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MaggieD

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64. Reality is not an excuse

Tue May 26, 2015, 11:39 AM

May 2015

It's just reality. This thread is an excellent example of why people accuse the left of being elitist.

I guess you think we can wave a magic wand and people in Belarus. Bulgaria, etc will just be able to switch to solar power.

"Besides dislodging a bounty of natural gas, Mitchell’s breakthrough ignited an energy revolution. Between 2006 and 2008, domestic gas reserves jumped 35 percent. The United States later vaulted past Russia to become the world’s largest natural gas producer. As a result, prices dropped to record lows, and America began to wean itself from coal, along with oil and gas imports, which lessened its dependence on the Middle East. The surging global gas supply also helped shrink Russia’s economic clout: Profits for Russia’s state-owned gas company, Gazprom, plummeted by more than 60 percent between 2008 and 2009 alone."

Please live in reality.

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MotherJones: "How Hillary Clinton's State Department Sold Fracking to the World" [View all] NYC_SKP May 2015 OP

It's pretty clear who she's working for. Jester Messiah May 2015 #1

Department of State as an Extension of the US Chamber of Commerce. NYC_SKP May 2015 #2

Isn't it odd that President Obama differentiated himself from her truebluegreen May 2015 #4

That was one of my biggest complaints after the election. There were many roles she Exilednight May 2015 #8

He almost had to give her a plum position. 840high May 2015 #53

True. But why that one? nt truebluegreen May 2015 #102

That's why you don't listen to the rhetoric. Jester Messiah May 2015 #5

And I actually think she would have done a good job at HHS. jwirr May 2015 #33

Me, too. NYC_SKP May 2015 #37

It is a legitimate role of the State Dept. MBS May 2015 #79

True, if the businesses are truly American and if balanced against other values, concerns. NYC_SKP May 2015 #82

yup, I know what you mean. MBS May 2015 #118

Yep, and I'm not voting for her. closeupready May 2015 #7

For me this trumps any concerns she may express about climate change truebluegreen May 2015 #3

Exactly... TheNutcracker May 2015 #76

K/R marmar May 2015 #6

Clinton, Hillary Thespian2 May 2015 #9

Oh, I'm SURE this was largely "...part of a push to fight climate change." Chef Eric May 2015 #10

Is your home off the grid? MaggieD May 2015 #22

What is Clinton's Energy Policy Now? What would she bring to Congress in 2017? DhhD May 2015 #11

According to her very own Super PAC, she's like the goddess of the environment, but look closer. NYC_SKP May 2015 #15

Are you off the grid? MaggieD May 2015 #24

No, better than off the grid, I produce far more (solar) energy than I consume. NYC_SKP May 2015 #28

How much did those solar panels cost? MaggieD May 2015 #32

Your sidebar is a non sequitur; a separate argument. NYC_SKP May 2015 #36

No it's not MaggieD May 2015 #49

But no actual response of substance? Android3.14 May 2015 #56

What the hell are you talking about? You asked a question, I gave you answers. NYC_SKP May 2015 #59

LOL - your answer was "let's not talk about that" MaggieD May 2015 #67

No, my answer was - you're hilarious (but sad). nt. polly7 May 2015 #78

I wasn't responding to you.... MaggieD May 2015 #80

Oh well, my post still stands. nt. polly7 May 2015 #86

Not you, NYC_SKP Android3.14 May 2015 #96

Silly. That was way back in 2012. Why dredge up the past. I'm sure she has changed since then. L0oniX May 2015 #12

Was that the sound of one shoe dropping? Ford_Prefect May 2015 #13

Give fracking another chance. JEB May 2015 #14

What she is saying: give fracking a chance hedda_foil May 2015 #116

This doesn't surprise me. Nor does the endorsement of Clinton by Nancy Reagan. PatrickforO May 2015 #16

Except that isn't true... Agschmid May 2015 #17

Looks like we have another problem with sources. Do you trust politico? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #18

Well at least they source shit. Agschmid May 2015 #20

Must she be a champion of Either Way: Solar? She would not need defending if she is moving away DhhD May 2015 #25

Huh? Agschmid May 2015 #27

Boy, and here I was believing it. You'd think Bloomberg would be OK PatrickforO May 2015 #119

They issued a retraction. Agschmid May 2015 #120

Hoax. Here's a link: NYC_SKP May 2015 #29

National Report.... LovingA2andMI May 2015 #47

Really? workinclasszero May 2015 #90

We're at a time where we desperately need someone who will stand up to.... raindaddy May 2015 #19

Are you off the grid? MaggieD May 2015 #23

What difference does that make? LovingA2andMI May 2015 #51

Are you suggesting fracking is a necessity? raindaddy May 2015 #57

I'm saying it's better than oil and coal MaggieD May 2015 #60

The west has never used resources as weapons? polly7 May 2015 #63

That's elitist MaggieD May 2015 #65

You're hilarious (but sad). nt. polly7 May 2015 #66

I believe a new DU record has been set... NYC_SKP May 2015 #74

Part of this thread is sounding like the Druggie Limpaugh show progree May 2015 #115

Sorry but there's nothing elitist about shifting our focus from fossil fuel to solar... raindaddy May 2015 #92

This isn't about US MaggieD May 2015 #93

Why would Hillary promote fracking anywhere? raindaddy May 2015 #95

When will you be visiting those nations.... MaggieD May 2015 #61

When will you vist California? raindaddy May 2015 #94

I visit CA pretty regularly... MaggieD May 2015 #97

Cheaper for who??? You can't even put a price on the damage fracking has done in CA raindaddy May 2015 #98

What does that have to do with Clinton?? MaggieD May 2015 #99

She's advocating the same for other countries - all to benefit the owners of these corporations. polly7 May 2015 #100

Isn't it obvious? raindaddy May 2015 #101

Yet less detrimental than current practices... MaggieD May 2015 #103

Oh bullshit. polly7 May 2015 #104

Right, who cares about polluting the water in Eastern Europe? raindaddy May 2015 #107

Well maybe you can lend.... MaggieD May 2015 #108

You're the one that's going to need the magic wand raindaddy May 2015 #109

I live in reality land.... MaggieD May 2015 #111

Hopefully you haven't lived in an area where the wells have been destroyed by frackers raindaddy May 2015 #112

If one added up the cost of all the damage caused by fracking it's no longer a cheap raindaddy May 2015 #113

Those countries can solve their own problems without outside 'help' (that always comes with polly7 May 2015 #110

For good reason.... MaggieD May 2015 #21

You're suggesting that fracking fights climate change. Did you bother to read your own link??? NYC_SKP May 2015 #31

Are you suggesting gas isn't preferable to oil? MaggieD May 2015 #35

Oil??? Oil is not used widely to generate electricity. You really need to do some research. NYC_SKP May 2015 #39

Let's inject some reality, shall we? MaggieD May 2015 #43

So? polly7 May 2015 #48

Seriously. Where Russia ships oil has zilch to do with generation of electricity in Romania. NYC_SKP May 2015 #68

Thank you, I'm learning a lot from your posts. polly7 May 2015 #69

What happened to Bulgaria? MaggieD May 2015 #70

LOL. That damned Russia again. nt. polly7 May 2015 #40

Russia is in fact a bad actor in that region MaggieD May 2015 #81

Oh I know what Russia is doing in the region. polly7 May 2015 #83

Then why do you support Russia? MaggieD May 2015 #85

I support the people in every nation. polly7 May 2015 #88

If that were true you would not support Russia MaggieD May 2015 #89

I have friends who've lived in Europe and travelled all over the place. polly7 May 2015 #91

Aren't you one of the moderators of the Barack Obama group? sufrommich May 2015 #26

Yes, I host the BOG and Sanders groups and 4 or 5 others. NYC_SKP May 2015 #30

Oh come on - you know that's BS MaggieD May 2015 #34

"did all sorts of things against policy" sufrommich May 2015 #38

Clinton Foundation reported that it "violated its ethics agreement with the Obama administration" NYC_SKP May 2015 #41

That's not exactly proof of a rogue State Department,is it? sufrommich May 2015 #44

Why change the subject? MaggieD May 2015 #46

The Either Way. n/t DhhD May 2015 #45

K & R !!! WillyT May 2015 #42

Another day, another hit piece./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #50

Why stop at one? The subject is ripe for picking. NYC_SKP May 2015 #52

TY 840high May 2015 #54

If you gave me $10,000,000,000.00 I would not vote against Hillary Clinton DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #58

seriously? she's your idol? cali May 2015 #72

She's a fighter...He's a fighter...I like to think of myself as a fighter./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #75

when she promotes fracking questionseverything May 2015 #122

I don't drink water, only Old Grand Dad. The distilling process kills the germs./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #123

Please trot out the excuses IN THIS ORDER Doctor_J May 2015 #55

Reality is not an excuse MaggieD May 2015 #64

Very sorry to say this but elleng May 2015 #62

True, no argument there. However, the title of the OP is verbatim from the source. NYC_SKP May 2015 #71

I understand that, SKP. elleng May 2015 #73

Sure just like when the President told her Sid was NOT to advise her. She did her own thing. TheNutcracker May 2015 #114

Her environmental stances are among the things MBS May 2015 #77

Keystone? MaggieD May 2015 #84

from that same article. . MBS May 2015 #117

Well, she's not "dead broke" anymore. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #87

Now We Know Who HRC Really Represents cantbeserious May 2015 #105

The post is false. Agschmid May 2015 #121

Only the most wilfully blind can refuse to see hifiguy May 2015 #106