All politics are flawed (Reply #87) - Democratic Underground

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #86)

Sun May 24, 2015, 01:21 AM

MaggieD (7,393 posts)

87. All politics are flawed

Ours are just less flawed than the other side. If you want to win you need to think more pragmatically. You need numbers, the majority, control of the WH. And when you get the WH for long enough you also get the courts. And if we get the courts that's worth A LOT.

In facts it's worth most of the (eventual) change you want to see.

You have to think more strategically. And honestly, you have to get a seat at the table. I'm very liberal and agree on principle with most of you here. Maybe not FP, but with just about everything else. I'm just saying you're going about it the wrong way. IMO.

P.S. I already knew you didn't care if I was nice to you. That part was a joke.

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what is the populist movement creating today in the sanders campaign? inclusive? exclusive? [View all]	seabeyond	May 2015	OP
I thnk they are trying to succede where they failed in 1980.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#1
in their group, they have an OP. change DU to Pu. be the teabagger of the republican party, to the	seabeyond	May 2015	#2
Any DU group has absolutely no bearing on the outside world	cyberswede	May 2015	#3
social network has importance this election as i stated intiially when addressing sanders campaign.	seabeyond	May 2015	#6
I get that focusing only on economic issues CAN exclude social issues...	cyberswede	May 2015	#11
one, fuckin sentence. in the whole OP that was political. couldnt ask me to take it out? cali	seabeyond	May 2015	#15
Cali never made an OP attacking you personally.	polly7	May 2015	#21
thanks. no I did not make an OP about her.	cali	May 2015	#25
that is boldfaced false. I did not write an op that attacks you	cali	May 2015	#27
in the title you called me out per an OP of mine. those in the conversation were aware,	seabeyond	May 2015	#28
If you were "...called out per an OP of mine...", then it sounds as if you were..........	socialist_n_TN	May 2015	#116
Talk about boldfaced lies. You tee'd off on her thread because you	R B Garr	May 2015	#35
that was hardly all there was to it. I object to misinformation	cali	May 2015	#37
exactly. everyone listening to calli on that thread, saw her call out in the OP. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#41
There was no callout. I can't imagine how you could call it that.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#112
Results	Bobbie Jo	May 2015	#53
lol. yes, I think I can handle it.	cali	May 2015	#58
LOL, thanks. That's hilarious.	R B Garr	May 2015	#66
Everyone who read your OP knows that it was NOT a callout.	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#113
sea, one of your mis-information specialists is at it again.	R B Garr	May 2015	#34
codswallop. and I have no interest in having her posts hidden	cali	May 2015	#39
No, paranoid would be following someone around reading things into	R B Garr	May 2015	#67
yes. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#42
WHAAAAAAAAAAAA????	NoJusticeNoPeace	May 2015	#30
The teaparty wanted to get Republicans to support their ideas.	cyberswede	May 2015	#33
After they were formed by the billionaires, maybe. I was just making sure people understood	NoJusticeNoPeace	May 2015	#43
"Formed by the billionaires"	MaggieD	May 2015	#101
what are you referring to?	cali	May 2015	#4
This is basically an ill-disguised call out/meta thread.	demmiblue	May 2015	#7
sure. her last one got locked.	cali	May 2015	#8
i am asking you all to think. instead you prefer to lock, and change the conversation. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#10
think about what? Can you be specific?	cali	May 2015	#18
i was and have been pretty damn specific in the OP that was locked and examples i have given you...	seabeyond	May 2015	#19
You may think you were being specific in that locked thread but you	cali	May 2015	#23
no. mine was locked cause it was NOT passive aggressive. saying it bluntly. YOURS was not	seabeyond	May 2015	#24
balderdash. I posted a thread to clear up misinformation. that simple	cali	May 2015	#29
here is a definition of passive aggressive. you have accused me of it too often. nothing passive,	seabeyond	May 2015	#26
Yes, it is sleazy and has no basis in fact.	demmiblue	May 2015	#14
are you saying i am sleazy?	seabeyond	May 2015	#17
'It' being the operative word, not 'she'.	demmiblue	May 2015	#32
then you are not listening. which is my point. i am far from the only one discussing this. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#44
People can discuss, but that does not mean it isn't some made up boogieman devised...	demmiblue	May 2015	#48
then you own it is not my own boogie man. so you are calling many.... boogieman. in essence	seabeyond	May 2015	#51
There you go again.	demmiblue	May 2015	#52
or maybe... it is not about me.	seabeyond	May 2015	#54
Oh, yes, it most certainly is.	demmiblue	May 2015	#55
hence, again, the blind of the issue with sander campaign. whatever you do, put it on me and ignore	seabeyond	May 2015	#56
More false accusations and steering. You are a real piece of work. n/t	demmiblue	May 2015	#59
one has to wonder about your posts simply being attacking me and not discussing the bigger issue	seabeyond	May 2015	#60
Lol... truly pathetic.	demmiblue	May 2015	#61
more insults. lol. who is pathetic? oh me.... sure. outta here. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#62
Good, because my initial post stands:	demmiblue	May 2015	#63
ya. cause you kept it there, post after post of insults instead of discussing the POLITICAL issue.	seabeyond	May 2015	#64
Lol.	demmiblue	May 2015	#65
Wow, it must SUCK when people attack you personally instead of addressing political points!	Bonobo	May 2015	#68
found another thread to go after me. your words. smacked a dude. want to smack clinton. right thing	seabeyond	May 2015	#69
I was referring to the election of 1980.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#36
Progressives want to fundamentally change the direction of the nation	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#9
Teaparty label carries a lot of bad baggage, but, in general, it is not a bad model.	seabeyond	May 2015	#12
The Teaparty has elected a controling majority to the House	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#20
yes. and the american public reject. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#22
'Their group'. So you are not a Bernie supporter. Didn't you say you were, or was that someone else?	sabrina 1	May 2015	#49
What's "PU" stand for? Purity Underground?	Cha	May 2015	#70
lol. populist underground. they think they should own this site. as well they lead by example. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#72
Populist:	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#114
Is this the OP you keep posting about?	merrily	May 2015	#102
PS The author of that OP is a member of the Hillary group.	merrily	May 2015	#122
What do you mean by member?	Agschmid	May 2015	#137
I've never seen anyone use "member" as a synonym for "host."	merrily	May 2015	#141
Well it's really hard to be a member of a group since we don't have those.	Agschmid	May 2015	#149
The difference is Ted Kennedy was a mainstream Democrat with huge potential appeal	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#5
In 1980, progressives split the party and could not support Carter	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#13
I don't believe we would have won regardless...	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#16
Perhaps, but party infightin caused damage	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#38
yes it does. hence me saying. lets not have that infightin'. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#46
Did it? Proof? In 2008 we were told how healthy a primary battle that went on well beyond	merrily	May 2015	#106
It is not a false meme. It is history.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#120
No. It's history that primary challenge happened. That it cost the election is a meme and a	merrily	May 2015	#121
You don't have to like the history.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#125
I am able to distinguish between history and someone's interpretation of history that is designed to	merrily	May 2015	#140
Primaries are not eliminated with a sitting President. Most of the time, no one runs against	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#142
Strongly disagree with everything in your post.	merrily	May 2015	#143
There are a number of good hisory books that cover the development of primary	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#144
They cover whether primary challengers for 2016 have been discouraged?	merrily	May 2015	#145
The rules goverment primaries are enshrined in state laws. The are histories that cover their	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#146
Wow. Straw men aplenty. You've gone all over the place, but you still have not	merrily	May 2015	#147
Depends on how you define mainstream. His fellow Senators dubbed him the Liberal Lion.	merrily	May 2015	#123
I campaigned for Ted Kennedy	DemocratSinceBirth	May 2015	#126
I voted in the Iowa caucus for Carter. As I remember it we just saw him as someone who was	jwirr	May 2015	#31
Carter is the best elder dtatesman we have ever had.	Agnosticsherbet	May 2015	#40
Exactly.	jwirr	May 2015	#47
Their message seems simple to me....	MaggieD	May 2015	#45
We Hate DINOs. FTFY.	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#73
When you think everyone to the right of...	MaggieD	May 2015	#77
Yeah	PowerToThePeople	May 2015	#79
well that may be because you're heavily biased.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#76
I am biased toward Democrats	MaggieD	May 2015	#82
Can't tell from all the hate you post against us.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#83
Just tired of you guys bashing Dems	MaggieD	May 2015	#84
And I'm tired of so many Dems doing shit that deserves bashing.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#86
All politics are flawed	MaggieD	May 2015	#87
How much are you willing to sell off to "win" MaggieD?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#92
That's the wrong question	MaggieD	May 2015	#94
No, it's not.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#95
This message was self-deleted by its author	seabeyond	May 2015	#97
I see it differently....	MaggieD	May 2015	#98
You're evading. What ideals and principles must we sacrifice, in specific, to be more "pragmatic"?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#99
I'm not evading anything....	MaggieD	May 2015	#100
Yeah, you are	Scootaloo	May 2015	#104
You don't shed "ideals"	MaggieD	May 2015	#105
To become more pragmatic, one must be willing to sacrifice their ideals.	Scootaloo	May 2015	#107
This is why you guys never win	MaggieD	May 2015	#108
What are you willing to give up to win, MaggieD?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#110
Your repeated question....	MaggieD	May 2015	#115
You've just been trying to change the subject	Scootaloo	May 2015	#132
you know what happened last time we went for the majority and accepted a few Dinos into the party to	seabeyond	May 2015	#96
It's a huge mistake to confuse Bernie or his campaign with the festering antique lingo of a few DU	Bluenorthwest	May 2015	#50
You seem very obsessed with "straight white guys"	DisgustipatedinCA	May 2015	#118
I do not see Sanders and/or the populist movement excluding anyone except, the 1%.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#57
Couldn't tell that from reading DU	MaggieD	May 2015	#71
This message was self-deleted by its author	Hiraeth	May 2015	#74
I can not speak to that. I am not here long enough to really know what goes on around here.	Hiraeth	May 2015	#75
Bullshit. nt	LWolf	May 2015	#124
Of course it's inclusive, seabeyond. You're welcome to join in if you wish	Scootaloo	May 2015	#78
good to hear. i will continue to try to shoulder my way to the front line, to stand beside you all.	seabeyond	May 2015	#80
Come on in, the water's fine	Scootaloo	May 2015	#81
"I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go" here is the problem i see more	seabeyond	May 2015	#85
If it is about the Populist Group on DU as you say, then this is Meta-crap. nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#88
take your best shot, bonobo	seabeyond	May 2015	#89
No shot, seabeyond. It is clear as day.	Bonobo	May 2015	#90
Have you considered that your worry is misplaced, Seabeyond?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#91
" they are hateful, irrational, and idiotic creeps.""scream hate at them"	seabeyond	May 2015	#93
Isn't that the case?	Scootaloo	May 2015	#103
listen to yourself. "That they're willing to "give up the court."	seabeyond	May 2015	#117
over and over again we are being told populist has a huge concern for social issues. listen to	seabeyond	May 2015	#119
The African-American unemployment rate is 11.4%, twice that of whites.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#130
you have your story wrong. i do not dismiss the economics. what i have over you... i do NOT	seabeyond	May 2015	#134
Pony up some links that prove I dismiss the social justice aspect.	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#136
Excellent and outstanding. I mean that sincerely. Enjoy your movie. Nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#138
Thanks. (n/t)	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#139
It is irrational to call yourself a liberal and then act in a way that would elect someone	randys1	May 2015	#128
But that's what we're constantly told to do	Scootaloo	May 2015	#133
IF clinton wins primary and it a 2016 vote. hell ya. i am saying the same. she is not telling	seabeyond	May 2015	#135
wow!	G_j	May 2015	#109
Evidently a "Populist Underground" OP with 14 replies and 7 recs is a "movement."	WorseBeforeBetter	May 2015	#131
+1 nt	Bonobo	May 2015	#148
Hopefully a move to the left...	NaturalHigh	May 2015	#111
I think Sanders wants to change the direction of American politics in a big way	Marrah_G	May 2015	#127
sanders is far closer to my view on issues, also. nt	seabeyond	May 2015	#129

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