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kysrsoze

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127. The fact that we're even negotiating with a society like this sickens me.

Mon May 25, 2015, 02:07 AM

May 2015

As the United F***ing States of Merica, we should be ostracizing countries
like Malaysia, not negotiating free trade agreements with them and ceding our rights to their business "leaders." We no longer hold the moral high ground against ANY country.

And as much as I respected Obama at one time and counted on him to "do the right thing" as President, I can now almost expect him to do the exact opposite, from a business perspective. My left-leaning dad thought a long time ago (and rightly so), that Obama had been compromised. I don't know how much is his acquiescence vs. how much much he (undeservedly so) respected Reagan.

Between all this and such a lack of regard for his constituents' privacy rights, his wholehearted support for droning other countries, etc., he will for my foreseeable future be considered a complete waste of potential and a turncoat against human rights and economic equality. I am continuously disappointed by the pro-business portion of Obama's psyche, and I don't know why he doesn't recognize what his presidency has come to represent.

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Obama Takes Unexpected Setback On Trade Agenda As Fast Track Passes Senate [View all] Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 OP

But it's more important that the rich become richer..... daleanime May 2015 #1

Don't worry. bvar22 May 2015 #91

Amen..... daleanime May 2015 #102

This is why US trade representatives don't think murdering labor advocates is a problem. Scuba May 2015 #128

The moral sewer of corporate rule. nt woo me with science May 2015 #2

+1 an entire shit load. Enthusiast May 2015 #40

Child labor laws and the minimum wage in the U.S. are costing U.S. companies a shitload of profits GoneFishin May 2015 #59

Ouch grasswire May 2015 #83

That's not how it works and you should know that by now. randome May 2015 #85

Really? So as long as all meat from all countries is labeled with a country of origin then Canada GoneFishin May 2015 #93

The only purpose of labeling a country of origin is to discourage its purchase. randome May 2015 #94

90 days is nothing. They have had 10 years to plant land mines throughout the document. Even the GoneFishin May 2015 #96

Yes That Is The Purpose of a Label Rilgin May 2015 #98

The wine and cheese analogies (and the others) are good ones. randome May 2015 #101

No real knowledge but you must be partially right Rilgin May 2015 #124

Your wine analogy is powerfully relevant and humorous. I imagined blank white bottle labels GoneFishin May 2015 #130

So what? If I want to support my local economy by buying as close to home as possible-- eridani May 2015 #109

The labeling example unequivocally falsifies your argument. cheapdate May 2015 #116

What a load of bs. You think labeling is to discourage buying from certain sources? cui bono May 2015 #122

The fact that we're even negotiating with a society like this sickens me. kysrsoze May 2015 #127

This is just ridculas Robbins May 2015 #3

A New Democrat President, which is different from a Democratic President. merrily May 2015 #5

This is why Robbins May 2015 #13

Go Bernie. 840high May 2015 #112

Oh come on now ...we've been told many times that Obama can do no wrong. L0oniX May 2015 #11

You just don't understand Mr Obama's multi-level chess. malthaussen May 2015 #4

Then there's Brunei: Bluenorthwest May 2015 #6

Trafficking in Persons is OK with a Democratic President? Agony May 2015 #7

Wow. What incredible one-dimensional thinking. randome May 2015 #12

You have your priorities and I have mine� I am happy with my priorities. Agony May 2015 #15

You still don't understand. randome May 2015 #20

Rainbows and unicorns lark May 2015 #32

Why would murder 'violations' be part of a trade bill? randome May 2015 #36

You missed the point lark May 2015 #41

I, personally, would have no problem using TPP... randome May 2015 #58

The only lazy thinking here sulphurdunn May 2015 #63

It's my theory, nothing more. randome May 2015 #65

That is not the only alternative, sulphurdunn May 2015 #119

it's just like how mandatory for profit health insurance will lead to no for profit health insurance Doctor_J May 2015 #100

Well, if you walk far enough north sulphurdunn May 2015 #120

You just don't undertand how fucking wonderful this TPP is going to be. Enthusiast May 2015 #56

Like Krugman, I don't think it's all that much to get bothered about. randome May 2015 #70

You go on believing that one. WinkyDink May 2015 #27

I'm not believing in anything, it's just my alternative explanation. randome May 2015 #74

If only we had done more business with South Africa we could have ended Apartheid sooner. Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #90

Different countries, different circumstances? I don't know. randome May 2015 #132

How exactly is it obvious sulphurdunn May 2015 #35

I didn't say it was obvious. I said it was the most obvious reason to propose. randome May 2015 #64

Who said Obama likes slavery? sulphurdunn May 2015 #117

He's 'okay' with slavery elsewhere in this thread. randome May 2015 #131

I think the implication was that sulphurdunn May 2015 #138

But Saudi and Kuwait harems are ok cause we get our oil from them. L0oniX May 2015 #66

Apparently. randome May 2015 #68

I guess we should have been against the sanctions applied on South Africa. former9thward May 2015 #104

Fair point but I'm willing to bet there is a larger picture here. randome May 2015 #107

Well I agree that is a snarky smear on Obama. former9thward May 2015 #108

As far as the difference between Malaysia and South Africa... randome May 2015 #135

Obama has never claimed to be a progressive,,,,,geeez! Cryptoad May 2015 #8

Another pant load from Comcast/AOL Huffpost..this thread is filling up both legs. Fred Sanders May 2015 #47

Does this mean that our sex workers paychecks will have to compete globally? L0oniX May 2015 #9

I get your sarcasm; nonetheless, sex slaves and trafficked humans aren't "sex workers." WinkyDink May 2015 #28

Forget it Jake, it's HuffPo. nt ucrdem May 2015 #10

oh and Senators so and so... Agony May 2015 #17

Interesting. Where's Bernie? ucrdem May 2015 #19

he doesn't have to sign it Robbins May 2015 #26

He doesn't get the points if he's absent. ucrdem May 2015 #52

Pining for publicity and that all important name recognition is not just confined to Republicans. Fred Sanders May 2015 #53

And as usual, my two "Democratic" senators (Kaine and Warner) aren't on the list. Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #67

Would this do? eloydude May 2015 #73

No he did not lose his soul, he sold it. zeemike May 2015 #14

One can tell by what has been off and on "the table." WinkyDink May 2015 #30

Think in our so skewed system, lark May 2015 #33

I think you are right. zeemike May 2015 #89

It fetched him an easy and prosperous future. 840high May 2015 #113

When Penny Pritzker and her ilk chose him Thespian2 May 2015 #16

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #60

+2 CharlotteVale May 2015 #78

1% are his best friends. 840high May 2015 #114

And the hysteria goes on unabated. Buzz Clik May 2015 #18

It's lazy thinking. randome May 2015 #23

It's lazy thinking. Enthusiast May 2015 #62

Incredible, isn't it? Some folks see all the Recs. for anti-Obama screeds and just can not help themselves. Fred Sanders May 2015 #42

Of course not. sulphurdunn May 2015 #49

Yes sir! You have nailed it! Buzz Clik May 2015 #71

Thankyou, sulphurdunn May 2015 #118

Good. I hope opponents of TPP continue to put pressure bigwillq May 2015 #21

What nonsense. No one, even most Republicans, would put corporate profits over human trafficking. DCBob May 2015 #22

I'm shocked to find politics going in Washington. nt ucrdem May 2015 #24

lol-- OK, Mr. Smith. Marr May 2015 #29

You forgot to add the *bitter sarcasm* tag to your post. Or else *maximum naivete*. WinkyDink May 2015 #31

Are you kidding me? lark May 2015 #34

If wanna be really outraged read up on the conditions on Saipan rpannier May 2015 #48

Really? Sarcasm right? You can't honestly believe that rpannier May 2015 #39

Of course they wouldn't. sulphurdunn May 2015 #54

Kind of like linking "state terrorism" accusations to an international nuclear deal, the intent is to confuse. Fred Sanders May 2015 #57

The lack of logical thinking of some on this board amazes me. DCBob May 2015 #88

Smart people PowerToThePeople May 2015 #25

Wait wait wait....Malaysia? abelenkpe May 2015 #37

In Malaysia they are worried about trading with a country with an insane Congress and gang shootouts.......try again. Fred Sanders May 2015 #44

Malaysia has been ratede a tier 3 country by the US Government rpannier May 2015 #50

America has a few flaws in it's human rights record.....does it not? And refused to pass a human Fred Sanders May 2015 #51

Most assuradly. Feel free to read my above post titled 'Really? Sarcasm Right... rpannier May 2015 #55

The difference isn't "migrants" or immigration Nevernose May 2015 #75

Obama did not personally negotiate TPP. He has "not lost his soul", but you got some Recs! Fred Sanders May 2015 #38

Obama has shown himself to be a Corporate Democrat. jalan48 May 2015 #43

Obama bashing threads are great! Easy Recs! And Obama is a slave lover, according to some..who knew?! Fred Sanders May 2015 #45

I think this site is called Democratic Underground. jalan48 May 2015 #61

This is Democratic Underground. Not Obama Underground. 840high May 2015 #115

Let's hope that Obama is forced to veto the TPA bill because of that provision eloydude May 2015 #46

Grumble ...mumble ...something about the FBI and hookers. L0oniX May 2015 #69

Clearly Obama likes hookers as well as slavery. randome May 2015 #72

Simple solution aspirant May 2015 #76

Maybe it's NOT that simple. randome May 2015 #77

So why are all the poor African countries excluded, aspirant May 2015 #79

Maybe because they didn't want to be included? randome May 2015 #80

It's time aspirant May 2015 #82

I'm curious to know if my theorizing is correct or even close. randome May 2015 #84

Obama is the one to sign it into law. aspirant May 2015 #86

Stop with the excuses. It IS what it is. They were going to be a part of it, and SHOULDN'T ! TheNutcracker May 2015 #81

Because we won't be treated like slaves in this nation, corporations want access to slaves in whereisjustice May 2015 #87

but I thought we were just supposed to trust that a Democratic President would make sure liberal_at_heart May 2015 #92

Should we also insist on provisions on drug trafficking, freedom of choice, gender equality, pampango May 2015 #95

by all means let's just wag our finger at them and tell them not to commit human liberal_at_heart May 2015 #97

What a *shock* to find you here! Romulox May 2015 #111

When the American people know the truth, they almost always PatrickforO May 2015 #99

Kick for the depravity of corporate government. woo me with science May 2015 #103

Kick. This is important. woo me with science May 2015 #105

No matter what awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #106

You are correct. The House need to kill the bill. Faryn Balyncd May 2015 #110

K&R. JDPriestly May 2015 #121

I just don't understand people Unknown Beatle May 2015 #123

Would you expect any less from Hillary? Fearless May 2015 #125

The hope is the trade agreement will spur Malaysia to change. If they won't agree, write them off Hoyt May 2015 #126

I'm not accusing Obama of supporting slavery and sex trafficking, I'm accusing him of Nuclear Unicorn May 2015 #136

See my post #134 below. Malaysia is actively working to stop human trafficking. randome May 2015 #137

Obama is a complete disaster. Let's not make this kind of mistake again. bowens43 May 2015 #129

I wouldn't allow bank robbers to write laws governing bank robbery, GoneFishin May 2015 #133

Malaysia has already taken significant steps. Why 'poison the well' now? randome May 2015 #134