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BainsBane

(57,672 posts)
20. I didn't speak for anyone
Sat May 23, 2015, 06:48 PM
May 2015

The fact there was an uprising is also a fact, a fact you chose to ignore because you evidently think they are obligated to live under a government you wouldn't tolerate for a second. It is every bit as much of a fact as the UN figures you sited to make clear you think the Libyans--the ones who rose up, the ones you clearly think count less because of their failure to pay fealty to a dictator--should have sucked it up and been happy with what they were given.

The only parallel is that they are both Arab countries, and the US intervened. The differences far outweigh the similarities.

I did not misstate facts. The existence of an uprising is not a misstatement. You completely ignored its existence and claimed the situation was identical to Iraq, which goes far beyond simple misstatement. To then accuse me of arrogance for daring to point out differences that you very conveniently left out in order to distort the situation is par for the course. Yes, an uprising existed. That is not a misstatement, no matter how much you seek to conceal that fact.

I told you my position. You don't get to recast it for me because you find the fact I mention some clear differences to be inconvenient.

You think Libyans shouldn't have risen up. Bully for you. You rattle off some stats from the UN that you insist are the only information acceptable to present, pretend you are asking for opinions and then get upset when people point out how weak your argument is. Let me make it clear. Whatever any Libyans choose to do in regard to affirming or overturning their own government is not subject to your or my approval, and that goes for every other nation on the planet. What you think about that is meaningless, and that you think it incumbent on you to pass judgment is precisely the arrogance I was addressing.

Whether the US should have intervened is a separate question from the uprising itself, which I submit you nor I have NO right to question. You have never even been to Libya. Who are you to decide they should have to continue to live under a dictatorship?

I feel quite certain that if Hillary Clinton had argued for intervention in Rwanda, most here would be justifying it. We get you want nothing more than to see her never seek office. It's pretty obvious as every position and event--including Benghazi--is resurrected for the all important goal of keeping a lone woman from ever becoming president. And I have no doubt that if the Democratic primary electorate chooses her, people will demonstrate as much disrespect for those voters as they now do to African Americans and other demographics who favor her, and as they do to the people of places like Libya, whose popular movements they have decided need to be invalidated in order to oppose the awful pretender to the presidency.

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Ah ... the apples to rocks comparison. JoePhilly May 2015 #1
+ 1,000,000,000,000 eom MohRokTah May 2015 #22
not unless you can cogently explain why the comparison isn't apt. cali May 2015 #2
You are 100% correct malaise May 2015 #3
thanks Malaise cali May 2015 #4
There are many similarities, but there are also differences malaise May 2015 #5
thanks. I'd add two more words cali May 2015 #6
And Naomi Klein would agree malaise May 2015 #7
There are several differences BainsBane May 2015 #8
No, it was not a popular uprising. That's been debunked many, many times. nt. polly7 May 2015 #9
Thank you for all the info on another OP. sadoldgirl May 2015 #13
You're very welcome. polly7 May 2015 #17
I didn't claim they were the same. I claimed there are parallels. cali May 2015 #14
I didn't speak for anyone BainsBane May 2015 #20
Then stop telling people that they are unscrupulous in so many words for not caring the boston bean May 2015 #10
Stop putting words in my mouth, bean. It's less than honest.l cali May 2015 #15
helping start the chaos in Syria, was a continuation of intervention in Libya quadrature May 2015 #11
Doesn't dignify a response. joshcryer May 2015 #12
Yeah it's basically the same thing as the invasion of Iraq. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #16
Logically, I supported action in Libya because a Civil War had broken out... brooklynite May 2015 #18
Please, tell us about democracy. PETRUS May 2015 #25
A murderous dictator is dead at the hands of his own people 4now May 2015 #19
People seem to romanticize the role of the US and our Cal Carpenter May 2015 #21
. MohRokTah May 2015 #23
these Whiz Kids 1. don't ever plan past 6 months and 2. see any group as their employees MisterP May 2015 #24
TOTALLY different. Night and day. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #26
Umm, what? Libya was already in civil war when the NATO bombing occurred. DanTex May 2015 #27
Exactly MaggieD May 2015 #28
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