Friendsters and Foes
The conspiracy art of Mark Lombardi: Crime-fighting tool—or 'just here to help'?
http://www.villagevoice.com/2003-12-09/news/of-friendsters-and-foes/

Mark Lombardi: Global (Conspiracy) Networks
http://www.steamshovelpress.com/altmedia18.html

Mark Lombardi (from DU2)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3331075&mesg_id=3334486

The link at bottom still works in Wayback:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040404115405/http://www.designobserver.com/archives/000072.html

For those new to the subject of how Bushes and bin Ladens have LONG known each other:

James R Bath Links Bush and BFEE to House of Bin Laden
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3234845

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Conspiracy Theories that turned out not to be "Theories". [View all] MysticHuman May 2015 OP

kick samsingh May 2015 #1

thank you for pointing that out about webb's "suicide". niyad May 2015 #2

Webb was a brave man. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #155

Press went out of their way to help CIA ruin Gary Webb. Octafish May 2015 #3

It was hersh what they did to Mr. Webb. Jesus Malverde May 2015 #138

Rather un-Manning, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #140

Yep! Jesus Malverde May 2015 #141

Gulf of Tonkin Incident is such crapola that NSA to this day doesn't like it mentioned. Octafish May 2015 #4

Coincidences are fun! SO much nicer than to believe the 1% might not value our lives over war WinkyDink May 2015 #191

None of those theories defy logic or science hack89 May 2015 #5

I think real planes were used, dgibby May 2015 #6

It is certainly true that PNAC scum JEB May 2015 #10

PNAC is still very well represented in the State Department Octafish May 2015 #15

Thanks. dgibby May 2015 #18

I find it very disheartening that the PNAC crew JEB May 2015 #21

Me too BrotherIvan May 2015 #26

Tells you something, doesn't it. Enthusiast May 2015 #68

PNAC and AIPAC sulphurdunn May 2015 #180

And one of their people awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #84

Oh, you noticed that NeoCons are running policy from... Anansi1171 May 2015 #154

I wish more people who examine the conspiracy that lead to the Iraq war OnyxCollie May 2015 #161

Evidence? Preferably some that isn't circumstantial... YoungDemCA May 2015 #44

Interesting theory there. JEB May 2015 #48

Not a theory at all. The burden of proof is on those claiming LIHOP YoungDemCA May 2015 #51

You don't think the PNAC faithful JEB May 2015 #54

It wasn't an "off-handed" comment. Jerry442 May 2015 #93

There are plausible LIHOP or MIHOP CTs hack89 May 2015 #14

No, there really aren't. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #22

LIHOP is what all the evidence shows. Schema Thing May 2015 #24

The look on w's face JEB May 2015 #45

I detected fear and guilt. Like he knew it was coming but was still shocked. Enthusiast May 2015 #174

And I still entertain the notion of MIHOP - truedelphi May 2015 #53

I hadn't heard that, but it fits well with LIHOP Schema Thing May 2015 #60

btw, that seems to be myth Schema Thing May 2015 #63

Again, Condie Rice appeared on CNN and was interviewed by reporters. truedelphi May 2015 #65

I'm not finding it. I think that would be all over the net if it existed. Schema Thing May 2015 #73

Nonsense. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #71

You must not know what Bush knew. Octafish May 2015 #36

That's not a smoking gun for "LIHOP" at all YoungDemCA May 2015 #43

Attorney General John Ashcroft warned not to fly commercial flights in July 2001. Octafish May 2015 #107

Where's the smoking gun? MohRokTah May 2015 #72

Incompetent or not, they knew... Schema Thing May 2015 #76

And they chalked it up to impossible. MohRokTah May 2015 #82

Oh please, you're being ridiculous Schema Thing May 2015 #97

Bulkshit MohRokTah May 2015 #103

no! wildbilln864 May 2015 #117

NO! MohRokTah May 2015 #119

WRONG! wildbilln864 May 2015 #124

. MohRokTah May 2015 #176

I'm With You Moh ProfessorGAC May 2015 #175

What would a LIHOP smoking gun look like anyway? Jerry442 May 2015 #98

A few of the thousands who would have had to know coming forward. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #104

nonsense! wildbilln864 May 2015 #118

IT would ahve taken thousands of peole being in on the conspiracy for there to have been a conspirac MohRokTah May 2015 #120

again that's your opinion! wildbilln864 May 2015 #125

Take it to Creative Speculation where it belongs. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #130

no! wildbilln864 May 2015 #131

ALERT! MohRokTah May 2015 #132

roflmao... wildbilln864 May 2015 #134

Bush was warned of OBL hijacked jet threat at Genoa G-8 summit in July 2001. Octafish May 2015 #108

More tinfoil at nuttery MohRokTah May 2015 #109

No, that's what HAPPENED. Octafish May 2015 #112

damn, that link is toast... druidity33 May 2015 #113

Sorry. Sometimes the truth attracts the wrong elements. Octafish May 2015 #129

Thanks for your opinion. wildbilln864 May 2015 #116

Haha! They wre competent beyond your ken! 9/11 is why Election '00 was fixed! WinkyDink May 2015 #187

. MohRokTah May 2015 #195

That's some powerful refutation! WinkyDink May 2015 #186

It was likely LIHOP hifiguy May 2015 #40

Who do you think "LIHOP"? YoungDemCA May 2015 #42

But that's not the way it works. Jerry442 May 2015 #96

Do you have any links to the vigorous DU argument in favor of holographic projection? I missed it. GoneFishin May 2015 #7

See post 11. nt hack89 May 2015 #12

Links for that? I somehow missed those. Thanks! nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #8

You have to go to the DU2 9/11 Forum hack89 May 2015 #11

Thanks hack! nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #16

OMG. And some of these people would consider themselves "educated" I bet. 7962 May 2015 #17

Blast from the past, there... SidDithers May 2015 #25

Oy, i had hoped the 911 hologram days were over. NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #28

I wonder who those trolls were working for? Got any idea? sabrina 1 May 2015 #37

I don't think they were working for anyone... SidDithers May 2015 #49

Yes, they sure do look like textbook examples of black propaganda Electric Monk May 2015 #62

Yes, read about them long ago when they first began to appear as more and more people began sabrina 1 May 2015 #64

Yes they definitely do. GoneFishin May 2015 #143

... Rex May 2015 #78

This entire thread has become filled with tinfoilhat nutters MohRokTah May 2015 #133

I remember this classic NobodyHere May 2015 #33

Chicken wire disproves 9/11! NuclearDem May 2015 #86

Yet it was never covered by the mainstream media. NobodyHere May 2015 #87

Such bad method! ARGH! My inner science teacher wants to call their parents Scootaloo May 2015 #114

Thanks for the first link. OilemFirchen May 2015 #106

I've seen the "holograph" nonsense elsewhere, but not here. Yet. 7962 May 2015 #9

See post 11. nt hack89 May 2015 #13

Many deniers just accept every 'story' told to them by the authorities. Thank the gods sabrina 1 May 2015 #23

Holographs aside, I am pretty well convinced that Cheney knew it was coming and he NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #29

I know one thing, faith in our government is at an alltime low, and 'official stories' are just that sabrina 1 May 2015 #30

I always remember what George said, NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #31

I like verification for any story anyone tells me. When there is none, then I'm with George sabrina 1 May 2015 #39

There's a difference between being a CT'er and being a skeptic/critical thinker YoungDemCA May 2015 #46

Yes, thanks for the lecture. I think we know what a critical thinker is. THOSE are the ones sabrina 1 May 2015 #150

+++ I hate liars May 2015 #181

No problem. Having been exposed to it back in the Bush era, I recognize it when I see it. sabrina 1 May 2015 #182

I agree with what you are pointing out. However, some try to shut off legitimate skepticism rhett o rick May 2015 #198

Are we a nation of sheep unless we think they are lying all the time treestar May 2015 #135

A nation of sheep believed the lies told by Bush/Cheney re Mushroom clouds heading our way sabrina 1 May 2015 #151

Well said! Thank you. n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #152

And to be clear, we were called CTs, who 'always thought the worst of America' and sabrina 1 May 2015 #153

Agree with your point, but I think the ~70% number is bogus.. I hate liars May 2015 #183

Well stated Sabrina 1 MysticHuman May 2015 #202

+1 YoungDemCA May 2015 #41

Deniers are just as sad as hardcore theorists. Both see things in black and white. Rex May 2015 #75

No. It's based on EVIDENCE. alarimer May 2015 #79

Deniers are sad little people, just like hardcore CTers. Rex May 2015 #80

Name the ONE CS that you think is real that most people deny! I will give it a serious look. nt Logical May 2015 #169

How about the CS to invade Iraq? I hate liars May 2015 #184

Waste of time, that poster really could care less about honest discussion. Rex May 2015 #193

I think you mean "couldn't care less". nt Logical May 2015 #199

#80 Rex May 2015 #194

LOL, No CTer ever names one. Because they are all 100% bullshit. nt Logical May 2015 #200

"defended with great vigor on DU" wildbilln864 May 2015 #115

That theory is not allowed to be discussed on DU. Manifestor_of_Light May 2015 #158

The rules changed when we moved to DU3 hack89 May 2015 #170

NSA official Binney questioned 9/11 and WTC 7 on film Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #171

Thank you. The whole article is worth a read. jwirr May 2015 #19

I really wish there were a social services for individual words. NuclearDem May 2015 #20

I chuckle BrotherIvan May 2015 #27

And the words 'conspiracy theorists' returned to the files of Cass Sunstein while he continues sabrina 1 May 2015 #34

You're not asking questions though YoungDemCA May 2015 #47

Excuse me? I am responding to 'theory' that anyone who asks questions is labeled sabrina 1 May 2015 #55

Tinfoil hatter works just fine for me. NuclearDem May 2015 #58

Works for me too. Fortunately the people are not so easily conned. Must make the story tellers work sabrina 1 May 2015 #66

Because eleventy quadrillion of them are watching RT, obviously. NuclearDem May 2015 #70

Jade Helm 15 progree May 2015 #32

Jade Helm 15 is only necessary because Jade Helms 1 through 14 failed to conquer Texas. tclambert May 2015 #38

And just in time too .. to impose Obama's black power and his Muslim Sharia law :-) progree May 2015 #56

I've ben in a lot of tunnels and underground facilities there. It's real, I tell you! Real! Arrghhh! freshwest May 2015 #139

"The liberal plan for global government." Does that mean the TPP? tclambert May 2015 #178

Oh, just go to the link and see the Bircher screed, brought to you by the Koch bros. freshwest May 2015 #179

CIA Report on Contras and Cocaine Volume 2 (Namebase archives) bobthedrummer May 2015 #35

This is explicitly against GD's rules YoungDemCA May 2015 #50

I respectfully disagree MysticHuman May 2015 #203

In North Korea all goodness is the fruit of their beloved leader and... hunter May 2015 #52

kick for later n/t hootinholler May 2015 #57

The Truth, that shall set us free, is out there - but truedelphi May 2015 #59

Convenient you leave out how there would have been no way for Semmelweis to explain how NuclearDem May 2015 #61

Your statement that he had no way to demonstrate it is wrong, wrong, wrong. truedelphi May 2015 #67

He had no way to demonstrate how the infections occurred. NuclearDem May 2015 #69

There were two prior historical medical events that truedelphi May 2015 #94

heck, on DU I've seen Semmelweis's case as proof that The System Always Works-- MisterP May 2015 #100

thank you for the link heaven05 May 2015 #74

I don't know what is worse, deniers or theorists that won't listen to obvious evidence. Rex May 2015 #77

Depends on what you mean by denier. alarimer May 2015 #81

Obviously someone as binary as a CTer that believes every CT ever made. Rex May 2015 #83

The Binary CT process: show a particular CT to be wrong validates the official cover story leveymg May 2015 #89

Yeah that is one of the most popular ways to denounce a CT, seen it here over the years. Rex May 2015 #91

And 911 was not an inside job and the resulting multi billion dollar surveillance of everyone OffWithTheirHeads May 2015 #85

nope heaven05 May 2015 #88

Would somebody please turn off the stove? dgibby May 2015 #92

Because reality works like in the movies. NuclearDem May 2015 #99

You are correct. They have an infinite budget and cameras are cheap. I am sure they have GoneFishin May 2015 #144

I'm right in the pot with you and the water is really HOT! snappyturtle May 2015 #95

I wonder if the people in this thread who are supisious of LIHOP are people that might BlueJazz May 2015 #90

The Truth movement can't even agree what the truth is hack89 May 2015 #101

we don't know... wildbilln864 May 2015 #123

If you can't articulate an alternate hack89 May 2015 #126

yes I do! wildbilln864 May 2015 #128

That's bullshit. GoneFishin May 2015 #145

The IK at the bottom of the post = I'm Kidding. BlueJazz May 2015 #146

Is that sort of like the notes that Felix left Oscar. Major Hogwash May 2015 #162

I watched the show like it was church. The chemistry was awesome and wonderful! BlueJazz May 2015 #165

LIHOP is the biggest pile of bullshit since the moon landing deniers. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #121

that's the great thing about conspiracy theories treestar May 2015 #136

some probably, but the truth is actually Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #172

Credible HassleCat May 2015 #102

K&R valerief May 2015 #105

Give the CT tree a shake and all the wackadoos fall out. n/t X_Digger May 2015 #110

Ain't that the truth. nt YoungDemCA May 2015 #192

9 and 10 are highly questionable Blue_Tires May 2015 #111

Well this thread has turned into a "Creative Speculation" thread in GD. MohRokTah May 2015 #122

Could anything else have happened? Over a hundred Recs, too. I have to mention one conspiracy that freshwest May 2015 #142

Makes me sick. MohRokTah May 2015 #148

Oh, it's been taken over. And it's not going anywhere. The problem here is the Juries. freshwest May 2015 #149

I like that 2nd sig pic you've got, the guy with the sunglasses, and I'm all out of bubblegum. Electric Monk May 2015 #159

LOVE that flick! Yes, I'm all outta bubblegun, too. ROFLMAO! n/t freshwest May 2015 #160

Pretzel Warrior aka functioning_cog is leaving DU again, but this time by choice? Huzzah! Electric Monk May 2015 #157

Unfounded accusations. MohRokTah May 2015 #164

. Guy Whitey Corngood May 2015 #166

I don't buy it. Where's the smoking musket? WinkyDink May 2015 #190

Thanks and k & r! n/t wildbilln864 May 2015 #127

I'm convinced TWA Flight 800 will be there one day Reter May 2015 #137

No, but the truth IS out there. Hundreds of eyewitnesses ignored. Illegal take-over by the FBI. WinkyDink May 2015 #185

Kick. GoneFishin May 2015 #147

Forgot Hostages for Votes in 1980. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #156

treason and election thefts get a pass reddread May 2015 #168

As far as conspiracies are concerned, I'm a Suspicionist ... nikto May 2015 #163

k Romeo.lima333 May 2015 #167

and there are many officially admitted false-flag attacks throughout history Fast Walker 52 May 2015 #173

Even a stopped clock is right once in awhile but it does not mean you cstanleytech May 2015 #177

So you're a Coincidence Theorist, eh? WinkyDink May 2015 #188

Well, if it will make you feel better for me to say yes then sure whatever makes cstanleytech May 2015 #196

Some people are expecting courtroom proof, or else to them no proof at all exists. That's their big WinkyDink May 2015 #189

I would settle for just actual evidence, no speculation or crackpot theories like the cstanleytech May 2015 #197

181 recs so far. wildbilln864 May 2015 #201