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Cha

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95. I remember Robb.. and of course, The Magistrate! I miss 'em..

Sat May 23, 2015, 05:54 AM

May 2015

I just laugh at it now. I took it more seriously in 2010 and left for 2 years... now, I've had the experience and know it's just so much crap from the same ol same ol.

I know it doesn't affect how the President does his job and gets things done.. all the boring hate means less than zero in the real world.

Obama's favorability ratings are still on the rise.. much to the consternation of those who rant, rave, and rage.

As for Skinner and the Admins.. I give them a pass.. they're really good Dems and support President Obama.. they just want their board to be an open discussion free for all within reason.

Wait until the General.. we'll see who wins.. but, whomever it is, everyone will be behind them or they will be taking a time out.

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John Kerry on TPP: "95 percent of the world�s consumers live beyond the borders of the US" [View all] ucrdem May 2015 OP

If 95% of the world wants our stuff, then why do we import so much from China? n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #1

I don't think that's exactly what he said ucrdem May 2015 #2

Thanks! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #4

utter horseshit.. sendero May 2015 #9

The statistics say otherwise: ucrdem May 2015 #12

No .. sendero May 2015 #16

Yes, they do. nt ucrdem May 2015 #17

Na na na/... sendero May 2015 #18

+1 840high May 2015 #48

+1. POS. It's obvious to anyone with two brains cells to rub together. GoneFishin May 2015 #103

The jury said: In_The_Wind May 2015 #30

The OP is about SOS Kerry's OP on TPP and that he agrees. He's not "fabricating" anything.. but, Cha May 2015 #62

Wow, that's disgusting. Major Hogwash May 2015 #89

"meme at DU is that the TPP is bad, since so many anonymous DU people say it is." Dawgs May 2015 #100

Even they probably don't like it, but are rich enough not to care about working Americans. GoneFishin May 2015 #104

In fact republicans (non-politicians) oppose it and Democrats (non-politicians) support it. pampango May 2015 #115

Nope. Polls show that Democrats are more for free trade than Republicans. Dawgs May 2015 #141

Uh . . . except they don't. Major Hogwash May 2015 #142

Uh, being against it until something is added is not "wanting this agreement". Dawgs May 2015 #144

So, it's a mystery why they would vote to give the President fast track authority! Major Hogwash May 2015 #148

"Your posts are 100% bullshit all the time and you post non-sequitur horsecrap that you act as Cha May 2015 #63

Nice post. "Your posts are 100% bullshit all the time ..." Thanks for adding to the discussion. pampango May 2015 #113

Think about this. PETRUS May 2015 #20

U-turn exports. Make 1,000 radiators in Michigan and ship them to the Ford factory in Mexico where Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #22

$1.4 trillion in exports does not come from shuffling radiators. nt ucrdem May 2015 #25

And 10 trillion dollars in trade deficits the past 30 years came from horrible fake free trade deals Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #28

Link? ucrdem May 2015 #37

Actually, its worse than 10 trillion. Figures from 1989 to early 2015. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #66

This thread sounds like Heritage Foundation fake free trade lovefest taking place right here on DU. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #68

John Kerry is pushing Heritage Foundation repuke legistlation? ucrdem May 2015 #70

Heritage, CATO, and the repukes are 100% behind the big TPP turd. Some of the talking points Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #72

Oh? You're keeping up with CATO and Heritage Foundation? ucrdem May 2015 #73

All I need to to do is read your TPP posts. You and them are two TPPeas in a pod. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #79

Google's a fascinating tool Scootaloo May 2015 #84

yes cali May 2015 #77

You two might want get your stories straight. nt ucrdem May 2015 #82

Don't worry about it much, ucrdem. Major Hogwash May 2015 #87

hey thanks, yeah I noticed some are a little weak in the truth department. nt ucrdem May 2015 #111

Actually, you're misreading the numbers. nt ucrdem May 2015 #110

It's never reached ONE trillion: ucrdem May 2015 #112

In 2014 our trade deficit with our 20 "free trade" partners was $65 billion (3% of trade with them). pampango May 2015 #117

Exactly. Many of the statistics are bastardized like that. Taxpayer funded weapons exports GoneFishin May 2015 #105

Why yes, they are. nt ucrdem May 2015 #109

Incidentally the 2014 trade deficit was less than one trillion: ucrdem May 2015 #108

I'm talking about the cumulative total since the 1980s. Its several trillion total. (nm) Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #139

We all can play those games, but I prefer something approaching full data nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #24

I prefer data with links. nt ucrdem May 2015 #29

I hope you enjoy primary sources nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #32

No charts at link but thanks for playing. nt ucrdem May 2015 #33

The link is the latest release from the Federal Government nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #35

Still no link for the charts. nt ucrdem May 2015 #36

So you want old charts over the LATEST FEDERAL GOVERNMENT RELEASE? nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #39

Yes, suspiciously old charts. It seems the US trade deficit is, in fact, declining ucrdem May 2015 #42

And the May of this year data is also old nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #54

More than 90% of our trade deficit comes from countries with no 'free trade' agreement. pampango May 2015 #118

Except that there was no deficit with Mexico nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #122

Bullhinky 840high May 2015 #49

But what are we exporting? The bulk of US exports is military Exilednight May 2015 #102

And speaking of China . . . ucrdem May 2015 #26

and speaking of the tpp...... China is not a partner nation in it cali May 2015 #78

Exactly! And that's the point that so many are missing. jazzimov May 2015 #134

Good point. Major Hogwash May 2015 #88

Funny that so many disagree. Only the corporate puppets agree with Kerry. No one has explained rhett o rick May 2015 #52

If it's so great, don't give us his or anyone else's interpretation of it, STOP TREATING sabrina 1 May 2015 #53

when we export agricultural products, our own citizens are deprived... grasswire May 2015 #59

Because we are Biafra? ucrdem May 2015 #65

Exactly. nt scarletwoman May 2015 #3

I'm certainly not an expert, but it seems to me these deals are not always favorable RKP5637 May 2015 #5

The sentiment is out there, no doubt about it ucrdem May 2015 #6

Good points! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #8

Thank you! ucrdem May 2015 #27

that's just the stuff we see treestar May 2015 #133

....and we want medicine to be more expensive for all of them! djean111 May 2015 #7

kerry ignores (of course) that TPP is about corporate control n has zip to do with consumers nt msongs May 2015 #10

80% of humanity lives on less than $10 a day TexasBushwhacker May 2015 #11

But, they can build our stuff. n/t PowerToThePeople May 2015 #14

TPP is between US and 11 Pacific rim countries ucrdem May 2015 #15

It is worth noting that the 11 countries is suppose to be a starting point davidpdx May 2015 #86

Or more importantly, 95% of the people who will work under slavery conditions. /nt Marr May 2015 #13

They would if there were no regulations to prevent employers from abusing them ucrdem May 2015 #19

Really? Have you read it? A Little Weird May 2015 #101

KnR ucrdem Hekate May 2015 #21

Thanks Hekate! ucrdem May 2015 #23

everyone knows at this point that the administration has their lies straight Doctor_J May 2015 #31

Kerry is lying? On which points exactly? ucrdem May 2015 #34

uhh, that this piece of shit will be good for Americans? Doctor_J May 2015 #38

Can you identify the specific statements that are lies? ucrdem May 2015 #40

I'll tell you one. subterranean May 2015 #55

I don't see him saying that, but exports HAVE dropped in the last two years ucrdem May 2015 #58

I was referring mainly to the second paragraph in your excerpt. subterranean May 2015 #67

Krugman got chewed out by some of his readers and decided it wasn't worth trying to Hoyt May 2015 #41

Probably. I noticed that his beef is with the secrecy, not the deal itself ucrdem May 2015 #44

Yes, he even gripes about he ISDS that he knows is in NAFTA and hundreds of other agreements. Hoyt May 2015 #56

Weak. Wyden's reasons for voting against his own bill were also weak. ucrdem May 2015 #61

Thank you, ucr! Cha May 2015 #43

Hey thanks Cha . . . ucrdem May 2015 #45

Facts from SOS John Kerry but of course so many don't want to hear that.. 'cause Fear Mongering/ Cha May 2015 #46

If it ain't FUD it ain't real is how the ODS crowd rolls. ucrdem May 2015 #47

Yeah, I love being in the Cha May 2015 #57

Isn't it! Hard to stay postive with so much full-bore wingnuttery flying aound ucrdem May 2015 #64

They are both intelligent, caring men who have earned my trust.. why wouldn't I.. as opposed to Cha May 2015 #71

Yep. ucrdem May 2015 #146

Ditto, ditto, ditto MBS May 2015 #93

Ditto back atcha MBS! ucrdem May 2015 #145

yeah. MBS May 2015 #94

"..if we don't lead on this, China or someone else (or -shudder- a future US administration who Cha May 2015 #96

Hey sweetie................ sheshe2 May 2015 #76

"The solution lies not in shutting the door to trade itself, but in transforming the system to make Cha May 2015 #83

As far as I'm concerned, it's worse than that. Much worse. Major Hogwash May 2015 #90

I remember Robb.. and of course, The Magistrate! I miss 'em.. Cha May 2015 #95

Robb was very kind to me when I first came here to DU. Major Hogwash May 2015 #97

I remember going round and round Cha May 2015 #98

It was like a carnival here back then. Major Hogwash May 2015 #143

Please MFrohike May 2015 #50

Ah the love for John Kerry and the hell with the unions and workers of this country. rhett o rick May 2015 #51

and I'm sure that Heinz is looking forward to the TPP. nt grasswire May 2015 #60

Reading the posts above, it almost seems as if the Heritage Foundation and RNC ended their Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #69

I never thought neverforget May 2015 #74

It's not that they trust Republicons they completely trust anyone labeled Democrat. rhett o rick May 2015 #116

So we should never trust a Republican who changes labels? ucrdem May 2015 #121

Nice try, but your logic fails. I said we should judge by principles not labels. rhett o rick May 2015 #136

WaPo: 3 pro-labor economists on why TPP benefits American workers ucrdem May 2015 #119

The republicans have three climate scientists who say global warming is a hoax. BillZBubb May 2015 #135

The exceptions that make the rule. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #138

They fail to mention how that translates into benefits for workers. Benefits for rhett o rick May 2015 #137

Kerry clearly has no or very little experience with the trade courts and has not JDPriestly May 2015 #75

"The Kerry speech is pure hogwash as far as I am concerned." Major Hogwash May 2015 #91

I have to add another comment to this thread. JDPriestly May 2015 #80

He was also wrong about NAFTA. Friends in Ohio that lost jobs because of it, Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #81

So fucking what? TPP is agout corporate dictatorship, not trade eridani May 2015 #85

Thank you, UCRdem MBS May 2015 #92

"strengthening international labor....standards"-----THAT? Is how you know he's lying. LYING. WinkyDink May 2015 #99

Translation... Wounded Bear May 2015 #106

We don't make anything here any more. What the hell is he talking about? onecaliberal May 2015 #107

Kerry is full of it. His argument is laughable on its face. BillZBubb May 2015 #114

Yet, nearly 100% of the people whom you represent live within these borders. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #120

Kerry: "the US has added 12.3 million jobs over 62 straight months of private sector growth" ucrdem May 2015 #123

Men today have to work 50 hours to earn what their fathers did in 40 lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #124

LOL, tell me about it. ucrdem May 2015 #127

No. It's the same issue. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #129

SO what, this is a giveaway to the richest people on the planet. Rex May 2015 #125

If TPP is NAFTA on steroids employment and wages are going to go through the roof. ucrdem May 2015 #126

So, nothing about the millions unemployed still from the 2008 giveaway? Rex May 2015 #128

Yep employment and wages. Notice the pattern: ucrdem May 2015 #130

People have less than they did in the 1970s and work more for less. Rex May 2015 #132

Hahaha!!!! Major Hogwash May 2015 #147

Makes sense treestar May 2015 #131

I have two issues with Kerry's remarks... ljm2002 May 2015 #140

I don't understand his claim that 95% or the world's consumers live beyond the borders of the polly7 May 2015 #149

They're using trade as a cover for more corporate profits and more corporate control of Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #150

I hate every one of these 'Free' trade deals. polly7 May 2015 #151

Kerry lives in the Washington money bubble. He is a big money corporate dem just like Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #153

What percentage of manufacturing occurs outside the US? merrily May 2015 #152