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DemocratSinceBirth

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36. It took us a long time to perfect our democracy...

Sun May 24, 2015, 07:18 PM

May 2015

It took us a long time to perfect our democracy and we didn't have to deal with a sectarian war and fighters coming in one side or the other from all over the globe.

"The invasion of Iraq was the biggest strategic blunder in the history of the republic." We had Saddam in a box with the "no fly zones" and he was a bulwark against Iran. Now Iran is vying to be the regional hegemon and has the Sunni Arab states in a tizzy.

What a mess... Saddam was the finger in the dike...When we removed Saddam we removed the finger.

No sentient person can say the Middle East is in better shape than it was on March 19, 2003.

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What's our moral responsibility to Iraqis? [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

We definitely owe them. Not sure about troops on the ground, but walking off is just wrong. Hoyt May 2015 #1

The Powell doctrine. He warned the country. onecaliberal May 2015 #2

Apparently to kill more of them to atone Warren Stupidity May 2015 #3

We could at least bring the aggressors to trial. Gregorian May 2015 #4

Our moral obligation is to restore Iraq to the state it was on 3/19/2003. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #5

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Saddam was a brutal dictator but we had him in a box with the no fly zones. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #38

America's killed a million Iraqi kids over the last 24 years. Octafish May 2015 #39

Albright truly embraced evil in being willing to accept that price. Vattel May 2015 #63

Iraq? It is rapidly looking like the whole ME. jwirr May 2015 #6

Everything the US does in the Middle East turns to crap. MineralMan May 2015 #7

I second that MineralMan. Like Mr. Shraby always said about that shraby May 2015 #9

Seeing as how, as you say, when the US left "things reverted" to the old status quo, delrem May 2015 #11

You're reading that into my post. MineralMan May 2015 #13

I apologize. delrem May 2015 #58

It's not that we "don't understand." It's that we don't CARE Scootaloo May 2015 #30

Right on target Scootaloo!! guillaumeb May 2015 #47

That about sums it up MannyGoldstein May 2015 #53

no, way too simplistic Vattel May 2015 #64

A modern Marshall Plan? procon May 2015 #8

Sadly, there are things that were done that we Exilednight May 2015 #44

Our moral responsibility is to do nothing Nevernose May 2015 #10

I agree. bravenak May 2015 #34

First rule of holes: stop digging. pscot May 2015 #54

Shutting down the Embassy would be hard on would be immigrants from there treestar May 2015 #55

reparations well beyond our GNP reddread May 2015 #12

We already fixed their country and gave them a great starter democracy... ileus May 2015 #14

With a constitutional right to health care hootinholler May 2015 #19

I think it would make them happy sorefeet May 2015 #15

Prosecute our War Criminals PufPuf23 May 2015 #16

I share that dream also, PufPuf. nt Mnemosyne May 2015 #17

There are so many nations that same question applies to hootinholler May 2015 #18

Iran is also a good example and closer in proximity. salib May 2015 #33

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How?/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #21

we fixed what? trumad May 2015 #22

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Did they ask us to do any of these things?/NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #24

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The Iraqis asked us to invade their nation ? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #29

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Are you really that ignorant of the Middle East? trumad May 2015 #27

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No they were quite fine before we invaded their country. trumad May 2015 #35

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It took us a long time to perfect our democracy... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #36

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The status quo is better than what we have now... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

Bush fixed Iraq.... Cali_Democrat May 2015 #48

It's our moral responsibility to prosecute Bush and his gang of liars for war crimes. L0oniX May 2015 #25

doesn't help the Iraqis treestar May 2015 #56

At least they would know that we tried to punish those that started the war over lies. L0oniX May 2015 #57

We can start by giving back everything we privatized and sold off to foreign investors n/t arcane1 May 2015 #28

First and foremost ... GeorgeGist May 2015 #40

At a bare minimum, war crimes trials for Bush, Cheney and other highly-placed KingCharlemagne May 2015 #41

''We'' as in BFEE Octafish May 2015 #43

You break it, you bomb it again. N/T Chathamization May 2015 #46

Reparations and voluntary repatriation. How about Texas? Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #50

We f'ked it up.. we can't just walk away. DCBob May 2015 #51

We don't bear full responsibility for breaking it Warpy May 2015 #52

I disagree gratuitous May 2015 #59

I sincerely doubt Saddam's iron fisted rule would have lasted longer than he did Warpy May 2015 #60

the point is... ausboy May 2015 #62

That's the point I was trying to make gratuitous May 2015 #67

Our moral responsibility? Prosecuting the war criminals who lied us into Iraq. Scuba May 2015 #61

It seems that our repsonse is based on two premsies: Vattel May 2015 #65

We owe Iraq big time, especially the Kurds. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #66

Particularly since the Kurds seem to be the only local military MannyGoldstein May 2015 #69

Our moral responsibility is to let them handle their own stuff. 99Forever May 2015 #68

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What is our moral responsiblitiy to the shareholders Manny? Rex May 2015 #71

We don't owe them shit at this point. Fuck them. beaglelover May 2015 #72

Did they let you down? nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #73

Short of troops on the ground... kentuck May 2015 #74