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In reply to the discussion: The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men — and things are getting worse [View all]polly7
(20,582 posts)67. The Pain of Modern Life
Suicide a worldwide epidemic
by Graham Peebles / May 14th, 2015
Stigma and under-reporting of suicides
According to WHO, 1.5% of worldwide deaths were caused by suicide in 2012, making it the third highest cause of death in the world. And this is just those deaths confirmed as suicide. WHO admits that the availability and quality of data is poor, with only 60 Member States providing statistics that can be used directly to estimate suicide rates. Many suicides, they say, are hidden among other causes of death, such as single car, single driver road traffic accidents, un-witnessed drownings and other undetermined deaths. These are just some of the many factors that make accurately assessing the numbers who take their own lives problematic. In countries where social attitudes, or religious dogma, shroud suicide in a stigma of guilt (Sub-Saharan Africa, where suicide is rarely if ever discussed or admitted, for instance), suicide may be hidden and go un-reported; so too in countries where suicide is still regarded as a criminal act: Hungary for example, where attempted suicide carries a prison sentence of five years, or Japan where it is illegal to commit suicide. North Korea, where relatives of a person committing suicide are penalised; Ireland, where self-harm is not generally regarded as a form of attempted suicide; Singapore, where suicide remains illegal and attempted suicide can result in imprisonment; or Russia, where the rate of teenage suicides is three times the world average and where those attempting suicide can be committed to a psychiatric hospital. All of which are pretty strong reasons for hiding suicide attempts and concealing suicide as the cause of death, as well as deterring people from discussing suicidal thoughts.
Whatever the precise number of total deaths by suicide and all the indications are that it is a good deal higher than WHO says what is clear is that suicide is a major social issue. The figures of both attempted suicides and committed suicides are increasing; it needs to be openly discussed, the causes understood and more support provided. In the last 45 years, WHO states that suicide rates have increased by 60%, and unless something marvellous happens that drastically changes the environment in which we are living, they predict that by 2020 the rate of death will have doubled from one suicide every 40 seconds, to someone, somewhere in the world taking his/her life every 20 seconds!
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/05/the-pain-of-modern-life/
I just wanted to include this as an article some may get something from ....... certainly, suicide in India is a horrific problem for men, and shows just how badly they suffer as a result of the pain of not being able to care for their families, d/t extreme poverty and loss of control of their lands and produce to huge corporations they can never possibly repay. I think men worldwide are seen as 'breadwinners' and very much feel shame and often unbearable pain when they see themselves as worthless - and it is only going to get worse.
by Graham Peebles / May 14th, 2015
Stigma and under-reporting of suicides
According to WHO, 1.5% of worldwide deaths were caused by suicide in 2012, making it the third highest cause of death in the world. And this is just those deaths confirmed as suicide. WHO admits that the availability and quality of data is poor, with only 60 Member States providing statistics that can be used directly to estimate suicide rates. Many suicides, they say, are hidden among other causes of death, such as single car, single driver road traffic accidents, un-witnessed drownings and other undetermined deaths. These are just some of the many factors that make accurately assessing the numbers who take their own lives problematic. In countries where social attitudes, or religious dogma, shroud suicide in a stigma of guilt (Sub-Saharan Africa, where suicide is rarely if ever discussed or admitted, for instance), suicide may be hidden and go un-reported; so too in countries where suicide is still regarded as a criminal act: Hungary for example, where attempted suicide carries a prison sentence of five years, or Japan where it is illegal to commit suicide. North Korea, where relatives of a person committing suicide are penalised; Ireland, where self-harm is not generally regarded as a form of attempted suicide; Singapore, where suicide remains illegal and attempted suicide can result in imprisonment; or Russia, where the rate of teenage suicides is three times the world average and where those attempting suicide can be committed to a psychiatric hospital. All of which are pretty strong reasons for hiding suicide attempts and concealing suicide as the cause of death, as well as deterring people from discussing suicidal thoughts.
Whatever the precise number of total deaths by suicide and all the indications are that it is a good deal higher than WHO says what is clear is that suicide is a major social issue. The figures of both attempted suicides and committed suicides are increasing; it needs to be openly discussed, the causes understood and more support provided. In the last 45 years, WHO states that suicide rates have increased by 60%, and unless something marvellous happens that drastically changes the environment in which we are living, they predict that by 2020 the rate of death will have doubled from one suicide every 40 seconds, to someone, somewhere in the world taking his/her life every 20 seconds!
Competition and conformity have infiltrated every area of worldwide society, from education to health care. Everything and everyone is seen as a commodity, to be bought at the lowest price and sold at the highest. Financial profit is the overwhelming motive that drives and distorts action. Materialistic values promoting individual success, greed and selfishness saturate the world; values that divide and separate humanity, leading to social tension, conflict and illness. Ideals, which are not values in any real sense of the word, which have both fashioned the divisive political-economic landscape in which we live (which has failed the masses and poisoned the planet), and been strengthened by it. Together with the economic system of market fundamentalism which so ardently promotes them, these values form, I believe, the basic ingredients in the interwoven set of social factors that cause a great deal of the mental health issues, which lead those most vulnerable members of our society to commit suicide. Men, women and children who simply cannot cope with the pressures of life anymore, who feel the collective and individual pain of life acutely, are disposed towards introspection and find the world too noisy, its values too crude, its demands of strength not weakness, success not failure, confidence not doubt, impossible to meet. And why should they have to meet them? Why do these pressures of life exist at all?
It is time to build an altogether different, healthier model, a new way of living in which true perennial values of goodness shape the systems that govern the societies in which we live, and not the corrosive, ideologically reductive corporate weapons of ubiquitous living which are sucking the beauty, diversity and joy out of life. Values of compassion, selflessness, cooperation, tolerance and understanding; we need, as Arundhati Roy puts it, to redefine the meaning of modernity, to redefine the meaning of happiness, for we have exchanged happiness for pleasure, replaced love with desire, unity with division, cooperation with competition, and have created a divided society where conflict rages, internationally, regionally, communally and individually.
It is time to build an altogether different, healthier model, a new way of living in which true perennial values of goodness shape the systems that govern the societies in which we live, and not the corrosive, ideologically reductive corporate weapons of ubiquitous living which are sucking the beauty, diversity and joy out of life. Values of compassion, selflessness, cooperation, tolerance and understanding; we need, as Arundhati Roy puts it, to redefine the meaning of modernity, to redefine the meaning of happiness, for we have exchanged happiness for pleasure, replaced love with desire, unity with division, cooperation with competition, and have created a divided society where conflict rages, internationally, regionally, communally and individually.
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/05/the-pain-of-modern-life/
I just wanted to include this as an article some may get something from ....... certainly, suicide in India is a horrific problem for men, and shows just how badly they suffer as a result of the pain of not being able to care for their families, d/t extreme poverty and loss of control of their lands and produce to huge corporations they can never possibly repay. I think men worldwide are seen as 'breadwinners' and very much feel shame and often unbearable pain when they see themselves as worthless - and it is only going to get worse.
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The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men — and things are getting worse [View all]
Katashi_itto
May 2015
OP
Why not ask men who are generally happy and have a fairly optimistic, positive worldview?
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#145
the question had to do with men who were unhappy, subjectively, presumably with their own
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#170
Why do you think men are so much more likely to choose methods that insure immediate death ...
dawg
May 2015
#53
my mom committed suicide. her first attempt pills. second that was successful was garage.
seabeyond
May 2015
#81
Not just grown men. Three of my childhood friends offspring committed suicide. All boys.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#41
feminists are on board. we, i, have been talking about this for a lot of years now.
seabeyond
May 2015
#54
Wonderful post David. Compassion has helped me deal with a lot in life, and not just compassion
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#29
At the turn of the last century, men and women had roughly equal lifespans (about 47 years).
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#44
Margaret Sanger likely played a part in that life expectancy improvement, as well.
MADem
May 2015
#65
So dysfunctional men turn their anger outwards on women/children/gays or themselves.
KittyWampus
May 2015
#21
As do dysfunctional women, the problem as I see it is that men took the reigns early on,
AuntPatsy
May 2015
#26
So, men's groups in which we discuss how much we suck... are okay? This would reduce suicide?
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#42
I don't see what ismnotwasm said as saying men suck--rather, that men aren't contained
fishwax
May 2015
#95
Your husband is fortunate to have a strong partner who rejects traditional gender norms.
dawg
May 2015
#58
Possibly it was my good fortune to be rejected as a child and as a teen by that man-cult.
hunter
May 2015
#52
raising two boys, two nephews, growning up with two brothers, we have created a hell
seabeyond
May 2015
#55
I think most thinking men would admit that women still have it far worse than men ...
dawg
May 2015
#60
my 17 yr old bbq burgers for his guy friends, with my oldest son home from university. i was talking
seabeyond
May 2015
#62
It's always hard to know a person just from what they post on the internet, but ...
dawg
May 2015
#68
Men are also far more likely than women to take out other people before committing suicide.
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#61
While not impossible, it does get tougher to change direction as you get older
The2ndWheel
May 2015
#120
One should have more appreciation for gender benders and other gender non-conformists
AZ Progressive
May 2015
#116
More women are plunged into poverty by divorce and/or lack of child support more than
bettyellen
May 2015
#129
The article was intended to offer insight into the more self-damaging aspects of male identity.
Bonobo
May 2015
#135
It refer to women- how our jobs are not important because they are still "feminine" if they lose
bettyellen
May 2015
#167
The world revolves around women as much as men. The authors brought up this stupid idea
bettyellen
May 2015
#168