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50. It's a huge mistake to confuse Bernie or his campaign with the festering antique lingo of a few DU

Fri May 22, 2015, 01:35 PM

May 2015

straight white guys. Bernie Sanders is a naturally inclusive person in his personality and his politics, he himself is a member of a minority. The handful of DUers who keep trying to create some binary combat scenario pitting 'economic issues VERSUS social issues' are nothing at all like Bernie, they have been playing that same record for months and months, first on the Liz Warren label now claiming Bernie as their motivation.
It was not Liz's fault, and it's not Bernie's. If I had judged Obama by his supporters on DU, I'd have voted for anyone but Obama. Hillary has a few real pips herself, it comes with the territory. People make use of candidates as devices of their own agenda. A viable candidate has to attract so many people that some of them are likely to be all manner of things from good to unfathomable.

There is a small, repetitive crowd on DU that wants to make divisions that do not exist. They are not the Sanders campaign. They are DUers retreading old material same as they always do.

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what is the populist movement creating today in the sanders campaign? inclusive? exclusive? [View all] seabeyond May 2015 OP

I thnk they are trying to succede where they failed in 1980. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #1

in their group, they have an OP. change DU to Pu. be the teabagger of the republican party, to the seabeyond May 2015 #2

Any DU group has absolutely no bearing on the outside world cyberswede May 2015 #3

social network has importance this election as i stated intiially when addressing sanders campaign. seabeyond May 2015 #6

I get that focusing only on economic issues CAN exclude social issues... cyberswede May 2015 #11

one, fuckin sentence. in the whole OP that was political. couldnt ask me to take it out? cali seabeyond May 2015 #15

Cali never made an OP attacking you personally. polly7 May 2015 #21

thanks. no I did not make an OP about her. cali May 2015 #25

that is boldfaced false. I did not write an op that attacks you cali May 2015 #27

in the title you called me out per an OP of mine. those in the conversation were aware, seabeyond May 2015 #28

If you were "...called out per an OP of mine...", then it sounds as if you were.......... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #116

Talk about boldfaced lies. You tee'd off on her thread because you R B Garr May 2015 #35

that was hardly all there was to it. I object to misinformation cali May 2015 #37

exactly. everyone listening to calli on that thread, saw her call out in the OP. nt seabeyond May 2015 #41

There was no callout. I can't imagine how you could call it that. NaturalHigh May 2015 #112

Results Bobbie Jo May 2015 #53

lol. yes, I think I can handle it. cali May 2015 #58

LOL, thanks. That's hilarious. R B Garr May 2015 #66

Everyone who read your OP knows that it was NOT a callout. NaturalHigh May 2015 #113

sea, one of your mis-information specialists is at it again. R B Garr May 2015 #34

codswallop. and I have no interest in having her posts hidden cali May 2015 #39

No, paranoid would be following someone around reading things into R B Garr May 2015 #67

yes. nt seabeyond May 2015 #42

WHAAAAAAAAAAAA???? NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #30

The teaparty wanted to get Republicans to support their ideas. cyberswede May 2015 #33

After they were formed by the billionaires, maybe. I was just making sure people understood NoJusticeNoPeace May 2015 #43

"Formed by the billionaires" MaggieD May 2015 #101

what are you referring to? cali May 2015 #4

This is basically an ill-disguised call out/meta thread. demmiblue May 2015 #7

sure. her last one got locked. cali May 2015 #8

i am asking you all to think. instead you prefer to lock, and change the conversation. nt seabeyond May 2015 #10

think about what? Can you be specific? cali May 2015 #18

i was and have been pretty damn specific in the OP that was locked and examples i have given you... seabeyond May 2015 #19

You may think you were being specific in that locked thread but you cali May 2015 #23

no. mine was locked cause it was NOT passive aggressive. saying it bluntly. YOURS was not seabeyond May 2015 #24

balderdash. I posted a thread to clear up misinformation. that simple cali May 2015 #29

here is a definition of passive aggressive. you have accused me of it too often. nothing passive, seabeyond May 2015 #26

Yes, it is sleazy and has no basis in fact. demmiblue May 2015 #14

are you saying i am sleazy? seabeyond May 2015 #17

'It' being the operative word, not 'she'. demmiblue May 2015 #32

then you are not listening. which is my point. i am far from the only one discussing this. nt seabeyond May 2015 #44

People can discuss, but that does not mean it isn't some made up boogieman devised... demmiblue May 2015 #48

then you own it is not my own boogie man. so you are calling many.... boogieman. in essence seabeyond May 2015 #51

There you go again. demmiblue May 2015 #52

or maybe... it is not about me. seabeyond May 2015 #54

Oh, yes, it most certainly is. demmiblue May 2015 #55

hence, again, the blind of the issue with sander campaign. whatever you do, put it on me and ignore seabeyond May 2015 #56

More false accusations and steering. You are a real piece of work. n/t demmiblue May 2015 #59

one has to wonder about your posts simply being attacking me and not discussing the bigger issue seabeyond May 2015 #60

Lol... truly pathetic. demmiblue May 2015 #61

more insults. lol. who is pathetic? oh me.... sure. outta here. nt seabeyond May 2015 #62

Good, because my initial post stands: demmiblue May 2015 #63

ya. cause you kept it there, post after post of insults instead of discussing the POLITICAL issue. seabeyond May 2015 #64

Lol. demmiblue May 2015 #65

Wow, it must SUCK when people attack you personally instead of addressing political points! Bonobo May 2015 #68

found another thread to go after me. your words. smacked a dude. want to smack clinton. right thing seabeyond May 2015 #69

I was referring to the election of 1980. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #36

Progressives want to fundamentally change the direction of the nation Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #9

Teaparty label carries a lot of bad baggage, but, in general, it is not a bad model. seabeyond May 2015 #12

The Teaparty has elected a controling majority to the House Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #20

yes. and the american public reject. nt seabeyond May 2015 #22

'Their group'. So you are not a Bernie supporter. Didn't you say you were, or was that someone else? sabrina 1 May 2015 #49

What's "PU" stand for? Purity Underground? Cha May 2015 #70

lol. populist underground. they think they should own this site. as well they lead by example. nt seabeyond May 2015 #72

Populist: NaturalHigh May 2015 #114

Is this the OP you keep posting about? merrily May 2015 #102

PS The author of that OP is a member of the Hillary group. merrily May 2015 #122

What do you mean by member? Agschmid May 2015 #137

I've never seen anyone use "member" as a synonym for "host." merrily May 2015 #141

Well it's really hard to be a member of a group since we don't have those. Agschmid May 2015 #149

The difference is Ted Kennedy was a mainstream Democrat with huge potential appeal DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #5

In 1980, progressives split the party and could not support Carter Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #13

I don't believe we would have won regardless... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #16

Perhaps, but party infightin caused damage Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #38

yes it does. hence me saying. lets not have that infightin'. nt seabeyond May 2015 #46

Did it? Proof? In 2008 we were told how healthy a primary battle that went on well beyond merrily May 2015 #106

It is not a false meme. It is history. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #120

No. It's history that primary challenge happened. That it cost the election is a meme and a merrily May 2015 #121

You don't have to like the history. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #125

I am able to distinguish between history and someone's interpretation of history that is designed to merrily May 2015 #140

Primaries are not eliminated with a sitting President. Most of the time, no one runs against Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #142

Strongly disagree with everything in your post. merrily May 2015 #143

There are a number of good hisory books that cover the development of primary Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #144

They cover whether primary challengers for 2016 have been discouraged? merrily May 2015 #145

The rules goverment primaries are enshrined in state laws. The are histories that cover their Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #146

Wow. Straw men aplenty. You've gone all over the place, but you still have not merrily May 2015 #147

Depends on how you define mainstream. His fellow Senators dubbed him the Liberal Lion. merrily May 2015 #123

I campaigned for Ted Kennedy DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #126

I voted in the Iowa caucus for Carter. As I remember it we just saw him as someone who was jwirr May 2015 #31

Carter is the best elder dtatesman we have ever had. Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #40

Exactly. jwirr May 2015 #47

Their message seems simple to me.... MaggieD May 2015 #45

We Hate DINOs. FTFY. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #73

When you think everyone to the right of... MaggieD May 2015 #77

Yeah PowerToThePeople May 2015 #79

well that may be because you're heavily biased. Scootaloo May 2015 #76

I am biased toward Democrats MaggieD May 2015 #82

Can't tell from all the hate you post against us. Scootaloo May 2015 #83

Just tired of you guys bashing Dems MaggieD May 2015 #84

And I'm tired of so many Dems doing shit that deserves bashing. Scootaloo May 2015 #86

All politics are flawed MaggieD May 2015 #87

How much are you willing to sell off to "win" MaggieD? Scootaloo May 2015 #92

That's the wrong question MaggieD May 2015 #94

No, it's not. Scootaloo May 2015 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author seabeyond May 2015 #97

I see it differently.... MaggieD May 2015 #98

You're evading. What ideals and principles must we sacrifice, in specific, to be more "pragmatic"? Scootaloo May 2015 #99

I'm not evading anything.... MaggieD May 2015 #100

Yeah, you are Scootaloo May 2015 #104

You don't shed "ideals" MaggieD May 2015 #105

To become more pragmatic, one must be willing to sacrifice their ideals. Scootaloo May 2015 #107

This is why you guys never win MaggieD May 2015 #108

What are you willing to give up to win, MaggieD? Scootaloo May 2015 #110

Your repeated question.... MaggieD May 2015 #115

You've just been trying to change the subject Scootaloo May 2015 #132

you know what happened last time we went for the majority and accepted a few Dinos into the party to seabeyond May 2015 #96

It's a huge mistake to confuse Bernie or his campaign with the festering antique lingo of a few DU Bluenorthwest May 2015 #50

You seem very obsessed with "straight white guys" DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #118

I do not see Sanders and/or the populist movement excluding anyone except, the 1%. Hiraeth May 2015 #57

Couldn't tell that from reading DU MaggieD May 2015 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Hiraeth May 2015 #74

I can not speak to that. I am not here long enough to really know what goes on around here. Hiraeth May 2015 #75

Bullshit. nt LWolf May 2015 #124

Of course it's inclusive, seabeyond. You're welcome to join in if you wish Scootaloo May 2015 #78

good to hear. i will continue to try to shoulder my way to the front line, to stand beside you all. seabeyond May 2015 #80

Come on in, the water's fine Scootaloo May 2015 #81

"I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go" here is the problem i see more seabeyond May 2015 #85

If it is about the Populist Group on DU as you say, then this is Meta-crap. nt Bonobo May 2015 #88

take your best shot, bonobo seabeyond May 2015 #89

No shot, seabeyond. It is clear as day. Bonobo May 2015 #90

Have you considered that your worry is misplaced, Seabeyond? Scootaloo May 2015 #91

" they are hateful, irrational, and idiotic creeps.""scream hate at them" seabeyond May 2015 #93

Isn't that the case? Scootaloo May 2015 #103

listen to yourself. "That they're willing to "give up the court." seabeyond May 2015 #117

over and over again we are being told populist has a huge concern for social issues. listen to seabeyond May 2015 #119

The African-American unemployment rate is 11.4%, twice that of whites. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #130

you have your story wrong. i do not dismiss the economics. what i have over you... i do NOT seabeyond May 2015 #134

Pony up some links that *prove* I dismiss the social justice aspect. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #136

Excellent and outstanding. I mean that sincerely. Enjoy your movie. Nt seabeyond May 2015 #138

Thanks. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #139

It is irrational to call yourself a liberal and then act in a way that would elect someone randys1 May 2015 #128

But that's what we're constantly told to do Scootaloo May 2015 #133

IF clinton wins primary and it a 2016 vote. hell ya. i am saying the same. she is not telling seabeyond May 2015 #135

wow! G_j May 2015 #109

Evidently a "Populist Underground" OP with 14 replies and 7 recs is a "movement." WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #131

+1 nt Bonobo May 2015 #148

Hopefully a move to the left... NaturalHigh May 2015 #111

I think Sanders wants to change the direction of American politics in a big way Marrah_G May 2015 #127

sanders is far closer to my view on issues, also. nt seabeyond May 2015 #129