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pampango

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24. He's either stupid, corrupt or thinks international talks are usually done in secret.
Fri May 22, 2015, 10:08 AM
May 2015

Even his fiercest opponents don't think he is stupid but those seem to be the three alternatives.

Doesn't our Congress have a right to know what they are voting upon ??

If they were voting now on the TPP sight-unseen I would agree. They are voting on TPA which is the procedure for congress to follow if or when a final TPP is ever agreed to. If and when that ever happens, congress will vote up or down on the specific TPP agreed to and they will know what they are voting on.

AFAIK, most international agreements are not amendable by congress which just gets to approve or reject them. If congress were the American 'decider' on the text of international agreements, other countries would want to negotiate these agreements directly with congress rather than with the president. Why bargain for years with a president just to have congress be able to renegotiate the whole thing? Just cut to the chase and negotiate with congress directly in the first place and ignore the president.

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Obama knows if the facts were known he couldn't pass this Shit. Vincardog May 2015 #1
Bingo. Succinct and perfect response. AtomicKitten May 2015 #2
It won't effect him or his. onecaliberal May 2015 #3
We have the right to know. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #4
^^^^This^^^^ haikugal May 2015 #5
....x10 840high May 2015 #6
Why haven't any of the other nations published the full text? JoePhilly May 2015 #35
They are doing the same thing to their peasants. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #43
Ahhh ... so its not because ... JoePhilly May 2015 #44
once again Bill Hicks nails it.. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #7
absolutamente, Time... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #8
americans cannot be counted on to do the right thing.. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #11
Maybe some Americans are uncomfortable with how others are way too comfortable... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #13
nearly every level of social strata has the numbing effects of pop culture aimed at it.. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #15
Che? Is that you? kentuck May 2015 #17
no im not Che, just TimeToEvolve. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #32
You describe members of my family…. MrMickeysMom May 2015 #22
no, Im not in the U.K., am in the U.S. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #33
and this one is even more relevant to providing your answer TimeToEvolve May 2015 #9
Seems to be real close to the truth... kentuck May 2015 #10
not likely close as is spot on... TimeToEvolve May 2015 #12
You do realize that treaty negotiations are virtually always done in secret right? mythology May 2015 #14
How come people are just becoming aware of it? kentuck May 2015 #16
The Senate is debating right now (C-SPAN2) what they want in TPP. yallerdawg May 2015 #34
because shame. shame must be kept secret nt msongs May 2015 #18
This is supposed to be the most transparent administration in history! davidn3600 May 2015 #19
It's very transparent to me. Flying Squirrel May 2015 #20
They do, and they can read the negotiation drafts right now Recursion May 2015 #21
Yeah, they can do that on their day off... kentuck May 2015 #23
no but see it's completely open Warren Stupidity May 2015 #25
They can also meet with US Trade Representatives... yallerdawg May 2015 #36
He's either stupid, corrupt or thinks international talks are usually done in secret. pampango May 2015 #24
The Constitution... kentuck May 2015 #26
Because he was told to? [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #27
Do the people have a right to know what's in store for them? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #28
maybe it was a deal for getting Obamacare passed? Or some horse-trading? KittyWampus May 2015 #29
UNREC brooklynite May 2015 #30
The Commerce Clause: kentuck May 2015 #31
TPA is Congressional authority given to the executive branch... yallerdawg May 2015 #37
Yes, and treaties are an executive power ucrdem May 2015 #38
A free trade agreement... yallerdawg May 2015 #40
Well, one might say that TPP is not an FTA. ucrdem May 2015 #41
I agree... yallerdawg May 2015 #42
It's really sort of a false issue isn't it? ucrdem May 2015 #39
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