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Jamastiene

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113. Actually, that looks like a Title IX violation to me.

Sat May 23, 2015, 03:20 PM

May 2015

That is how I got the graduation dress code for women changed at RCC, the community college I went to at that time. They had a stipulation that women had to wear dresses and could not wear pant suits. There was no requirement that men must wear dresses too. That is giving women one set of rules and men another. I pointed out the Title IX violation to everyone in the administration and asked the ACLU about it. The ACLU sent a letter to them for me and they changed the dress code. Before that, they were sticking to their guns. The ACLU made them change their mind quite quickly.

When they announced the change, the women gave a standing ovation. I had no idea anyone else would appreciate the change as much as I did until I saw that. I was amazed, to be honest. I thought I would be the only one to complain about the policy.

My major at that time was Electrical/Electronics Technology. I had to crawl around on the floor and wire 600 Volt electrical circuits and wire transformers and wallow in the dust and dirt to pull wire and all of the other stuff just like the guys did. I'd like to see any of the administration at that college do THAT in a dress. The guys stood with me on that too. They said they sure wouldn't want to try it in a dress, lol. There was one other girl in the class, but she didn't seem all hell to interested in changing the policy. She said she would not march at graduation and just wanted the diploma. She didn't want to wear a dress either. Trust me, the two of us would have looked like Tom Hanks and Peter Scolari from Bosom Buddies if we had worn dresses.

Most women ended up wearing pants suits to graduation. I later got a Computer Engineering degree and still wore a pants suit to that graduation too. They didn't change the policy back once they finally changed it.

Any time they have a different set of rules for women or girls than they do for men or boys, it is a Title IX violation.

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Mom Fights School Policy That Says Girls �Must� Wear T-Shirts at Pool [View all] demmiblue May 2015 OP

I agree with it ann--- May 2015 #1

Imagine what happens? jberryhill May 2015 #4

You know what happens! Cal Carpenter May 2015 #20

Thread win treestar May 2015 #207

I thought competitive women swimmers wear one piece swim suits because... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #65

They wear whatever helps streamline their swimming glowing May 2015 #183

It's a saftey issue. PRB May 2015 #255

No it isn't, these kids are not going to be unsupervised, and again, why should the girls... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #263

The boys are coverd up. PRB May 2015 #266

No. Boys should be taught to be non-predatory toward girls. randome May 2015 #5

I apparently missed out on whatever it is for years jberryhill May 2015 #6

Must be one of those 'wink, wink, nudge, nudge' things. randome May 2015 #12

say no more treestar May 2015 #212

Why, it's SEX, of course. A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #19

Apparently, I went to the wrong 6th grade pool parties jberryhill May 2015 #24

You and me both. A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #26

Same here. Mid- to late-'70s. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #49

Me too. treestar May 2015 #214

Oh, right, halter tops! WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #233

hip hugger pants treestar May 2015 #238

Bwahaha... I forgot about bodysuits and those damn snaps. WorseBeforeBetter May 2015 #251

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #270

boners for 10, Alex? elehhhhna May 2015 #30

They happen anyway jberryhill May 2015 #32

Shit, at that age, boners are random. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2015 #34

Yep jberryhill May 2015 #35

LOL, yeah... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #36

Why did you not get your share of what happens? treestar May 2015 #211

None of that happened at a pool party jberryhill May 2015 #237

"Sixth grade girls should be taught modesty..." Hell Hath No Fury May 2015 #14

Disgusting. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #16

It is SHAMING etherealtruth May 2015 #17

It's not necessarily about the reaction of the opposite sex TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #139

You are talking about preteens, FFS! demmiblue May 2015 #140

Oh for the love of pete ... you are serious, aren't you? etherealtruth May 2015 #142

You're making assumptions gollygee May 2015 #143

Then why wouldn't the school just say no bikinis? n/t tammywammy May 2015 #149

I suppose then that you would agree that the girls could go topless just like the boys then, kelly1mm May 2015 #158

Oh, you poor soul etherealtruth May 2015 #159

Actually I am serious. Treating males and females differently in an educational setting kelly1mm May 2015 #160

I actually think it is a violation pertaining to equal rights etherealtruth May 2015 #162

THANK YOU for the link! I think that making tops (and type of top) optional for all, not kelly1mm May 2015 #164

I apologize for my initial response ... etherealtruth May 2015 #166

Tell me what YOU imagine wold happen. Iggo May 2015 #18

I don't believe I just fucking read that on DU.... truebrit71 May 2015 #22

And ann--- May 2015 #45

Why just young girls? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2015 #48

ann...ann...ann.... trumad May 2015 #51

I think you're right ann--- May 2015 #174

modesty is wrong when you try and preach it. trumad May 2015 #175

Modesty is never wrong ann--- May 2015 #192

She only gave her opinion. cwydro May 2015 #215

It's a pretty stupid opinion. GoneOffShore May 2015 #244

So what? cwydro May 2015 #245

Stupid opinions - which don't have the same weight as opinions informed by facts, GoneOffShore May 2015 #247

Oh ok. cwydro May 2015 #248

Ann is being remarkably dense. GoneOffShore May 2015 #249

Are you saying only a certain number of people should be able to reply on a topic? uppityperson May 2015 #252

It's not an 'innocent remark on the side of modesty' - it's SEXIST and deserves criticism Matariki May 2015 #199

My comment was not sexist ann--- May 2015 #200

LOL - "the whole problem with a lot of liberals today" Matariki May 2015 #201

"the whole problem with a lot of liberals today" is not wanting double standards? uppityperson May 2015 #210

oh dear. are we liberaling wrong again? LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #213

Grandma, is that you? LeftyMom May 2015 #53

Wearing extra clothes while swimming is not "proper." gollygee May 2015 #54

It didn't say they ann--- May 2015 #55

Yes, it says they have to wear a shirt over their swimsuit gollygee May 2015 #61

OMG - but it didn't say "while in the pool" ann--- May 2015 #62

Wearing a t-shirt at a pool goes beyond modesty gollygee May 2015 #64

Have you ann--- May 2015 #66

Why not just require them all to wear this instead? Humanist_Activist May 2015 #72

Boys ann--- May 2015 #87

So? n/t Humanist_Activist May 2015 #90

Overweight boys have larger breasts than many 6th grade girls. Why should he be allowed his uppityperson May 2015 #91

They don't? MineralMan May 2015 #127

Apparently, you have never seen moobs. Jamastiene May 2015 #135

Requiring girls to be fully covered isn't shaming but simply ensures all will be covered? uppityperson May 2015 #76

I have daughters gollygee May 2015 #82

And, if the school ann--- May 2015 #97

Whiny parents? gollygee May 2015 #98

The article did not say that ann--- May 2015 #101

No but if they had been gollygee May 2015 #104

That's all speculation ann--- May 2015 #106

And they can expect negative feedback if they make stupid rules gollygee May 2015 #108

OMG ann--- May 2015 #114

Oh good, are you leaving DU? n/t tammywammy May 2015 #117

... Jamastiene May 2015 #161

That's unnecessary. cwydro May 2015 #189

It's an interesting debate treestar May 2015 #219

This "whiny parent" had a son, not a daughter. She emailed the school, asked for ALL kids to uppityperson May 2015 #121

It's Indiana - I'm trying to image the swim suits sold to 11 year olds treestar May 2015 #220

I disagree with this rule, would've protested it when my child was in 6th grade. Am I "whiny" too? uppityperson May 2015 #99

Yo ann -- The mom who protested had a SON but she recognized sexist bullshit when she saw it. Arugula Latte May 2015 #118

Whoa ann--- May 2015 #169

Uh, I've been here since 2001. Maybe you're the one changing it for the worse. Arugula Latte May 2015 #178

It's very awkward to be around a 13 year old in a bikini TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #138

It isn't the job of kids to make grown men comfortable gollygee May 2015 #141

Maybe it behooves us all to act appropriately TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #146

A great number of people gollygee May 2015 #147

Thank you! Jamastiene May 2015 #163

6th grade girls dressing ann--- May 2015 #168

A swimsuit on a 12 year old isn't immodest tammywammy May 2015 #171

How many times do I have to say this ann--- May 2015 #173

Making them wear a shirt is shaming tammywammy May 2015 #176

Your last sentence says it all treestar May 2015 #223

Grown men should be uncomfortable considering a 12 or 13 yr old as sexy. uppityperson May 2015 #148

Exactly. Jamastiene May 2015 #165

Maybe the school ann--- May 2015 #170

What would the inevitable problems be? n/t gollygee May 2015 #185

Sooooo the young girl shouldn't wear a bathing suit at a swimming pool because the males can't underahedgerow May 2015 #206

I see your point to a degree treestar May 2015 #218

boys are allowed to go bare-chested because they have xy chromosome? wtf? uppityperson May 2015 #74

Who made you Pope of this dump? TransitJohn May 2015 #58

No one ann--- May 2015 #63

I think shaming girls is more disrespectful than a fucking word on a forum uppityperson May 2015 #75

AMEN!!!! etherealtruth May 2015 #78

Exactly Stargazer09 May 2015 #131

Absolutely right. nt laundry_queen May 2015 #153

Fucking is not a vulgar word. alphafemale May 2015 #126

Only to those who use it constantly ann--- May 2015 #203

You have that backwards. It is vulgar to those who don't use it because THEY consider it vulgar uppityperson May 2015 #208

Fucking A! alphafemale May 2015 #216

If it weren't, on some level, considered negative, it wouldn't be used as an insult ala "fuck you"! whathehell May 2015 #229

"I don't believe I just fucking read that". It is used as emphasis in the phrase objected to uppityperson May 2015 #230

No shit, sherlock, but it is ALSO used as a negative as in "Fuck You" whathehell May 2015 #231

Right you are, Watson. As is "shit". uppityperson May 2015 #232

Back shit at ya, bro whathehell May 2015 #235

Modesty and decency means NOT sexualizing young kids Cal Carpenter May 2015 #145

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #221

Hey there, did you read the article where the school said they were wrong after the mom uppityperson May 2015 #224

WTF? cyberswede May 2015 #23

You seem to be a misogynist, why are you on this board? Humanist_Activist May 2015 #33

Whoa ann--- May 2015 #43

Correction, I have a memory. And the internet has a memory that generally never forgets. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2015 #47

you are going after the poster rather than sticking to the point treestar May 2015 #225

Yet they continue to say only girls need to cover up, that boys breasts are different uppityperson May 2015 #228

This has nothing to do with sex, but rather misogyny. What they are arguing for... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #265

No you have a bullseye. trumad May 2015 #52

You should have been banned for that comment about drunk girls Arugula Latte May 2015 #84

I never ann--- May 2015 #86

You certainly did: Arugula Latte May 2015 #89

And where does it say ann--- May 2015 #103

You said drunk girls got raped because they didn't respect themselves gollygee May 2015 #105

No, I didn't ann--- May 2015 #107

Everybody can read it. gollygee May 2015 #109

Where did I say anything about ann--- May 2015 #112

Wearing a shirt over a swimming suit to a pool is not "morals" or "ethics."n/t gollygee May 2015 #116

Yes, it is ann--- May 2015 #167

Teaching 12 year old girls to be ashamed of their bodies is not moral or ethical uppityperson May 2015 #181

No because then gollygee May 2015 #184

It isn't a lack of reading comprehension Egnever May 2015 #260

+ infinity. n/t JTFrog May 2015 #198

No, you do not have a stalker. You posted something MineralMan May 2015 #130

You're not alone. whathehell May 2015 #227

Really? Yes, I can imagine what might happen. MineralMan May 2015 #38

Thanks for your input, Ms. Dugger. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author winter is coming May 2015 #41

You think it's inappropriate to wear a swimming suit to a pool? gollygee May 2015 #44

Boys have nipples. Why shouldn't a fair policy have required them to wear t-shirts, too? pnwmom May 2015 #60

Please tell me you are just messing with us. nt Logical May 2015 #67

She posted that girls aren't turned on by bare chested guys in a response... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #71

Yeah, tell that one to my wife awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #133

in answer to your question: yes, clearly they can etherealtruth May 2015 #137

WTF?!! Arugula Latte May 2015 #81

You deserve all the scorn you're getting from this post. nt abelenkpe May 2015 #85

Wow ann--- May 2015 #202

DU is rancid for heaping scorn on someone who thinks 12 year old girls need to take responsibility uppityperson May 2015 #209

End scene. GoneOffShore May 2015 #250

Remember all the people that got all freaked out because the Obama girls wore SLEEVELESS underahedgerow May 2015 #120

Good post. Well put. Matariki May 2015 #204

Crazy sister-in-law Ann, is that you? we can do it May 2015 #123

I think I figured out who this poster is... alphafemale May 2015 #124

It IS shaming Stargazer09 May 2015 #132

i was a competitive swimmer from 4-18. i wore a suit almost as much as clothes. damn good thing we seabeyond May 2015 #151

plus, being in a pool in a shirt is uncomfortable tammywammy May 2015 #156

Burkhas are well known for their utility as flotation devices Orrex May 2015 #188

Of course. Plenty of people agree with you LadyHawkAZ May 2015 #190

It's shaming. JTFrog May 2015 #197

Are you serious or not? PersonNumber503602 May 2015 #222

Never been to Europe, have you? GoneOffShore May 2015 #246

I missed this. PRB May 2015 #256

Modesty for girls only though, that's what makes it sexist. n/t Humanist_Activist May 2015 #264

If so, the boys should be required to do the same. roody May 2015 #258

LONGEST SUBTHREAD EVER! snooper2 May 2015 #267

I'm old. Why no Speedos ? virgogal May 2015 #2

Dunno -- especially since not all Speedos are either brief... rocktivity May 2015 #8

Thanks----it's a puzzlement. virgogal May 2015 #9

Kudos to Jennifer Smith! Way to go Mom! In_The_Wind May 2015 #3

Thank you and Good job Jennifer! Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #7

I almost exclusively wore Speedos when I was young... demmiblue May 2015 #11

So what about your brief.... Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #13

I was in swim team in the late 60s cwydro May 2015 #28

Any reply that alludes to "back in my day" is not up-to-date on the stripperfication of young WinkyDink May 2015 #10

We're talking swimsuits here jberryhill May 2015 #25

I just went swimsuit shopping for my 7th grader at a very trendy teen fashion store. Maedhros May 2015 #31

I have a young girl and a young teen gollygee May 2015 #46

I bought a pool heater today... ileus May 2015 #15

No nipples for you. A HERETIC I AM May 2015 #21

Bet the guys are gonna love that all boy pool party. nt B2G May 2015 #27

And horny boys are applauding her actions too bluestateguy May 2015 #29

Exactly ann--- May 2015 #42

And I'm sure horny girls applaud the fact that boys aren't required to wear t-shirts... Humanist_Activist May 2015 #50

Since when are ann--- May 2015 #68

Uhm, since humans have existed? Do you know anything about human sexuality? Humanist_Activist May 2015 #70

Are you serious? gollygee May 2015 #88

So, what you're saying is ann--- May 2015 #92

A boy going bare chested is directly parallel to a girl in a bikini gollygee May 2015 #95

It is not ann--- May 2015 #100

How is creating this shame-based environment gollygee May 2015 #102

trouble is they are letting the girls know they have treestar May 2015 #226

Girls "should respect their bodies enough" to take responsibility for your issues? uppityperson May 2015 #96

It should be the same fucking thing laundry_queen May 2015 #155

Since forever. Good lord, look at book covers, look at movies and tv shows. uppityperson May 2015 #94

OMG Funny!! Girls not turned on by bare-chested boys Matariki May 2015 #205

These are elementary school boys and girls. That's ridiculous riderinthestorm May 2015 #56

pretty sophomoric blue, but not surprised. nt seabeyond May 2015 #150

I'd like to see girls and boys in solidarity procon May 2015 #37

And ann--- May 2015 #69

Women have breasts. procon May 2015 #73

And this is an age gollygee May 2015 #93

I'm not shaming anyone ann--- May 2015 #110

Telling her that in order to be modest, she has to wear a shirt over her swimming suit gollygee May 2015 #111

Telling girls they are not dressed modestly is shaming them. uppityperson May 2015 #115

Think about it. procon May 2015 #136

I cannot understand how allowing the males to go topless while forcing the females to wear tops kelly1mm May 2015 #119

they are 10 and 11 yr old kids. how about NOT using the woman body to make a point of stupidity seabeyond May 2015 #152

6th grade and the admins are worried about what exactly? Rex May 2015 #39

Well, are there going to be any Duggar boys... Whiskeytide May 2015 #57

I'm very impressed that a mother of a son would think of this and take this stand. Good for her! nt pnwmom May 2015 #59

She's right... deathrind May 2015 #77

Interesting discussion. In theory, all the students should be able to choose to wear tops or not. kelly1mm May 2015 #79

That is a good question and I agree, they should be allowed to. uppityperson May 2015 #80

I agree 100% nt laundry_queen May 2015 #157

Hmmmmm, speedos? Really? abelenkpe May 2015 #83

so you know. i was competitive swimming too for a decade and half. for everyone to make a deal of it seabeyond May 2015 #154

Actually, that looks like a Title IX violation to me. Jamastiene May 2015 #113

Would forcing girls to wear tops of ANY kind while allowing boys to not wear tops also be in kelly1mm May 2015 #122

There is no reason the boys cannot be forced to wear shirts too. Jamastiene May 2015 #125

I agree that having boys wear tops would be settle the Title IX issue. But you did not answer kelly1mm May 2015 #128

According to the article, that is what this mom of a boy asked for. School refused, then made uppityperson May 2015 #129

Sure and then some would show up like this: kelly1mm May 2015 #134

God bless that Jamaica girl Blue_Tires May 2016 #271

Good for you! Thanks for standing up for women's rights. DawgHouse May 2015 #144

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #172

And the boys? How about them? Arugula Latte May 2015 #179

Do you wear a burqa when you go out? uppityperson May 2015 #182

what is your obsession with modesty? fizzgig May 2015 #217

You are a good citizen, comrade! tabasco May 2015 #236

I am really disappointed in the posts I am reading on here. It is clear most people on DU are from liberal_at_heart May 2015 #177

Part of the problem is the Big Three patriarchal monotheisms. Arugula Latte May 2015 #180

No need to be disappointed, most of what you are reading are troll posts. demmiblue May 2015 #186

Don't be disappointed ... the vast majority of posters believe the teacher was out of line etherealtruth May 2015 #187

Small correction: it was the administration not the teacher. demmiblue May 2015 #191

Yep ... i am sorry I wanted to respond quickly etherealtruth May 2015 #193

I hope I didn't sound like I was chastising you, I just wanted to point that out. demmiblue May 2015 #194

Not at all etherealtruth May 2015 #195

I don't know what is more shocking LostOne4Ever May 2015 #196

233 replies and I don't think anyone read far enough to see "No Speedos" Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2015 #234

Speedo is a brand name ... it is often worn by competitive swimmers etherealtruth May 2015 #239

Speedo is as much a brand name as Kleenex is Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2015 #241

Clearly you do not swim etherealtruth May 2015 #242

Google Image Search "speedo" Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2015 #243

Are you trying to be ironic? etherealtruth May 2015 #253

Did you read far enough in the article to see the school changed its policy after this mom protested uppityperson May 2015 #240

I was developing breasts in the 6th grade gwheezie May 2015 #254

All participants should wear a t shirt roody May 2015 #257

Our pool parties would have been scandalous to these people. polly7 May 2015 #259

I wish the Puritans' ships had all sunk halfway across the Atlantic. Arugula Latte May 2015 #261

I'm sure glad there were none at our parties. polly7 May 2015 #262

If I try really hard to be charitable Syzygy321 Aug 2015 #268

speedo rule reinventingcory Aug 2015 #269