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11. It would be this

Fri May 22, 2015, 09:14 AM

May 2015

Here is the argument as I understand it. Sanders is liberal, and is perceived by the media as more liberal than he really is, perhaps even socialist. Clinton is liberal, but perceived by the media as less liberal than she really is. Therefore, the media will burn Sanders by talking about his "far left" opinions and proposals. They will give some attention to Democrats who are not satisfied that Clinton is liberal enough, which is what they frequently do to Obama. The net effect will be to make Clinton look like a moderate, while Sanders will be marginalized. I don't know if I buy that or not. The Republicans are very successful at espousing extreme views to appeal to the "core" voters in the primary, then sounding all reasonable for the general election. I don't see why Sanders, or Clinton for that matter, could not do the same thing.

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Sorry, Hillary supporters. [View all] Dawgs May 2015 OP

I don't have to do shit because I could care less about what you think. MoonRiver May 2015 #1

Wow...Classy...n/t monmouth4 May 2015 #4

Fine with with me. You want to look like a fool, go for it. n/t Dawgs May 2015 #13

Just telling it like it is. MoonRiver May 2015 #34

^^ This right here. MohRokTah May 2015 #46

Welcome to the Bernie Underground workinclasszero May 2015 #62

I wasn't here duing '04 or '08. MohRokTah May 2015 #71

I have no doubt lol workinclasszero May 2015 #73

No, but the Obama underground seemed to work out alright. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #104

Surely you are not comparing Bernie's run for president workinclasszero May 2015 #130

No there is no comparison between the two. Bernie is much more of a people person than A Simple Game May 2015 #139

No problems, no problems at all workinclasszero May 2015 #141

Bernie will be toast after that and out before Super Tuesday. leftofcool May 2015 #143

Definitely workinclasszero May 2015 #146

Or AgingAmerican May 2015 #214

We should have a pretty good idea after those four are done if not before they even start. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #145

Obama was relatively unknown AgingAmerican May 2015 #213

Oh yeah.... Historic NY May 2015 #176

Its just a PRIMARY! Rockyj May 2015 #224

Then why are you here? :) nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #101

A might bit touchy are we? You are quite the ambassador of your team. corkhead May 2015 #19

You keep jerking people's chains, that's what happens but it is nothing compared ... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver May 2015 #36

Yeah, I'm a little sick of the absurd threats against Hillary supporters. MoonRiver May 2015 #35

At least Hillary Clinton is a REGISTERED Democrat! George II May 2015 #55

Whatever that means. truebluegreen May 2015 #78

A Registered Democrat that used to support Barry Goldwater. A Simple Game May 2015 #108

Her first Vote was for Eugene McCarthy DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #111

I was probably sitting in my Junior year high school history class back in '68. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #119

Yes, she "supported" Barry Goldwater way back in 1964 when she was 17 years old... George II May 2015 #124

I was born a liberal and will die a liberal. A Simple Game May 2015 #137

If you haven't changed your mind about something since you were 17 mythology May 2015 #201

Change my mind? I do it daily. But my core liberal principles? No, I have no need A Simple Game May 2015 #206

There is a big difference between "changing your mind", bvar22 May 2015 #228

Woot thats all you got.... Historic NY May 2015 #181

You were just a college kid and yet you still voted for the best candidate. A Simple Game May 2015 #199

In high school. I'm sure you were a fount of wisdom when you were 16. nt Hekate May 2015 #207

Is it that obvious? Thanks for noticing. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #209

Always a plus if you're a DEMOCRAT MaggieD May 2015 #149

You make it sound like it's a pedigree. L0oniX May 2015 #174

To seek the Democratic nomination for office, one should be a Democrat George II May 2015 #175

Wow ...I had no idea. Thanks. L0oniX May 2015 #178

you learn something new everday around here frylock May 2015 #220

* L0oniX May 2015 #230

You Read the OP as a Threat? 2banon May 2015 #223

I've got it. I'm convinced. Of what, I can't say cali May 2015 #23

Only thing I'm convinced of is that some DU blogger is irrelevant to what I think. MoonRiver May 2015 #39

Post "what" again reddread May 2015 #50

You "could" care less? tularetom May 2015 #26

The grammar police. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #31

You know, normally I couldn't care less tularetom May 2015 #38

The Caring Continuum DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #42

Perfect DSB floriduck May 2015 #115

Yeah, picayune mistake though DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #125

Whatever helps you sleep at night. MoonRiver May 2015 #40

Your Hillary campaign slogan? L0oniX May 2015 #27

^^^This^^^ -none May 2015 #77

LOL /nt Marr May 2015 #91

Oh my, isn't that special? 99Forever May 2015 #41

And bless your little heart too. MoonRiver May 2015 #43

Excellent! 99Forever May 2015 #56

Sure kenfrequed May 2015 #60

This message was self-deleted by its author hughee99 May 2015 #112

The supporter doesn't fall far from the candidate tree. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #117

"Could" care less cwydro May 2015 #121

Nice non rebuttle AgingAmerican May 2015 #129

Thus far ... earthside May 2015 #131

+1 leftofcool May 2015 #132

Watch out! frylock May 2015 #219

The two step that isn't el_bryanto May 2015 #2

Curious. What has Hillary accomplished as a politician, compared to Bernie? n/t Dawgs May 2015 #14

You have a point, she's never been mayor of a tiny city in a relatively small state. George II May 2015 #67

Well there you go. zeemike May 2015 #76

There are no "little people" in New York State, where she was elected Senator twice? George II May 2015 #127

Not the same as being mayor of a small town though is it? zeemike May 2015 #182

News Flash! If we're making comparisons of Vermont "little people" and NY "little people"... George II May 2015 #183

Only a 4k difference? I've lived in NYC and couldn't afford it on 60k a year. Thanks for Exilednight May 2015 #185

Well, you sure turned that around, even unconsciously confirming what I said about.... George II May 2015 #189

A senator has no effect on income? Then let's stop all Exilednight May 2015 #193

No we are not. zeemike May 2015 #190

That smacks of Sarah Palin's slam on Obama's community organizing not being a real job .... Hekate May 2015 #208

Yes it does doesn't it. zeemike May 2015 #210

Come on, tell him about all of the legislation she introduced when she was my Senator. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #116

Too much to list here, google "legislative accomplishments" for both Clinton and Sanders... George II May 2015 #136

Boom! MaggieD May 2015 #152

Don't forget that while she was a Senator,.... bvar22 May 2015 #211

The "war" on video games? MaggieD May 2015 #215

..."so what's the beef with ratings on Vdeo Games? bvar22 May 2015 #229

Bernie has accomplished a significant amount in his career - even though his early career karynnj May 2015 #95

That only works if it's the same person saying it Blue_Adept May 2015 #3

Sure, but I saw one using both arguments in the very same thread just today. n/t Dawgs May 2015 #15

Link? eom MohRokTah May 2015 #48

Then I think it would have been better to have posted your comment there. (n/t) thesquanderer May 2015 #75

This is politics rock May 2015 #5

When your candidate is a mess of contradictions, TM99 May 2015 #6

rationalization is hard work AtomicKitten May 2015 #216

There just aren't enough threads on DU attacking Hillary supporters. sufrommich May 2015 #7

I don't think you know what attacking means. n/t Dawgs May 2015 #17

Apparently one person's legitimate assertion is another person's "attack" corkhead May 2015 #22

..because every pro Bernie OP is an attack. L0oniX May 2015 #28

No, but every Hillary dig OP Cosmocat May 2015 #58

They know Bernie will never get near the Oval Office so attacks make them feel better. leftofcool May 2015 #134

Yeah if only Bernie would sell out to Wall Street d_legendary1 May 2015 #184

Not a Hillary supporters BUT, the issue is pragmatism. Which many DU'ers who gravitate to Sanders KittyWampus May 2015 #8

You forgot Israel and the F-35./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32

Further capitulation on things that are destroying America the environment and lives onecaliberal May 2015 #57

The stupid in this OP FLPanhandle May 2015 #9

Great argument. Care to explain why? n/t Dawgs May 2015 #18

Sure FLPanhandle May 2015 #21

Edited for your flavor. n/t Dawgs May 2015 #25

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #37

Where did you get your degree in internet psychology? MohRokTah May 2015 #49

Almost 50 years as a Congressional staffer sadly MosheFeingold May 2015 #51

What congressperson?/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #122

I'm a Hillary Clinton supporter and I don't "know in my heart" any of the accusations you make... George II May 2015 #59

Taking the time to consider the consequences of all possible courses of action ... staggerleem May 2015 #110

Neither one will really be able to do much without Congress.... Adrahil May 2015 #10

It would be this HassleCat May 2015 #11

I've never said he won't get anything done if he's elected President... brooklynite May 2015 #12

That's fine. I was really just talking to those that have used both arguments. Dawgs May 2015 #20

I haven't said Hillary is as "liberal" as Bernie, I have said Bernie is too far left. Thinkingabout May 2015 #16

I didn't say every Hillary supporter uses those arguments. Dawgs May 2015 #24

I understand and if she was as far left as Bernie it would be a concern for me. Thinkingabout May 2015 #44

Not a populist, huh? n/t Dawgs May 2015 #142

Don't guess I am. I don't like far left. Thinkingabout May 2015 #144

Neither Senator Sanders nor Secretary of State Clinton will get anything done if Republicans Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #30

The difference is perception lapfog_1 May 2015 #33

You had a good post going until you got to this point Thinkingabout May 2015 #52

That is a problem kenfrequed May 2015 #65

Have you been listening to Hillary in the past few months? Thinkingabout May 2015 #92

What is the national security problem? kenfrequed May 2015 #96

OMG, you can be against military action but to ask what is the national security problem, don't know Thinkingabout May 2015 #97

ok, that didn't make sense. kenfrequed May 2015 #103

Do you keep up with current events? There is information every day, we just had an attempt in Texas Thinkingabout May 2015 #118

So... kenfrequed May 2015 #140

Clinton is nowhere near as liberal as Bernie. Xyzse May 2015 #45

It's called having your cake and eating it too... kentuck May 2015 #47

Dammit! Why did you have to talk about cake?! Now i want some darkangel218 May 2015 #81

She doesn't have to "go" left - she has been there for decades MaggieD May 2015 #159

This message was self-deleted by its author darkangel218 May 2015 #162

Bernie has to convince rank and file democrats that he would beat ... JoePhilly May 2015 #53

I don't think Hillary is as strong against the GOP as some think. NYC_SKP May 2015 #61

Most Dems think she's going to beat anyone the GOP puts forward. JoePhilly May 2015 #80

What Dems think? We don't really know and it's very early in the game. NYC_SKP May 2015 #83

ok. JoePhilly May 2015 #84

Is it really an attack to point out that she is a weak candidate that has no real possibility of Exilednight May 2015 #113

Its politically naive. JoePhilly May 2015 #138

First things first Exilednight May 2015 #164

Obama demonstrated he would also beat ... JoePhilly May 2015 #187

Those are my voting issues, not my secondary comcerns. She stands on the Exilednight May 2015 #192

I'm telling you what needs to happen for your preferred candidate to beat Hillary ... JoePhilly May 2015 #194

You're as good at ducking questions as Hillary. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #195

Did you ask me a meaningful question? JoePhilly May 2015 #196

Yes, it's the sentence that ends with a question mark. Exilednight May 2015 #198

It's not a great question, but I did answer it. JoePhilly May 2015 #202

It's a direct question concerning where she stands on key policies. Allow me to rephrase, Exilednight May 2015 #203

In a few somewhat, but certainly not all ... and certainly not to the same extent. JoePhilly May 2015 #204

Just winning isn't enough. You have to do something when you get there. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #205

Or stop the GOP from doing what they'd do. JoePhilly May 2015 #225

Everything I want becomes moot if hillary gets elected. N/t Exilednight May 2015 #226

Sad for you. Not true for me. JoePhilly May 2015 #227

A tea bagger will same the same to you when Exilednight May 2015 #231

Cross your fingers!!!! JoePhilly May 2015 #232

I was a huge Obama supporter, so we're many of my friends and family - none of which, except Exilednight May 2015 #233

So they'll stay home .... Good political strategy. JoePhilly May 2015 #234

I can't force them to vote. Exilednight May 2015 #235

Not much of a poll watcher, are you? bluegopher May 2015 #157

At this point, polls mean nothing. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #165

This message was self-deleted by its author Cosmocat May 2015 #69

WINNER POST! Cosmocat May 2015 #70

Right ... I also think Sanders gets this point. nt JoePhilly May 2015 #82

Probably won't convince anyone but here is my list of why Bernie will do well in general. Dawgs May 2015 #150

most millennials are supporting HRC. KMOD May 2015 #172

Millennials can like more than one candidate, and... Dawgs May 2015 #186

It's an important part of getting him to the general elections. KMOD May 2015 #200

Good ... that's a positive start. JoePhilly May 2015 #197

Another day, another anti-Clinton red meat post. Nice. George II May 2015 #54

You're welcome. Dawgs May 2015 #151

Yes, start a positive thread about somebody....ANYBODY! George II May 2015 #180

+1! darkangel218 May 2015 #63

And, this OP gets Bernie votes, how? Cosmocat May 2015 #64

Uh first, the post is about Hillary supporters...not Hillary. Dawgs May 2015 #156

Sorry, but the ratio of this stuff is pretty marked Cosmocat May 2015 #188

This ^ ^ ^ ^ Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #221

Are there actually people with the chutzpah after Iraq to claim that Hillary is as liberal KingCharlemagne May 2015 #66

It would be news to all those dead american kids that Bernie the gun nut is considered liberal too workinclasszero May 2015 #87

I think Mrs. Clinton would want you to lighten up on that gun stuff. nt Snotcicles May 2015 #100

Is that a fact? workinclasszero May 2015 #126

Someone may point out the hypocrisy of a Hillary supporter criticizing someone else's Snotcicles May 2015 #133

Mr. Sanders respects Mrs. Clinton. KMOD May 2015 #173

So do I. I would prefer Bernie Sanders for president. But will vote for whomever wins the Snotcicles May 2015 #191

Haha! That desperate, this early? arcane1 May 2015 #109

There is the sad truth, stated simply and directly. JEB May 2015 #89

They could care less what the dead think. For some, winning is the best disinfectant. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #123

Thanks for posting! ejbr May 2015 #68

Hillary doesn't sound very "underground" to me. jalan48 May 2015 #72

They want to dismiss him and all who support him Robbins May 2015 #74

The responses to this thread make me want to puke abelenkpe May 2015 #79

Just to clarify... longship May 2015 #85

Umm.. no thanks, @ "relax"ing thing. nt darkangel218 May 2015 #88

By all means then, stir the pot. longship May 2015 #93

or you can give a damn about the wrong direction reddread May 2015 #94

+1 darkangel218 May 2015 #99

You presume that I don't give a damn? longship May 2015 #105

smoke it up reddread May 2015 #106

Really? A straw man? longship May 2015 #120

"Stir the pot"? That is not what i said. darkangel218 May 2015 #98

Except I didn't say anything negative about any 2016 Dem candidate. Dawgs May 2015 #147

trying to teach sense or manners to certain advocates reddread May 2015 #86

I imagine we'll rationalize LanternWaste May 2015 #114

first come first serve reddread May 2015 #128

Been here since 2004. Dawgs May 2015 #160

They don't have to pick. Cognitive dissonance is incredible. Marr May 2015 #90

like a super power or something reddread May 2015 #102

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #107

You might want to self delete. Posts like yours are often hidden by juries. nt stevenleser May 2015 #153

This is really uncalled for MissDeeds May 2015 #158

What is "the likes of you"? Dawgs May 2015 #161

I don't care who it is that has a 'D' next to their name as long as they speak to our causes... Stellar May 2015 #135

I don't think anyone is arguing.... MaggieD May 2015 #148

There are plenty of recent posts about an article posted at fivethirtyeight.com Dawgs May 2015 #163

You know that... MaggieD May 2015 #170

Actually, it was just as liberal (not MORE) and barely is close enough anyway. n/t Dawgs May 2015 #171

She's liberal enough to progress the country... uponit7771 May 2015 #154

I never said she wasn't. Dawgs May 2015 #166

We are not comparing Hillary to anyone. These pro Bernie memes get better everyday. upaloopa May 2015 #155

I didn't know you speak for all Hillary supporters on DU. That's fascinating. Dawgs May 2015 #169

Again you make shit up upaloopa May 2015 #218

It would be helpful, KMOD May 2015 #167

I don't think Sanders can win largely because he won't raise enough money. hrmjustin May 2015 #168

Yup but remember all money raised for Bernie is holy money workinclasszero May 2015 #177

lol yes i know. hrmjustin May 2015 #179

Who cares what you think? Lil Missy May 2015 #212

Please, everyone, can't we just unite behind the best candidate? Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #217

but PowerToThePeople May 2015 #222

When did I tell you Hillary is as liberal as Bernie? JoePhilly May 2015 #236