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John Kerry on TPP: "95 percent of the world�s consumers live beyond the borders of the US" [View all] ucrdem May 2015 OP

If 95% of the world wants our stuff, then why do we import so much from China? n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #1

I don't think that's exactly what he said ucrdem May 2015 #2

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #4

utter horseshit.. sendero May 2015 #9

The statistics say otherwise: ucrdem May 2015 #12

No .. sendero May 2015 #16

Yes, they do. nt ucrdem May 2015 #17

Na na na/... sendero May 2015 #18

+1 840high May 2015 #48

+1. POS. It's obvious to anyone with two brains cells to rub together. GoneFishin May 2015 #103

The jury said: In_The_Wind May 2015 #30

The OP is about SOS Kerry's OP on TPP and that he agrees. He's not "fabricating" anything.. but, Cha May 2015 #62

Wow, that's disgusting. Major Hogwash May 2015 #89

"meme at DU is that the TPP is bad, since so many anonymous DU people say it is." Dawgs May 2015 #100

Even they probably don't like it, but are rich enough not to care about working Americans. GoneFishin May 2015 #104

In fact republicans (non-politicians) oppose it and Democrats (non-politicians) support it. pampango May 2015 #115

Nope. Polls show that Democrats are more for free trade than Republicans. Dawgs May 2015 #141

Uh . . . except they don't. Major Hogwash May 2015 #142

Uh, being against it until something is added is not "wanting this agreement". Dawgs May 2015 #144

So, it's a mystery why they would vote to give the President fast track authority! Major Hogwash May 2015 #148

"Your posts are 100% bullshit all the time and you post non-sequitur horsecrap that you act as Cha May 2015 #63

Nice post. "Your posts are 100% bullshit all the time ..." Thanks for adding to the discussion. pampango May 2015 #113

Think about this. PETRUS May 2015 #20

U-turn exports. Make 1,000 radiators in Michigan and ship them to the Ford factory in Mexico where Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #22

$1.4 trillion in exports does not come from shuffling radiators. nt ucrdem May 2015 #25

And 10 trillion dollars in trade deficits the past 30 years came from horrible fake free trade deals Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #28

Link? ucrdem May 2015 #37

Actually, its worse than 10 trillion. Figures from 1989 to early 2015. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #66

This thread sounds like Heritage Foundation fake free trade lovefest taking place right here on DU. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #68

John Kerry is pushing Heritage Foundation repuke legistlation? ucrdem May 2015 #70

Heritage, CATO, and the repukes are 100% behind the big TPP turd. Some of the talking points Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #72

Oh? You're keeping up with CATO and Heritage Foundation? ucrdem May 2015 #73

All I need to to do is read your TPP posts. You and them are two TPPeas in a pod. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #79

Google's a fascinating tool Scootaloo May 2015 #84

yes cali May 2015 #77

You two might want get your stories straight. nt ucrdem May 2015 #82

Don't worry about it much, ucrdem. Major Hogwash May 2015 #87

hey thanks, yeah I noticed some are a little weak in the truth department. nt ucrdem May 2015 #111

Actually, you're misreading the numbers. nt ucrdem May 2015 #110

It's never reached ONE trillion: ucrdem May 2015 #112

In 2014 our trade deficit with our 20 "free trade" partners was $65 billion (3% of trade with them). pampango May 2015 #117

Exactly. Many of the statistics are bastardized like that. Taxpayer funded weapons exports GoneFishin May 2015 #105

Why yes, they are. nt ucrdem May 2015 #109

Incidentally the 2014 trade deficit was less than one trillion: ucrdem May 2015 #108

I'm talking about the cumulative total since the 1980s. Its several trillion total. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #139

We all can play those games, but I prefer something approaching full data nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #24

I prefer data with links. nt ucrdem May 2015 #29

I hope you enjoy primary sources nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #32

No charts at link but thanks for playing. nt ucrdem May 2015 #33

The link is the latest release from the Federal Government nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #35

Still no link for the charts. nt ucrdem May 2015 #36

So you want old charts over the LATEST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RELEASE? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #39

Yes, suspiciously old charts. It seems the US trade deficit is, in fact, declining ucrdem May 2015 #42

And the May of this year data is also old nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #54

More than 90% of our trade deficit comes from countries with no 'free trade' agreement. pampango May 2015 #118

Except that there was no deficit with Mexico nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #122

Bullhinky 840high May 2015 #49

But what are we exporting? The bulk of US exports is military Exilednight May 2015 #102

And speaking of China . . . ucrdem May 2015 #26

and speaking of the tpp...... China is not a partner nation in it cali May 2015 #78

Exactly! And that's the point that so many are missing. jazzimov May 2015 #134

Good point. Major Hogwash May 2015 #88

Funny that so many disagree. Only the corporate puppets agree with Kerry. No one has explained rhett o rick May 2015 #52

If it's so great, don't give us his or anyone else's interpretation of it, STOP TREATING sabrina 1 May 2015 #53

when we export agricultural products, our own citizens are deprived... grasswire May 2015 #59

Because we are Biafra? ucrdem May 2015 #65

Exactly. nt scarletwoman May 2015 #3

I'm certainly not an expert, but it seems to me these deals are not always favorable RKP5637 May 2015 #5

The sentiment is out there, no doubt about it ucrdem May 2015 #6

Good points! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #8

Thank you! ucrdem May 2015 #27

that's just the stuff we see treestar May 2015 #133

....and we want medicine to be more expensive for all of them! djean111 May 2015 #7

kerry ignores (of course) that TPP is about corporate control n has zip to do with consumers nt msongs May 2015 #10

80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #11

But, they can build our stuff. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #14

TPP is between US and 11 Pacific rim countries ucrdem May 2015 #15

It is worth noting that the 11 countries is suppose to be a starting point davidpdx May 2015 #86

Or more importantly, 95% of the people who will work under slavery conditions. /nt Marr May 2015 #13

They would if there were no regulations to prevent employers from abusing them ucrdem May 2015 #19

Really? Have you read it? A Little Weird May 2015 #101

KnR ucrdem Hekate May 2015 #21

Thanks Hekate! ucrdem May 2015 #23

everyone knows at this point that the administration has their lies straight Doctor_J May 2015 #31

Kerry is lying? On which points exactly? ucrdem May 2015 #34

uhh, that this piece of shit will be good for Americans? Doctor_J May 2015 #38

Can you identify the specific statements that are lies? ucrdem May 2015 #40

I'll tell you one. subterranean May 2015 #55

I don't see him saying that, but exports HAVE dropped in the last two years ucrdem May 2015 #58

I was referring mainly to the second paragraph in your excerpt. subterranean May 2015 #67

Krugman got chewed out by some of his readers and decided it wasn't worth trying to Hoyt May 2015 #41

Probably. I noticed that his beef is with the secrecy, not the deal itself ucrdem May 2015 #44

Yes, he even gripes about he ISDS that he knows is in NAFTA and hundreds of other agreements. Hoyt May 2015 #56

Weak. Wyden's reasons for voting against his own bill were also weak. ucrdem May 2015 #61

Thank you, ucr! Cha May 2015 #43

Hey thanks Cha . . . ucrdem May 2015 #45

Facts from SOS John Kerry but of course so many don't want to hear that.. 'cause Fear Mongering/ Cha May 2015 #46

If it ain't FUD it ain't real is how the ODS crowd rolls. ucrdem May 2015 #47

Yeah, I love being in the Cha May 2015 #57

Isn't it! Hard to stay postive with so much full-bore wingnuttery flying aound ucrdem May 2015 #64

They are both intelligent, caring men who have earned my trust.. why wouldn't I.. as opposed to Cha May 2015 #71

Yep. ucrdem May 2015 #146

Ditto, ditto, ditto MBS May 2015 #93

Ditto back atcha MBS! ucrdem May 2015 #145

yeah. MBS May 2015 #94

"..if we don't lead on this, China or someone else (or -shudder- a future US administration who Cha May 2015 #96

Hey sweetie................ sheshe2 May 2015 #76

"The solution lies not in shutting the door to trade itself, but in transforming the system to make Cha May 2015 #83

As far as I'm concerned, it's worse than that. Much worse. Major Hogwash May 2015 #90

I remember Robb.. and of course, The Magistrate! I miss 'em.. Cha May 2015 #95

Robb was very kind to me when I first came here to DU. Major Hogwash May 2015 #97

I remember going round and round Cha May 2015 #98

It was like a carnival here back then. Major Hogwash May 2015 #143

Please MFrohike May 2015 #50

Ah the love for John Kerry and the hell with the unions and workers of this country. rhett o rick May 2015 #51

and I'm sure that Heinz is looking forward to the TPP. nt grasswire May 2015 #60

Reading the posts above, it almost seems as if the Heritage Foundation and RNC ended their Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #69

I never thought neverforget May 2015 #74

It's not that they trust Republicons they completely trust anyone labeled Democrat. rhett o rick May 2015 #116

So we should never trust a Republican who changes labels? ucrdem May 2015 #121

Nice try, but your logic fails. I said we should judge by principles not labels. rhett o rick May 2015 #136

WaPo: 3 pro-labor economists on why TPP benefits American workers ucrdem May 2015 #119

The republicans have three climate scientists who say global warming is a hoax. BillZBubb May 2015 #135

The exceptions that make the rule. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #138

They fail to mention how that translates into benefits for workers. Benefits for rhett o rick May 2015 #137

Kerry clearly has no or very little experience with the trade courts and has not JDPriestly May 2015 #75

"The Kerry speech is pure hogwash as far as I am concerned." Major Hogwash May 2015 #91

I have to add another comment to this thread. JDPriestly May 2015 #80

He was also wrong about NAFTA. Friends in Ohio that lost jobs because of it, Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #81

So fucking what? TPP is agout corporate dictatorship, not trade eridani May 2015 #85

Thank you, UCRdem MBS May 2015 #92

"strengthening international labor....standards"-----THAT? Is how you know he's lying. LYING. WinkyDink May 2015 #99

Translation... Wounded Bear May 2015 #106

We don't make anything here any more. What the hell is he talking about? onecaliberal May 2015 #107

Kerry is full of it. His argument is laughable on its face. BillZBubb May 2015 #114

Yet, nearly 100% of the people whom you represent live within these borders. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #120

Kerry: "the US has added 12.3 million jobs over 62 straight months of private sector growth" ucrdem May 2015 #123

Men today have to work 50 hours to earn what their fathers did in 40 lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #124

LOL, tell me about it. ucrdem May 2015 #127

No. It's the same issue. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #129

SO what, this is a giveaway to the richest people on the planet. Rex May 2015 #125

If TPP is NAFTA on steroids employment and wages are going to go through the roof. ucrdem May 2015 #126

So, nothing about the millions unemployed still from the 2008 giveaway? Rex May 2015 #128

Yep employment and wages. Notice the pattern: ucrdem May 2015 #130

People have less than they did in the 1970s and work more for less. Rex May 2015 #132

Hahaha!!!! Major Hogwash May 2015 #147

Makes sense treestar May 2015 #131

I have two issues with Kerry's remarks... ljm2002 May 2015 #140

I don't understand his claim that 95% or the world's consumers live beyond the borders of the polly7 May 2015 #149

They're using trade as a cover for more corporate profits and more corporate control of Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #150

I hate every one of these 'Free' trade deals. polly7 May 2015 #151

Kerry lives in the Washington money bubble. He is a big money corporate dem just like Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #153

What percentage of manufacturing occurs outside the US? merrily May 2015 #152