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karynnj

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84. that is the concern of Schumer and others, but

Sun May 24, 2015, 03:08 PM

May 2015

Adding just that will not move people who are against it for other reasons.

I say this as someone who thinks it could be possible to write a trade agreement that is better than not having one at all. If a trade agreement could improve labor conditions everywhere and environmental concerns, it could be a positive.

Remember that there already is trade and it is legal. That will continue with or without a treaty. Look at the labels of clothes you buy. Almost everything is made overseas and that has been the case for decades.

What concerns me about the treaty is that people from Paul Krug man to Elizabeth Warren have problems with some of the provisions they have seen. However the treaty is not yet finalized. What is being asked is that it be voted on without amendments. This is a process that has been used for decades. When negotiating with 12 countries, having amendments may make it impossible to get any deal.

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HRC restates her opinion on TPP [View all] MaggieD May 2015 OP

"restates her opinion:" eloydude May 2015 #1

I dont see any triangulation here MaggieD May 2015 #2

...expectations....don't have details....have concerns.... Motown_Johnny May 2015 #34

Yes because triangulation would require having an actual position. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #116

No, no, not triangulation Scootaloo May 2015 #43

Most democrats would be in favor of the TPP if.... MaggieD May 2015 #66

Really? Seeing as the overwhelming majority of hte party is in heels-in opposition to the TPP... Scootaloo May 2015 #69

It's a big thing MaggieD May 2015 #72

Yes, it's a big thing. One of no doubt many big things Scootaloo May 2015 #75

that is the concern of Schumer and others, but karynnj May 2015 #84

Good post MaggieD May 2015 #85

not one thing treestar May 2015 #90

No, a majority of Democrats favor the TPP, and a majority of Republicans oppose it Recursion May 2015 #182

The average person doesn't give a crap about currency manipulation Art_from_Ark May 2015 #158

The agreement isn't out yet treestar May 2015 #88

And I appreciate that about her MaggieD May 2015 #95

In otherwords GummyBearz May 2015 #3

No this is exactly what.... MaggieD May 2015 #4

Thats when she called the TPP "the gold standard in trade agreements" GummyBearz May 2015 #7

She said it could be MaggieD May 2015 #16

I read the part that concerns this discussion GummyBearz May 2015 #20

That's an edited version MaggieD May 2015 #24

Is NPR part of the right wing troll terrorist army out to sink her too now? GummyBearz May 2015 #27

Buy it MaggieD May 2015 #64

I'll take that to mean you can't pull a single quote from it... GummyBearz May 2015 #71

Will I pull down the book off my bookshelf and type it here for you? MaggieD May 2015 #73

I'm all ears. If you don't want to make a case for your candidate, that is your choice GummyBearz May 2015 #91

LOL! No you're not MaggieD May 2015 #93

Do you work for her publisher or something? GummyBearz May 2015 #94

I'm just trying to be nice MaggieD May 2015 #96

I'd rather give you the chance to put as much spin on any quote in that book you possibly can GummyBearz May 2015 #97

It doesn't bother me... MaggieD May 2015 #98

Its hard to agree or disagree with non-existance of quotes GummyBearz May 2015 #99

It exists MaggieD May 2015 #102

No quote, no credit GummyBearz May 2015 #103

I too, assiduously avoid primary sources to better validate my biases. LanternWaste May 2015 #173

I own it, I've read it and that is not much of an edited version. It's a VERY ACCURATE Exilednight May 2015 #104

Re read pages 76-80 MaggieD May 2015 #159

And where does she say she is concerned enough to take a wait and see the final draft? Exilednight May 2015 #160

On pages 76-80 MaggieD May 2015 #161

That's not what it says, unless you can provide me with a quote so I may Exilednight May 2015 #162

Here MaggieD May 2015 #163

Where did you go? MaggieD May 2015 #165

Work, but I'll be back. Exilednight May 2015 #168

Nah - you were posting in other threads MaggieD May 2015 #170

I posted in one other thread, and it has the exact same time stamp as the one above. Nice try, but I Exilednight May 2015 #175

So far you have proved nothing.... MaggieD May 2015 #176

The fact that you stalked me is kind of creepy. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #181

Strange. That's just what it says in my copy. Is someone changing Hillary's book? Autumn May 2015 #126

+1 BeanMusical May 2015 #131

LOL@ Autumn davidpdx May 2015 #134

Here MaggieD May 2015 #164

Disinformation? yallerdawg May 2015 #37

So is she for it or against it? madville May 2015 #5

Sounds like she will be against it... MaggieD May 2015 #9

Did you hear what you just wrote. Rilgin May 2015 #101

Depends: which way is the wind blowing today? n/t arcane1 May 2015 #79

Yes. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #130

A Non Answer Since She Cannot See The TPP Until It Becomes Law cantbeserious May 2015 #6

Actually not true MaggieD May 2015 #10

Prove Your Claims cantbeserious May 2015 #15

Easy peasy MaggieD May 2015 #25

Has This Been Signed Into Law - Are Only Proposed By The Senate cantbeserious May 2015 #30

The fact that... sendero May 2015 #8

Bernie too? MaggieD May 2015 #11

Bernie too... sendero May 2015 #13

LOL! Ok. MaggieD May 2015 #26

I support HRC and I agree with you 100%/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #17

Thank you for posting. hrmjustin May 2015 #12

A very clear responsible rational answer. yallerdawg May 2015 #14

When Will A Former Senator Be Able To See The TPP - Not Until It Becomes Law cantbeserious May 2015 #18

Nope - you're wrong MaggieD May 2015 #22

Has This Been Signed Into Law - Are Only Proposed By The Senate cantbeserious May 2015 #28

You're still wrong MaggieD May 2015 #45

Is The TPA Now Law - Has The Bill Been Signed Into Law cantbeserious May 2015 #47

no it hasn't. The bill that passed the Senate is for karynnj May 2015 #92

Wrong! yallerdawg May 2015 #23

Has This Been Signed Into Law - Are Only Proposed By The Senate cantbeserious May 2015 #29

Nothing is law. yallerdawg May 2015 #38

So There Is Nothing To See Until A Law Is Passed - Thank You For Confirming That cantbeserious May 2015 #40

The TPA includes that requirement. MaggieD May 2015 #42

Is The TPA Now Law cantbeserious May 2015 #44

Can't pass the TPP without it MaggieD May 2015 #46

Is The TPA Now Law - Has The Bill Been Signed Into Law cantbeserious May 2015 #48

If it isn't you won't have to worry about the TPP MaggieD May 2015 #53

Has This Been Signed Into Law - Yes Or No cantbeserious May 2015 #54

It appears it's about to be.... MaggieD May 2015 #59

Thank You For Confirming That The TPA Is Not Yet Law cantbeserious May 2015 #60

Do you now concede the TPP will have a public comment period? MaggieD May 2015 #62

You won't get them. Agschmid May 2015 #68

Yep - I think you're right MaggieD May 2015 #70

Who gives a flying fuck? After the kabuki periods the TeaPubliKlans will decide if it protects TheKentuckian May 2015 #153

The poster I was responding to.... MaggieD May 2015 #154

Are you serious? yallerdawg May 2015 #49

Ridicule Is The First Signature Of Debaters With No Defense cantbeserious May 2015 #52

Well I'm responding to you seriously MaggieD May 2015 #55

One Has Still Not Confirmed Or Denied If The TPA Is Now Law cantbeserious May 2015 #57

Okay, let's try it this way... MaggieD May 2015 #61

And if there are things "still being negotiated" that she doesn't like, then would she support TPA? cascadiance May 2015 #107

That's quite a load of... yallerdawg May 2015 #111

Then simply by her standards, we shouldn't pass TPA now should we? cascadiance May 2015 #112

Do you have any idea what is in TPA? yallerdawg May 2015 #114

You are confusing TPA with TPP. TPA is the code word for Fast Track... cascadiance May 2015 #118

I have no confusion. yallerdawg May 2015 #119

If you are for TPA then you are for the TPP and whatever the next rounds of garbage are no matter TheKentuckian May 2015 #129

You ask the same question over and over. yallerdawg May 2015 #56

The TPA Had To Be Approved As Law - Is It Now Law cantbeserious May 2015 #58

I don't think the poor dear.... MaggieD May 2015 #63

"TP whatever bad!" yallerdawg May 2015 #67

Yep. Mojorabbit May 2015 #83

Stretch themselves into pretzels? yallerdawg May 2015 #113

the law under consideration is fast track. karynnj May 2015 #87

As SoS she helped negotiate it. On page 69 she goes into detail about negotiating Exilednight May 2015 #128

Excellent point davidpdx May 2015 #136

That's what I think too MaggieD May 2015 #19

And this is all President Obama has asked for! yallerdawg May 2015 #21

I'm sure she will sit down and read the entire thing with a team of experts at her elbow Scootaloo May 2015 #50

As I've said all along... MannyGoldstein May 2015 #31

That's not what she said MaggieD May 2015 #33

Not *yet* MannyGoldstein May 2015 #39

It's the only major trade pact MaggieD May 2015 #41

How did we know there would be some of the remarks? For some it does not matter what she says Thinkingabout May 2015 #32

Facts don't matter to these folks MaggieD May 2015 #35

By the end of the week they will be re-enforced with a whole list of new talking points. Thinkingabout May 2015 #36

unrec L0oniX May 2015 #51

+1 AtomicKitten May 2015 #100

Question: "Where are you on the trade agreement?" yallerdawg May 2015 #105

She answered the question in her book. She admitted to helping craft it. On page Exilednight May 2015 #143

There are 12 countries in the TPP negotiations. yallerdawg May 2015 #144

I was only citing one reference in her book. There are over a dozen, but you would Exilednight May 2015 #145

You are missing my point. yallerdawg May 2015 #146

She didn't withold judgement in her book. I find it disheartening now that she is being Exilednight May 2015 #147

In the book, she is supporting the goals of the negotiating. yallerdawg May 2015 #150

That's not what she said in the book. She called it the "gold standard". I've actually read her book Exilednight May 2015 #151

+1 840high May 2015 #127

The TPP is rolling down the fast tracks JEB May 2015 #65

Trade Advisory Committees yallerdawg May 2015 #76

I do not trust or like the all or nothing JEB May 2015 #78

I have a simple rule: If the corporations are for it, the people are going to get screwed. hobbit709 May 2015 #74

Well it's not that simple MaggieD May 2015 #77

99% true. JEB May 2015 #80

And let's not forget. If the republicans are for it, people are going to get screwed Doctor_J May 2015 #81

Exactly. treestar May 2015 #86

Thanks. I enjoy hearing the candidates themselves lovemydog May 2015 #89

Bernie doesn't " restate " he States without ingratiating himself . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #106

Only on the issues he chooses. Thinkingabout May 2015 #109

So her Answer is a Firm, Resounding...Maybe I could Be against it. Or Not. Katashi_itto May 2015 #108

Or she can blame the intelligence Ichingcarpenter May 2015 #110

Maybe she isn't like the rest of us... yallerdawg May 2015 #117

Why do you suppose Congressional leaders have been told they are sworn to secrecy TBF May 2015 #139

Yes, last time she was asked she said that if the TPP wasn't good we should "be prepared to consider Warren DeMontague May 2015 #115

This is caled 'parsing.' yallerdawg May 2015 #120

Yeah, I know what it's called. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #121

By every measure... yallerdawg May 2015 #122

And Surely twice as inevitable as last time, even! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #123

I'm not wooing your vote. yallerdawg May 2015 #124

Clearly. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #125

So you fault her for NOT having.... MaggieD May 2015 #141

No, we are faulting her for not supporting US labor. TBF May 2015 #149

She has always supported labor.... MaggieD May 2015 #157

"Collective bargaining rights for workers in the countries included in the trade pact" TBF May 2015 #167

So it's better if workers can't organize? MaggieD May 2015 #169

lol - no it's better to vote for Bernie TBF May 2015 #171

What's his plan to combat the effects.... MaggieD May 2015 #172

My plan is to continue to organize TBF May 2015 #174

Again - what is Bernie's plan? MaggieD May 2015 #177

https://berniesanders.com/ TBF May 2015 #178

There is nothing there... MaggieD May 2015 #179

Having a defined position is not a "knee jerk response" Warren DeMontague May 2015 #155

I like her detailed answers.... MaggieD May 2015 #156

"Creating a level playing field" - TBF May 2015 #132

I also noticed that and took it the same way you did. CharlotteVale May 2015 #137

That's exactly what it means. Neoliberals are amazingly concerned with Marr May 2015 #140

Well one thing the U.S. is trying to do.... MaggieD May 2015 #142

Again no one is defining what "leveling the playing field" means - TBF May 2015 #148

Baloney. She's dodging comment on the real TPP (and being silent on the TPA). Jim Lane May 2015 #133

Hillary's "opinion" reminds me of a line from a song. CharlotteVale May 2015 #135

Nob being adamantly against this pile of dog shit should be a DQ for any Democratic candidate. Scuba May 2015 #138

I can appreciate thoughtful, BUT DonCoquixote May 2015 #152

............... marmar May 2015 #166

Harry Reid calling the TPP "Insanity" CentralMass May 2015 #180