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Maedhros

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53. It holds up better that you think.
Sat May 23, 2015, 12:38 PM
May 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/12/magazine/the-detail-in-seymour-hershs-bin-laden-story-that-rings-true.html?_r=0

On this count, my own reporting tracks with Hersh’s. Beginning in 2001, I spent nearly 12 years covering Pakistan and Afghanistan for The Times. (In his article, Hersh cites an article I wrote for The Times Magazine last year, an excerpt from a book drawn from this reporting.) The story of the Pakistani informer was circulating in the rumor mill within days of the Abbottabad raid, but at the time, no one could or would corroborate the claim. Such is the difficulty of reporting on covert operations and intelligence matters; there are no official documents to draw on, few officials who will talk and few ways to check the details they give you when they do.


Hersh appears to have succeeded in getting both American and Pakistani sources to corroborate it. His sources remain anonymous, but other outlets such as NBC News have since come forward with similar accounts. Finally, the Pakistani daily newspaper The News reported Tuesday that Pakistani intelligence officials have conceded that it was indeed a walk-in who provided the information on Bin Laden. The newspaper names the officer as Brigadier Usman Khalid; the reporter is sufficiently well connected that he should be taken seriously.


http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/pakistanis-knew-where-bin-laden-was-say-us-sources-n357306

Intelligence sources tell NBC News that in the year before the U.S. raid that killed Osama bin Laden, a retired Pakistani military intelligence officer helped the CIA track him down.

While the Pakistani intelligence asset provided vital information in the hunt for bin Laden, he did not provide the location of the al Qaeda leader's Abottabad, Pakistan compound, sources said.

Three sources also said that some officials in the Pakistani government knew where bin Laden was hiding all along.


https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/11/former-professor-reported-basics-hershs-bin-laden-story-2011-seemingly-different-sources/

R.J. Hillhouse, a former professor, Fulbright fellow and novelist whose writing on intelligence and military outsourcing has appeared in the Washington Post and New York Times, made the same main assertions in 2011 about the death of Osama bin Laden as Seymour Hersh’s new story in the London Review of Books — apparently based on different sources than those used by Hersh.


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Why is this important? pnwmom May 2015 #1
And a country with a lot of complicated and shifting internal factions Recursion May 2015 #2
Links have been posted here with articles by journalists Mojorabbit May 2015 #40
Do you mind if I roll my eyes? Recursion May 2015 #41
No because it was exactly what I expected from you! nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #42
dupe Mojorabbit May 2015 #42
It's important because this is.... MaggieD May 2015 #3
You got that right. randome May 2015 #14
list them all- Parry, Palast, Bernstein, Rather, etc reddread May 2015 #21
Sorry, I'm only talking about Hersh, whose career seems to be paralleling Bernstein's. randome May 2015 #25
New Yorker, FTR OilemFirchen May 2015 #44
Exactly - the end justifies all means gratuitous May 2015 #24
It's important to me because our Gov't was not honest. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #29
BINGO! You can't build Democracy on lies. Octafish May 2015 #33
EXACTLY !!! - And Some People Are Pefectly Comfortable With Being Lied To... WillyT May 2015 #35
EXACTLY grasswire May 2015 #52
I like Hersh and have always admired his journalism but in this case, I don't think he published OregonBlue May 2015 #38
And here come the authoritarian "intelligence experts" whatchamacallit May 2015 #4
Like Forrest Gump's shrimp menu reddread May 2015 #5
It is all so sad and predictable. Vattel May 2015 #11
Yep... "What's The Big Deal ?" Abouth The Government Lying... WillyT May 2015 #39
Abu Grahib. dixiegrrrrl May 2015 #58
Hey! We got bin Laden!! FlatBaroque May 2015 #12
I don't get why it matters. Sounds like "Benghazi" to me. Hoyt May 2015 #6
Post 11 was written for people like you. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #13
Heck, that's worse than the OP. That doesn't answer why it matters. Hoyt May 2015 #23
Here is one very important reason why this is important. TM99 May 2015 #7
It will be proven when there is, you know, proof. Or even evidence. randome May 2015 #16
So you have access to all the same sourses that Hersh had. interesting. nt Javaman May 2015 #26
If Hersh wants to be believed, he needs to publish evidence, not hearsay. randome May 2015 #31
LOL Javaman May 2015 #50
if true, we really do live in Orwell's world PowerToThePeople May 2015 #8
The only reason the Nation wants to take it seriously is it could potentially hurt Clinton wyldwolf May 2015 #9
Do regale us with tales of your advanced Bullshit Detector. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #17
Irrelevant reply wyldwolf May 2015 #19
That's right. Run away. Run away. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #20
That's right change the subject change the subject wyldwolf May 2015 #48
ahh yes, a well thought out retort. Javaman May 2015 #28
It doesn't take much thought to reply to irrelevant reply wyldwolf May 2015 #49
and again, attacking me rather than giving facts Javaman May 2015 #51
you seem concerned stonecutter357 May 2015 #10
Wait; would this be revelation of a.....government conspiracy?? WinkyDink May 2015 #15
Opus Dei. JaneyVee May 2015 #18
I don't believe anything.. sendero May 2015 #22
Though Hersh may have gotten a sentence right does not make his story correct. Thinkingabout May 2015 #27
It's all part of the grand narrative... CanSocDem May 2015 #30
Never seen a claim that bin Laden single-handedly did anything. OilemFirchen May 2015 #45
The facts in this report did not hold up to scrutiny Gothmog May 2015 #32
It holds up better that you think. Maedhros May 2015 #53
R.J. Hillhouse in 2011: ''The story of how bin Laden was found is fiction'' Octafish May 2015 #55
Unfortunately, the authoritarians will bow to whatever the Leader Figure says. Maedhros May 2015 #56
As those on the ends of the teeter totter glare at each other, the crooks get away with the cash. Octafish May 2015 #57
k and r nashville_brook May 2015 #34
The Nation should be embarrassed for printing such nonsense. tritsofme May 2015 #36
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT May 2015 #37
that also lines up with Bhutto saying he was dead by '07: when someone's "diasppeared" MisterP May 2015 #46
Anonymous retired Pakistani intelligence officer is his source? redstateblues May 2015 #47
See post #53. Maedhros May 2015 #54
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