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In reply to the discussion: Can we agree that jobs are not the problem with TPP? [View all]okaawhatever
(9,565 posts)67. Yeah, that is part of the problem. There are too many moving pieces for the average journalist
or economist to pinpoint the exact cause of each increase or decline in jobs. That is why they commissioned the CBO to do a
Other economic studies have concluded the trade deal resulted in much smaller job losses or even a small net gain. The Congressional Budget Office surveyed all the major economic studies of NAFTA's effects in 2004 and concluded: "NAFTA had little or no impact on aggregate employment."
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/07/naftas-impact-on-employment/
From Carnegie Endowment for Peace:
NAFTAs net effect on jobs in the United States has been minuscule, given the size of the U.S. economy and the importance of other trading partners. The best models to date suggest that NAFTA has caused either no net change in employment or a very small net gain of jobs.
Link to the Carnegie Report:
http://carnegieendowment.org/files/nafta1.pdf
From FactCheck.Org regarding the CBO report
Also in 2004, the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service evaluated four studies on the subject, including the Carnegie Endowments, and said that "NAFTA had little or no impact on aggregate employment." It also concluded, contrary to Scotts report, that "NAFTA did not cause the widening U.S. trade deficit with Mexico."
NAFTA critics often point to the loss of manufacturing jobs, which have declined by 3.1 million between Jan. 1994, when NAFTA was implemented, and January of this year. But total nonfarm employment, meanwhile, has increased by 25.6 million in the same time period.
NAFTA critics often point to the loss of manufacturing jobs, which have declined by 3.1 million between Jan. 1994, when NAFTA was implemented, and January of this year. But total nonfarm employment, meanwhile, has increased by 25.6 million in the same time period.
Link to the CBO report
http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/34486.pdf
From NPR:
NAFTA has more than tripled trade among the three countries, sending the total value above the $1 trillion threshold by 2011. Canada is the leading market for U.S. exports, while Mexico ranks No. 2. Together, the two countries account for about a third of all U.S. exports.
North America has become one integrated market for the production of advanced goods, such as cars, planes and electronics. So when you are buying a vehicle assembled in Canada, it contains lots of made-in-America parts.
The real advantage for the United States has been in services. American exports of services to Canada and Mexico tripled from $27 billion in 1993 to $82 billion in 2011, resulting in a trade surplus of roughly $30 billion.
North America has become one integrated market for the production of advanced goods, such as cars, planes and electronics. So when you are buying a vehicle assembled in Canada, it contains lots of made-in-America parts.
The real advantage for the United States has been in services. American exports of services to Canada and Mexico tripled from $27 billion in 1993 to $82 billion in 2011, resulting in a trade surplus of roughly $30 billion.
http://www.npr.org/2013/12/08/249079453/economists-toast-20-years-of-nafta-critics-sit-out-the-party
BTW the non-profit who did the highly questionable report was EPI, Economic Policy Institute. Just a heads up in case you see them quoted somewhere. The right wing Pete Peterson Economic Institute did a biased report also. That one just had a right wing slant.
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Senator Warren Has Pointed Out The Truth - No Trade Protection Follow Through By The US
cantbeserious
May 2015
#6
If those charts are correct, we're doing just fine without the TPP, and will continue to do so.
arcane1
May 2015
#126
Yes, that's the idea of the thread, to identify how TPP is addressing these two issues.
ucrdem
May 2015
#7
Well I Guess Delusional Thinking Is Rampant And The Government Insists We Believe It
cantbeserious
May 2015
#17
Yeah Right - Drafts Of The Document Do Exist - Even So, Why Can't We Read The Final For Review
cantbeserious
May 2015
#25
Yeah Right - How Much More Rigged Could The Process Be With The 1% Represented But Not The 99%
cantbeserious
May 2015
#32
Agreed, and remember the Congressional Budget Office found that NAFTA didn't cause job
okaawhatever
May 2015
#40
Because the Congressional Budget Office's data is highly respected. They are non-partisan &
okaawhatever
May 2015
#45
In The Modern Error - All Government Data Is Politicized - Why Else Have Secret Trade Deals
cantbeserious
May 2015
#49
It isn't a secret trade deal. It's a secret trade negotiation. Once the deal is finalized there will
okaawhatever
May 2015
#71
Yeah, that is part of the problem. There are too many moving pieces for the average journalist
okaawhatever
May 2015
#67
Before or after edits, your reply is not comprehensible to me, but, again, no worries.
merrily
May 2015
#46
So the charts in the OP are made-up hype and bullshit which should not be believed.
bananas
May 2015
#51
Forgot to Rec. This is a bad time to get rated for more input. Almost 1 AM Pacific. Gotta go!
freshwest
May 2015
#14
No, they aren't accurate enough for me. I don't want propaganda, I want information. nt
okaawhatever
May 2015
#147
They are more accurate about TPP than anything the corporate whores have put out n/t
eridani
May 2015
#148
as GWBush called it, catapulting the propaganda. sure are pretty pictures n graphics tho nt
msongs
May 2015
#31
You, like Senator Warren, don't do any research on the junk you post. For example,
Hoyt
May 2015
#116
Actually, you should read about drug costs in poor countries. Brand name drugs are
Hoyt
May 2015
#149
Well there goes more of our sovereignty but not the global corporations sovereignty.
L0oniX
May 2015
#172
I can think of at least 5 production facilities in my congressional district
Art_from_Ark
May 2015
#70
"the WH is doing a poor job " < Don't be hard on them. It's not easy selling dog shit once the
jtuck004
May 2015
#84
Researchers now say that eating a single serving of processed meat every day could increase your
jtuck004
May 2015
#92
NO anything that gives multinational corporations more power is not going to give us more GOOD
jwirr
May 2015
#91
What pretty pictures. Well they have to wrap up a shit sandwich in nice packaging somehow.
Katashi_itto
May 2015
#95
Oh, that is not what I said, and you know it. And enough eeeevuhl (cute marginalizing trick, BTW)
djean111
May 2015
#102
You are serious when you do not think Obama and the GOP are NOT working together on Fast Track?
djean111
May 2015
#158
Well the tricky parts are still being negotiated, like Japanese agricultural tariffs
ucrdem
May 2015
#109
It is not only voting for the TPP but whatever sewage comes down the pipe on trade for six years
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#143
So when members of Congress go into that room where they can read the TPP, but not take notes or
djean111
May 2015
#106
Kind of bullshit, saying we cannot read the TPP because the "agreement" does not yet exist.
djean111
May 2015
#108
Good work, ucr. Obama and/or TPP haters won't read it, anymore than they'd read the final
Hoyt
May 2015
#117
I won't mention the poster's name, but we had one who went from saying it's a "secret agreement"
Hoyt
May 2015
#120
Corporate mission statements and ambiguous negotiating positions are not the deal
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#144
Even a great press would put little stock in corporate mission statements being conflated with
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#159
29 volumes of legislation negotiated between 12 nations and probably thousands of orgs
ucrdem
May 2015
#168