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MaggieD

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218. Compared to what?

Fri May 22, 2015, 05:32 PM

May 2015

I have to admit, I can be pretty snarky at times. I will try to be less so. However, I have been reading DU just about everyday for 14 years. And the reason I started posting again was because of the sheer belligerence of many of the Bernie supporters and the NON-STOP smears against Democrats on this site. What I learned once I started posting was that it was worse than I even knew.

I will tell you this.... I have never told people that "their opinion doesn't mean shit," or accused them of being a sock puppet (with no reason either -- just to insult). I have not said vicious things about Bernie or lied about his record. I haven't said "well you must be lazy because you're poor," which is the equivelent of the implication that I must be a right winger because I am not poor. Or this kind of comment from you "It's your attitude that I don't like as it comes from a place of financial privilege."

(AND BY THE WAY - I do NOT come from a place of financial privelege. I was poor as shit, and worked my way up. I was lucky to be white and fairly smart, so I have THAT privelege since I did nothing to earn either of those things. But all the way up I have tried to pull others up with me. Every day. And I have been sucessful at that to. So I resent your assumption).

The excuse that people are rude here because of me just doesn't fly. And you can't seriously deny that just about EVERYBODY who is NOT a Bernie supporters recognizes the belligerence of the Bernie crowd.

I think reality is his supporters just don't like being challenged or talked back to. And to that I say, tough luck.

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Hillary was liberal, Hillary IS Liberal [View all] MaggieD May 2015 OP

K&R! hrmjustin May 2015 #1

"Being liberal" needs more specifics on what is measured. As an example Hillary is NOT liberal... cascadiance May 2015 #2

Her votes MaggieD May 2015 #15

I guess it is still too hard for you to deal with specific "liberal" issues... cascadiance May 2015 #34

They've been tallied and outlined in the article. MaggieD May 2015 #55

I agree, tho more applicable to Hillary would be WAS an triangulater, IS a triangulater and WILL ALWAYS BE a triangulater... InAbLuEsTaTe May 2015 #155

we NEED a democrat. this is where populist is skewed batshit crazy. we NEED a democrat. we seabeyond May 2015 #161

Here's the thing about these "vote tallies" Scootaloo May 2015 #88

The methodology of that study was rather goofy. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #154

Yup. Which is why I say to use the actual votes Scootaloo May 2015 #202

Cool MFrohike May 2015 #3

Well according to a lot of people on DU, economics doesn't matter, only social justice matters. cui bono May 2015 #117

I do think stuff like this might - maybe - be useful if Hillary wins the nomination djean111 May 2015 #4

"lesser evil thing" just intellectually stupid and dishonest. if one needs to argue that, then seabeyond May 2015 #7

Not true at all. cui bono May 2015 #119

When much of Hillary criticism is countered with "SAY HELLO TO PRESIDENT CRUZ", I would have to djean111 May 2015 #138

when equating repug the same as clinton, i question your democratic position, yes. seabeyond May 2015 #145

Then stop using the lesser evil argument. jeff47 May 2015 #160

what a convoluted argument. and a whole lot of wtf. we need a dem... 2016. that is the argument seabeyond May 2015 #163

Then you're arguing for Bernie or O'Malley or Clinton. Not just Clinton. jeff47 May 2015 #167

"Then you're arguing for Bernie or O'Malley or Clinton." correct. as i have said, repeatedly. seabeyond May 2015 #172

Hillary is my first choice. hrmjustin May 2015 #8

Not lesser enough for me. Fuddnik May 2015 #115

Your choice. hrmjustin May 2015 #143

No lesser evil voting for me. EVER again. 840high May 2015 #10

are you another, in this now often heard meme, not voting clinton if she wins? seabeyond May 2015 #14

i'll write in Bernie's name. 840high May 2015 #19

mmmm, so this is a fuck you, to all the people whose lives matter with this election. seabeyond May 2015 #20

This is a fuck you to the Dems 840high May 2015 #22

and you in turn, say fuck you to the women and girls whose lives are at stake. seabeyond May 2015 #23

sorry - save your breath - i want to vote 840high May 2015 #28

save my breathe to appease your want? no. not when lives matter. you feel your little sec flash of seabeyond May 2015 #30

Then maybe the Democrats should produce a better candidate jeff47 May 2015 #35

awfully cavalier with our women and girls lives. and you all are the good guys? seabeyond May 2015 #37

They're purity trolls... ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #111

What are you "Conservative" about? LeftOfWest May 2015 #114

I've explained this before, but... ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #174

Guns, God & Israel... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #231

Again, something I have said before... ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #239

No, the people insisting we repeat our loss of 1968 are the cavalier ones jeff47 May 2015 #162

our girls and women are dying. it will get worse. they are being inPRISONED because of seabeyond May 2015 #165

If you are so concerned about that issue, why repeat what you already know failed? jeff47 May 2015 #168

i KNOW obama's supreme court picks. i do not see a fail. that you do, shows you are not even seabeyond May 2015 #173

Thank you. 840high May 2015 #224

Good post. 840high May 2015 #277

Do you really believe that Hillary is the only Dem candidate that cares about women and girls' lives cui bono May 2015 #259

Unlike you I care about all lives - not 840high May 2015 #275

so. you turn your back on the lives of women and girls, and claim the high road. seabeyond May 2015 #278

The Democrats choose who they want treestar May 2015 #253

If lives matter so much, make sure the Dems get a candidate people can get excited about. cui bono May 2015 #120

IF lives matter so much? so, if you do not get one you want, then you can walk from those lives? seabeyond May 2015 #147

I'm not going to vote for someone who isn't fighting for the 99%, who supports the banksters cui bono May 2015 #179

Hillary does stand for working people. NYC Liberal May 2015 #256

Clinton is extremely similar to Obama and his policies are moderate Republican policies. cui bono May 2015 #263

K & R, really good post. Hillary has been advocating for Democrat platform issues for a long time. Thinkingabout May 2015 #279

Clinton won't save lives. 840high May 2015 #225

if we lose the surpreme court, we lose women and girls lives. that matters. seabeyond May 2015 #234

We're not in the general election yet. That is not an issue in the primary. cui bono May 2015 #257

i am talking to the people that state they will NOT vote clinton if she wins. i think i make that seabeyond May 2015 #265

I didn't think it was clear. What was clear is my saying I will not vote for her since my state is cui bono May 2015 #266

i have only said it about ten times in this thread. you found ONE post i didnt clarify? my bad seabeyond May 2015 #267

If lives matter soooo much to you then PLEASE tell me how Exilednight May 2015 #134

...^ that 840high May 2015 #226

if we lose the surpeme court, we will lose more women and girls lives. more imprisonment seabeyond May 2015 #233

If she really cared, she would never have voted for Exilednight May 2015 #237

i have to wonder your obsession ignoring the importance of supr crt for our girls and women. seabeyond May 2015 #238

I have to wonder your obsession to ignore the question. Here's a second Exilednight May 2015 #240

that is totally irrelevant. my goal is to elect a dem. you want an argument about clinton, seabeyond May 2015 #241

who controls the SC with a 5-4 majority now? Exilednight May 2015 #242

again. that has nothing to do with anything. we have three very old. we need to be in position seabeyond May 2015 #243

You're arguing about court appointees to control the court, and you try to Exilednight May 2015 #244

it is simple. we do need control in supreme court. do you have an issue with that also? seabeyond May 2015 #245

Who comtrols the SC with a 5-4 margin? Be honest. Exilednight May 2015 #246

i do not think i have ever replied to you in past. i wont be in the future. seabeyond May 2015 #248

Well if you find joy in losing, then the 2016 election should be positively gleeful for you. nt okaawhatever May 2015 #131

Where did 840 say they found joy in losing? n/t cui bono May 2015 #260

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #133

Oh, another misogynist that wants the destruction of all women and girls!! Bonobo May 2015 #135

want? maybe a handful. mostly, can care less about women and girls for their own self interest. seabeyond May 2015 #148

Hyperventilate much? Just make it up as you go? Katashi_itto May 2015 #136

flinging shit to see what sticks? seabeyond May 2015 #149

No. I that's your department. Katashi_itto May 2015 #219

Couple questions... Scootaloo May 2015 #203

we are comparing past kills with present and future kills of our women and girls and black men? seabeyond May 2015 #204

The killing and raping of women in these areas occurs on a daily basis. polly7 May 2015 #205

ok. now polly. how about THIS country we live in and govern. you think we might focus on our dead seabeyond May 2015 #206

You said, the PAST, dismissing the horror those women and girls are facing today. polly7 May 2015 #207

ivasion of iraq is the past. hence my discussion. i am NOT comparing kills. i do not know how much seabeyond May 2015 #209

The invasion has spawned a whole region of horror. It is not in the past - the results are being polly7 May 2015 #211

As Polly notes, they're ongoing Scootaloo May 2015 #208

as YOU said, ... iraq invasion! and as i said to molly, i will not compare deaths.... seabeyond May 2015 #210

LMAO ... molly. That's a few times you've done that now. It's 'polly'. Tricky! nt. polly7 May 2015 #213

Maybe you can use 'peabeyond' from now on. cui bono May 2015 #269

!!! polly7 May 2015 #273

It's not "comparing deaths" Scootaloo May 2015 #214

if people advocate not to vote clinton if she wins primary, if they do not vote, they work toward seabeyond May 2015 #216

Clearly only American Lives Matter... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #232

not, clearly. your agenda driven. you and others dismiss our girls and womens lives and imprisonment seabeyond May 2015 #235

No, Seabeyond. It's not a focus on one to the exclusion of the other thing... Violet_Crumble May 2015 #280

if hillary wins the primary, NOT voting. that is the issue vc. not primary, not two candidates. seabeyond May 2015 #281

Well stated Violet! nt. polly7 May 2015 #282

except the discussion isnt about the primary, but wtf! well stated! seabeyond May 2015 #283

What? polly7 May 2015 #284

Thank you. polly7 May 2015 #212

Didn't she say something like "we came, we 840high May 2015 #227

And odn't forget the women in our own armed forces raped by their fellow servicemen. cui bono May 2015 #268

that's your motive, really? treestar May 2015 #254

...^ that 840high May 2015 #276

Isn't that against the rules here? DCBob May 2015 #139

yes. to advocate do not vote dem, or third party is against the TOS. nt seabeyond May 2015 #150

Sanders is Dem candidate. 840high May 2015 #228

which has NOTHING to do with my comment. seabeyond May 2015 #236

I do not believe abstaining is against the rules. cui bono May 2015 #270

Ya know; if there were ever a group of posts that seemed paid for... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #17

LOL. DURHAM D May 2015 #25

So we are openly saying people ard paid to post here now? hrmjustin May 2015 #33

Just an observation, not an accusation. You however, may feel free to infer whatever you like. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #39

Oh just an observation, of course. hrmjustin May 2015 #43

No "is", no "are", but there is an "if" in the post. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #91

I hope you didn't blush while you were trying to be cute. hrmjustin May 2015 #93

No but the bruise is gonna take a few days to disappear. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #106

S/he may not be being paid... cui bono May 2015 #121

Trolling is in the eye of the beholder. hrmjustin May 2015 #144

Trolling is in the eye of the admin Fumesucker May 2015 #261

Well put. hrmjustin May 2015 #262

And...? cui bono May 2015 #271

No you didn't. hrmjustin May 2015 #272

I'm willing to get paid for it.... MaggieD May 2015 #42

I was gonna say I know a lobbyist for Monsanto but I got nothin' really. n/t cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #107

Dang MaggieD May 2015 #110

She's a self-proclaimed "job provider" (her words and language not often used around here). stillwaiting May 2015 #137

Would you feel better... MaggieD May 2015 #183

The problem that I have with you is how over-the-top you are with your mocking and stillwaiting May 2015 #200

Compared to what? MaggieD May 2015 #218

You do come from a place of financial privilege. I didn't say anything about your upbringing. stillwaiting May 2015 #220

Thanks for the lecture MaggieD May 2015 #221

I wouldn't bet a red cent on that. You're going to do what you enjoy doing. stillwaiting May 2015 #222

i appreciate your posts, for being informative and snark free. meh.. nt seabeyond May 2015 #223

So if Hillary wins the nomination you're not going to vote at all? pnwmom May 2015 #113

Well I'm not voting for her if she wins. cui bono May 2015 #122

You're deluding yourself if you think that sitting out the election means you're not assisting pnwmom May 2015 #128

I won't be sitting out the election. I will simply not be voting for the president. cui bono May 2015 #129

you and others are just creating a campaign that is more and more exclusive. and you do not get it. seabeyond May 2015 #152

Exclusive? I think not. cui bono May 2015 #176

i do not care a hoot about your enthusiasm. i expect a democrat to support the democratic party. seabeyond May 2015 #185

You do understand that 'enthusiasm' and 'excitement' mean that the candidate lives up cui bono May 2015 #190

i understand that live are at stake this election. there are those casually dismissing lives. seabeyond May 2015 #196

And you're telling me this because.... cui bono May 2015 #217

Thank you. 840high May 2015 #229

You expect??? Now that's funny. 840high May 2015 #249

"i expect a democrat to support the democratic party." you get you are on a democratic board, right? seabeyond May 2015 #250

I support Sanders. Keep on expecting. 840high May 2015 #274

How so? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #251

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #132

Yes she is. KMOD May 2015 #5

You're welcome MaggieD May 2015 #13

Hillary's often come to lately social liberalism is rarely the problem. TM99 May 2015 #6

Social Issues? MaggieD May 2015 #24

Are you fucking kidding me? TM99 May 2015 #29

Did Hillary come out for DADT and DOMA? hrmjustin May 2015 #36

. KMOD May 2015 #41

I marched we ith her in 2000 and 2001 in the Pride parade. hrmjustin May 2015 #44

Exactly. She has been awesome to the GLBT community MaggieD May 2015 #46

Second that. DURHAM D May 2015 #80

That's the HRC I know too MaggieD May 2015 #82

Meeting Hillary way back then DURHAM D May 2015 #87

That is awesome. KMOD May 2015 #52

They were great days but the 2010 one was better because we got marriage equality the day before. hrmjustin May 2015 #57

I remember that! MaggieD May 2015 #66

Yes it was. hrmjustin May 2015 #73

That was an awesome day for NYS. KMOD May 2015 #67

I remember crying as the vote the day the vote came down. hrmjustin May 2015 #75

:) KMOD May 2015 #81

I did too MaggieD May 2015 #86

As I have said, she is incongruent. TM99 May 2015 #49

As a gay man i am always happy to see come to our side. hrmjustin May 2015 #54

Of course, I do too. TM99 May 2015 #59

On this one my friend we disagree. hrmjustin May 2015 #60

I Know we are in disaggrement here. TM99 May 2015 #63

. hrmjustin May 2015 #65

The Clinton's were instrumental in bringing us to this point. KMOD May 2015 #58

How can you read the facts and history as it truly was TM99 May 2015 #61

Because we LIVED it MaggieD May 2015 #69

+1 cui bono May 2015 #123

Because it's true. KMOD May 2015 #198

No I'm not kidding you MaggieD May 2015 #45

It isn't always about the money. TM99 May 2015 #56

Hillary is not Bill MaggieD May 2015 #62

I know that the only thing important to you in politics is money. TM99 May 2015 #68

Easy for you to say.... MaggieD May 2015 #72

You know nothing about my life for you to make TM99 May 2015 #76

Are you GLBT? MaggieD May 2015 #79

I do not like identity politics. TM99 May 2015 #84

Identity politics? MaggieD May 2015 #90

Identity politics TM99 May 2015 #96

No it doesn't MaggieD May 2015 #98

Her history is incongruent. TM99 May 2015 #100

No they aren't MaggieD May 2015 #102

Should we call this straightsplain? nt DURHAM D May 2015 #92

Sounds like it MaggieD May 2015 #94

I lived it too. TM99 May 2015 #71

You're gay? MaggieD May 2015 #77

Bullshit! TM99 May 2015 #89

Should we thank him for press releases? MaggieD May 2015 #95

Thank him for his votes. TM99 May 2015 #97

She wasn't in congress then MaggieD May 2015 #99

Dude, I am done with you. TM99 May 2015 #101

No I don't MaggieD May 2015 #104

Yes, you do. TM99 May 2015 #105

No, I really don't MaggieD May 2015 #108

Yes and, that is why I here so many Rs in my area say they like Hillary and would vote for her. Hiraeth May 2015 #177

OK, let's tally: HooptieWagon May 2015 #9

... 840high May 2015 #11

The article already tallied - her votes MaggieD May 2015 #12

The MOST important vote a Senator faces is to vote on war. HooptieWagon May 2015 #16

She did get that wrong - yes MaggieD May 2015 #51

Obviously not a serious list, and definately not KMOD May 2015 #50

But besides those Doctor_J May 2015 #64

Best response ever. Change has come May 2015 #103

RW talking points, not liberal. Thinkingabout May 2015 #109

Hm... so facts are now right wing talking points? cui bono May 2015 #124

Let's see... Dr Hobbitstein May 2015 #171

5th Rec Hekate May 2015 #18

Voting to invade Iraq was "liberal"? Strange definition you have there n/t eridani May 2015 #21

By all means - don't vote for her because of that MaggieD May 2015 #31

My first primary vote will never be for an Iraq war supposrter eridani May 2015 #40

I haven't seen anyone accuse Ted Cruz of being centrist. cui bono May 2015 #125

Liberal in a Lloyd Blankfein kind of way. JEB May 2015 #26

I can't vote for someone I ALREADY don't trust. Bonobo May 2015 #27

Hey look! It's the same shitty metric as last week and the week before! jeff47 May 2015 #32

So facts are meaningless MaggieD May 2015 #48

But it's not factual. Dawgs May 2015 #141

So facts are meaningless MaggieD May 2015 #178

No, the facts are fine. Your analysis of the facts is wrong. jeff47 May 2015 #156

I believe that people who are smart enough in life but are willing to sell out... MrMickeysMom May 2015 #38

She was more liberal than 85% in her votes MaggieD May 2015 #47

What did you just write? MrMickeysMom May 2015 #140

But the hillarians claim that a liberal can't get elected president. Wait. Doctor_J May 2015 #53

^^ BrotherIvan May 2015 #112

No, they don't brooklynite May 2015 #151

You mean a "leftist" like one of the most liberal senators? jeff47 May 2015 #157

I'd say she's center-left, which puts her in the mainstream of Democratic voters and policy makers.. brooklynite May 2015 #166

Then you'll have to stop arguing she's one of the most liberal senators. jeff47 May 2015 #169

I've never made that argument... brooklynite May 2015 #175

A liberal by the definition adopted by members of the board who say Hillary isn't one treestar May 2015 #255

. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #70

You are adorable. KMOD May 2015 #74

Liberal with the truth? Bonobo May 2015 #78

hahahaha KMOD May 2015 #83

You can't determine how liberal someone is through a mathematical equation. Bjorn Against May 2015 #85

"Clinton was one of the most liberal members during her time in the Senate" cui bono May 2015 #116

If Bernie is the only liberal left in the whole wide world MaggieD May 2015 #118

You really like to pretend I said things I never said. cui bono May 2015 #126

Or we can blame it on reality MaggieD May 2015 #127

You're telling me! cui bono May 2015 #130

You can't have it both ways MaggieD. Dawgs May 2015 #142

The dinos and fan clubs don't deal in reality at all Doctor_J May 2015 #153

Yep. I used to find it funnier, now it usually just makes me sad. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #188

I never said he couldn't get anything done.... MaggieD May 2015 #194

On some things, on others not so much. hobbit709 May 2015 #146

The 1,000,000+ Iraqi civilian dead take great consolation in the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #158

Who are Hillary's economic advisors? JDPriestly May 2015 #159

Do you think Ghilarducci or Boushey will serve as Secretary of the Treasury? Octafish May 2015 #180

No way. They are for show. JDPriestly May 2015 #195

The profoundly conservative business of the Senate still fails as a measure of liberalism. Orsino May 2015 #164

Obama was "more liberal than Obama"... sendero May 2015 #182

here is the thing, all you that immediately jumped on my ass cause i called populist... seabeyond May 2015 #170

"personally. in real life. that is when i say. how dare you...." NaturalHigh May 2015 #285

they get to own walking away from the lives of our girls and boys, if they chose to not vote 2016 seabeyond May 2015 #287

Frankly I would respect you more if you would just say... NaturalHigh May 2015 #288

you would respect lying? what the fuck ever. i think that says all about your agenda. anyway seabeyond May 2015 #289

"i think that says all about your agenda" NaturalHigh May 2015 #290

except i am not calling you a liar, telling you what you think, and demanding you abide by my story. seabeyond May 2015 #291

I guess that "left suckered by the right into anti-Hillary talking points" meme flopped. marmar May 2015 #181

It didn't flop - it's going on daily MaggieD May 2015 #186

Yet you feel the need to post these things constantly...... marmar May 2015 #189

I do - want to know why? MaggieD May 2015 #191

Absolutely right. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #192

It's all part of her 'evolution' AgingAmerican May 2015 #184

And he will continue to NOT be president MaggieD May 2015 #187

You guys need some new memes AgingAmerican May 2015 #193

This is a fun game! Warren Stupidity May 2015 #197

Hillary was a friend of Goldman Sachs, Hillary is a friend of Goldman Sachs Doctor_J May 2015 #199

Much more fun than actually discussing issues. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #201

I like Hillary, but she's still too right wing in many ways bobjacksonk2832 May 2015 #215

Hopefully some Clinton supporter will read this TM99 May 2015 #230

Until she gets elected, that is DiverDave May 2015 #247

The idea she is not liberal is hilarious treestar May 2015 #252

So true MaggieD May 2015 #258

She sounds, and I quote what you often say about Bernie here, Maggie, Exilednight May 2015 #264

And while Obama is also a �hard core liberal"... NaturalHigh May 2015 #286