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cui bono

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198. Yes, a discussion board. Yet you started it off with the "whining" and 'WAAA WAAA"

Mon May 25, 2015, 05:10 PM

May 2015

which I wasn't doing.

So my question stands... why did you decide to start this whole exchange with me using that?

And no, 'apologist' simply isn't the same thing as 'hater', you repeating that it is doesn't make it so. Apologist stands for something in the political world and is backed up on DU by a discussion of policy. 'Hater' is internet slang used to dismiss any and all criticism and is pretty much never accompanied by any discussion of policy. There's no rebuttal, just 'hater', as if that means the critical post means nothing. However, the critical posts on here are mostly substantiated with many facts and references. The apologists generally don't offer any of that up, though there are some that do, but they are still defending policies that were indefensible on DU when BushCo did them.

And that is the crux of it, apologists defend things Obama does just because he is Obama, even though they hated that sort of thing when BushCo did it. Critics of Obama criticized the same policy under BushCo. They are talking about policy, apologists are talking about a man.

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I'm going to hurl a few three letter "words" at President Obama's legacy [View all] whereisjustice May 2015 OP

K & R AzDar May 2015 #1

KIA & WIA PowerToThePeople May 2015 #2

Well said. Thanks for posting. BlueJazz May 2015 #3

Best Op-Ed In A While billhicks76 May 2015 #134

K&R CharlotteVale May 2015 #4

Thank you for posting. Those that support the status quo have no empathy for those among rhett o rick May 2015 #5

That's like sighing bernie's death warrant! juajen May 2015 #48

He has already expressed his fears for himself and family. He knows the risks he is taking. rhett o rick May 2015 #76

Can you give me a link to the Princeton study you mentioned? cui bono May 2015 #93

Sure. rhett o rick May 2015 #123

Thank you so much! cui bono May 2015 #172

We suck. Thanks for the help. nt babylonsister May 2015 #6

We don't suck? Enthusiast May 2015 #14

You can pick and choose. Enjoy! But there are babylonsister May 2015 #26

I hope babylonsister just left off a smilie or <sarcasm> tag. We have tarnished erronis May 2015 #82

Citizens are completely transparent while the government is shrouded in secrecy. Enthusiast May 2015 #83

Agreed. Cherry-picking and exaggerating to try to make not just the country stevenleser May 2015 #182

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious May 2015 #7

Word Populist_Prole May 2015 #9

Oh yes!!!! 840high May 2015 #13

+1 AngryOldDem May 2015 #122

Is President Obama evil? tabasco May 2015 #147

You won't get an answer, ever. Agschmid May 2015 #161

+1 tjl148 May 2015 #153

If the election were between Obama and Sanders right now, Obama in a landslide. Hoyt May 2015 #8

Nice diversion Fuddnik May 2015 #11

+1 Enthusiast May 2015 #15

+2 BeanMusical May 2015 #99

+1000 nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #115

Yes. He's been a great President, regardless of the naysayers. nt babylonsister May 2015 #28

Meh. He's actually been a poor president, if you are measuring him as a Democrat, cui bono May 2015 #101

I see an awful lot of complaining.. one_voice May 2015 #162

'Apologist' and 'hater' are not on the same level. 'Apologist' is a common term used in politics. cui bono May 2015 #169

This message was self-deleted by its author one_voice May 2015 #178

Well Obamabot one_voice May 2015 #179

That's just not true. cui bono May 2015 #195

I guess we're going to have to disagree.. one_voice May 2015 #197

Yes, a discussion board. Yet you started it off with the "whining" and 'WAAA WAAA" cui bono May 2015 #198

Apologist is equal to hater when it's one_voice May 2015 #199

Authoritarian is used when people defend the NSA spying. That is an apt term for that. cui bono May 2015 #201

Yep. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #183

Truth! sheshe2 May 2015 #44

0-7 to leave. I think when the jury decision is that lopsided, they should expose the Alerter Hoyt May 2015 #60

He sure would. leftofcool May 2015 #62

Obama's secret trade deal. Enthusiast May 2015 #84

Most folks know it's ludicrous to call something that everyone knows about, secret. Hoyt May 2015 #86

It will forever be known as Obama's Secret Trade Deal. Enthusiast May 2015 #87

So if you find out I have a letter, but I won't show you its *contents*, cui bono May 2015 #94

+1 Well said. BeanMusical May 2015 #111

It IS a secret you lunk. The details are secret. The fact that we know there's a trade AikidoSoul May 2015 #96

You can get most of the specifics now, if you take the time. The whole darn thing will be Hoyt May 2015 #98

Can you give me a link to the admin's posting of the details to the public? cui bono May 2015 #102

Sure, go to the USTR.gov site, read NAFTA and Korean agreement, read sections "leaked," etc. Hoyt May 2015 #103

That's not a link. cui bono May 2015 #106

Look back at the edited post. Sorry, but you'll have to do the research you should have already Hoyt May 2015 #108

No, you are making the assertion, against common knowledge, that he has made it public. cui bono May 2015 #110

What edited post? So no linky? No public disclosure of the deets? cui bono May 2015 #196

It is one thing to know about something and another to know what it is about. zeemike May 2015 #124

Funny, plenty of people seem to know it is bad, while claiming it's secret. Hoyt May 2015 #157

Well the parts that were leaked are bad. zeemike May 2015 #158

NAFTA didn't cost a bunch of jobs, even Krugman gets that. Hoyt May 2015 #160

That is bullshit...plain and simple. zeemike May 2015 #167

I know people who lost jobs to technology, but not outsourcing. Hoyt May 2015 #170

Then why did all the factories shut down? What was all that outsourcing about? cui bono May 2015 #202

Most of the "factories" were small, too small to survive alone. Factories were Hoyt May 2015 #203

No. cui bono May 2015 #204

Things are manufactured in China because people want cheap, but good products. Hoyt May 2015 #205

Oh, so the people demanded that their jobs be outsourced. I see. cui bono May 2015 #206

They wanted cheap goods. Most American jobs haven't been outsourced. Hoyt May 2015 #207

No, don't you remember? The one Obama won was against Hillary. A Simple Game May 2015 #114

Well played! I was thinking of posting the same thing. GoneOffShore May 2015 #131

Sadly, I think Sanders would have lost to McCain. Hoyt May 2015 #132

And I think we may have been better off not fighting the Revolutionary war. A Simple Game May 2015 #133

He is one of the few Democrats who would have lost that election. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #187

LMAO, yes, just like Kucinich in 2004 and 2008. A country that just voted for a stevenleser May 2015 #186

No, Kucinich didn't beat Hillary, that was then Senator and now President Obama. A Simple Game May 2015 #188

I would not bet on that. TM99 May 2015 #156

So Obama isn't a democrat? Agschmid May 2015 #163

Obama ran as a progressive Democrat TM99 May 2015 #164

I disagree with this characterization, I just don't think people were paying that close attention. Agschmid May 2015 #165

I knew exactly who and what he was. TM99 May 2015 #166

Cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! senseandsensibility May 2015 #175

I tell ya one thing, Hoyt.. Whomever wins the Nom is not going to Win the GE without the Obama Cha May 2015 #208

Exactly. Some good facts in your post. Hoyt May 2015 #209

LOL ucrdem May 2015 #10

Lol~ sheshe2 May 2015 #12

This isn't true? Enthusiast May 2015 #16

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #17

Yup. sheshe2 May 2015 #42

How often do congress people put themselves at risk to getting arrested for anything! cascadiance May 2015 #79

I will never "Pipe the fuck down". Sounds like STFU to me. I'll say what I wish. Enthusiast May 2015 #65

This true? sheshe2 May 2015 #19

No one has been jailed, Enthusiast May 2015 #66

You put this in quotes. sheshe2 May 2015 #74

It's almost as if you are purposely keeping yourself uninformed cui bono May 2015 #97

"It's almost as if you are purposely keeping yourself uninformed" BeanMusical May 2015 #113

So what facts have tennstar May 2015 #142

No shit. If you are a big bank you can launder money for Al-Qa'ida and drug cartels with no jail GoneFishin May 2015 #81

+1 whereisjustice May 2015 #139

Someone couldn't handle that... Agschmid May 2015 #20

OMG ucrdem May 2015 #22

Good ole' late night DU. Agschmid May 2015 #23

I made it! sheshe2 May 2015 #36

Yep. ucrdem May 2015 #38

and. . . ucrdem May 2015 #39

yes and I am~ sheshe2 May 2015 #40

Yeah I was juror #4 mvd May 2015 #24

Same. Agschmid May 2015 #29

Thank you, mvd. sheshe2 May 2015 #32

No problem mvd May 2015 #35

Juror #1 checking in. ScreamingMeemie May 2015 #25

ScreamingMeemie! sheshe2 May 2015 #34

Thank you, someone sent it to me. sheshe2 May 2015 #27

No problem, right back at'cha... Agschmid May 2015 #30

My fav~ gif. sheshe2 May 2015 #33

ROFL Bobbie Jo May 2015 #43

You~ sheshe2 May 2015 #45

! Bobbie Jo May 2015 #73

Juror #3 NAILED it Number23 May 2015 #54

I figured you would whine about this. nt Logical May 2015 #181

Yes! Gregorian May 2015 #18

Three letter "words"? blue neen May 2015 #21

Yes. ucrdem May 2015 #31

Good one! nt betsuni May 2015 #37

GOP cui bono May 2015 #104

I've been a registered Democrat for 40 years. blue neen May 2015 #125

Excellent smack down Bobbie Jo May 2015 #168

I didn't say you *were* GOP. But if you are going to use ODS, you gotta know that's where the idea cui bono May 2015 #171

So denigrating Obama is going to win more Dems over to Bernie's camp? Blue_Tires May 2015 #41

Boom! nt sheshe2 May 2015 #46

etc. ucrdem May 2015 #47

I am tired... sheshe2 May 2015 #50

hmm ucrdem May 2015 #52

You always make me laugh. sheshe2 May 2015 #53

lol - how about this, I *post* what I *want* and you use fewer *astrisks*. Deal? whereisjustice May 2015 #49

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #144

I alerted. "motherfuckin' emoprog skull" is unacceptable and I don't respond to ultimatums. whereisjustice May 2015 #152

And the jury spoke neverforget May 2015 #154

Thanks for doing the right thing. Appreciate it. whereisjustice May 2015 #155

In what world does someone vote to leave that ugly post? cui bono May 2015 #176

No, it's not BainsBane May 2015 #56

Blah blah. This forum is tribal and static. morningfog May 2015 #63

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #70

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #72

Here's a few other acronyms you forgot to mention... Drunken Irishman May 2015 #51

Cause Facts ares like Raid to FUD uponit7771 May 2015 #58

And a few more... cascadiance May 2015 #78

Nice addition, thanks for this! whereisjustice May 2015 #90

Well Done. DURec for your post, cascadiance. bvar22 May 2015 #91

Don't forget his new best friends, the GOP. cui bono May 2015 #109

Wait...is this a serious list? Drunken Irishman May 2015 #118

Hmm... With Keystone, interesting that he waited until AFTER the Dems lost the Senate... cascadiance May 2015 #121

It's all a conspiracy! Drunken Irishman May 2015 #126

Do you REALLY think that most of America understood and supported Keystone? cascadiance May 2015 #128

Do you give Obama credit for anything? Drunken Irishman May 2015 #177

What he did ultimately with keystone was good... cascadiance May 2015 #192

I think it could pass regardless of TPP... Drunken Irishman May 2015 #210

Which is why he should not be pushing it, and VETO it if it was passed by a Republican congress! cascadiance May 2015 #211

"This place is a parody of what I'd expect right-wingers think liberal are like." Silent3 May 2015 #159

You know what you should start your own thread and call it... one_voice May 2015 #185

Hmm... I guess you are wanting me to be a "hater" now? cascadiance May 2015 #191

I said you were a hater? one_voice May 2015 #193

I just did some "hurling" too! Number23 May 2015 #55

If Bernie is elected, in eight years we will have a similar BainsBane May 2015 #57

***DING DING DING DING DING!!!!! ***** They're looking for messiahs and when the humans show them uponit7771 May 2015 #59

We are nation of enablers. One person alone cannot change things. raouldukelives May 2015 #75

We all participate to a certain extent BainsBane May 2015 #95

He may fail, but the big difference is that at least Bernie would try. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #89

+1 kjones May 2015 #173

To the Greatest Page. woo me with science May 2015 #61

K&R newfie11 May 2015 #64

Neoliberalism at it's finest. 99Forever May 2015 #67

THANKS OBAMA. JaneyVee May 2015 #68

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #69

President Obama is a politician, albeit one I admire. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #71

ODS JoePhilly May 2015 #77

GOP cui bono May 2015 #107

Wow colsohlibgal May 2015 #80

Obama could sacrifice children on a Mayan altar, bvar22 May 2015 #92

NWO ananda May 2015 #85

Rec'd ibewlu606 May 2015 #88

K & R !!!! Thespian2 May 2015 #100

K&R (n/t) spin May 2015 #105

their only response is a one-letter word: D MisterP May 2015 #112

Great work! swilton May 2015 #116

Excellent OP Oilwellian May 2015 #117

Here's one that you intentionally forgot... Lancero May 2015 #119

I could list ACA, a gift to our corporate managed public health system, paid for whereisjustice May 2015 #120

It was a gift to me treestar May 2015 #143

I don't object to the program, just the fact that once again the middle class are bearing the weight whereisjustice May 2015 #148

the premiums are keyed to your income treestar May 2015 #149

You are missing that cost controls would have benefited everyone, my premium took a huge increase whereisjustice May 2015 #151

still not believing it treestar May 2015 #180

My group plan premium took a huge increase last two years- the point is that ACA did not whereisjustice May 2015 #189

Why are you complaining if you make that much? treestar May 2015 #190

What the fuck? You think corporations don't need price controls because I will pay for them? whereisjustice May 2015 #194

Why throwing F Bombs treestar May 2015 #200

I never saw him coming, but I see another disaster we can avoid, one solution orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #127

Obama's legacy... deathrind May 2015 #129

kick! woo me with science May 2015 #130

The longest lasting effect will be, what Bush began, he institutionalized. rug May 2015 #135

True... raindaddy May 2015 #136

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #137

K&R CrawlingChaos May 2015 #138

A bit off track: George II May 2015 #140

George II sheshe2 May 2015 #141

Thanks...Obama isn't perfect, but... George II May 2015 #146

A Republican Underground. sheshe2 May 2015 #150

LOL, ok. nt Logical May 2015 #184

here's a few more.. TimeToEvolve May 2015 #145

Where is a reference to what he did to public education? senseandsensibility May 2015 #174

Kick. No more corporate predators in Democrat suits. woo me with science May 2015 #212