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In reply to the discussion: The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men — and things are getting worse [View all]The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)79. "Why do these ‘pressures of life’ exist at all?"
Because a worldwide society wouldn't exist without them.
Competition and conformity have infiltrated every area of worldwide society
I don't think infiltrate is the right word there. Look at a definition of society; the aggregate of people living together in a more or less ordered community. Now look at mass society; modern industrialized urbanized society: the society of the mass man especially when held to be marked by anonymity, high mobility, lack of individuality, and a general dominance of impersonal relationships.
It's part of it. What works if all the pieces don't fit together? Is having say 1000 different languages efficient, or is 1 language the most efficient?
It is time to build an altogether different, healthier model, a new way of living in which true perennial values of goodness shape the systems that govern the societies in which we live, and not the corrosive, ideologically reductive corporate weapons of ubiquitous living which are sucking the beauty, diversity and joy out of life. Values of compassion, selflessness, cooperation, tolerance and understanding; we need, as Arundhati Roy puts it, to redefine the meaning of modernity, to redefine the meaning of happiness, for we have exchanged happiness for pleasure, replaced love with desire, unity with division, cooperation with competition, and have created a divided society where conflict rages, internationally, regionally, communally and individually.
Even in this answer, it only works if there's conformity. How would such a society come to be? By an altogether different and healthier model outcompeting the other model. We can't escape it.
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The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men — and things are getting worse [View all]
Katashi_itto
May 2015
OP
Why not ask men who are generally happy and have a fairly optimistic, positive worldview?
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#145
the question had to do with men who were unhappy, subjectively, presumably with their own
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#170
Why do you think men are so much more likely to choose methods that insure immediate death ...
dawg
May 2015
#53
my mom committed suicide. her first attempt pills. second that was successful was garage.
seabeyond
May 2015
#81
Not just grown men. Three of my childhood friends offspring committed suicide. All boys.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#41
feminists are on board. we, i, have been talking about this for a lot of years now.
seabeyond
May 2015
#54
Wonderful post David. Compassion has helped me deal with a lot in life, and not just compassion
liberal_at_heart
May 2015
#29
At the turn of the last century, men and women had roughly equal lifespans (about 47 years).
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#44
Margaret Sanger likely played a part in that life expectancy improvement, as well.
MADem
May 2015
#65
So dysfunctional men turn their anger outwards on women/children/gays or themselves.
KittyWampus
May 2015
#21
As do dysfunctional women, the problem as I see it is that men took the reigns early on,
AuntPatsy
May 2015
#26
So, men's groups in which we discuss how much we suck... are okay? This would reduce suicide?
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#42
I don't see what ismnotwasm said as saying men suck--rather, that men aren't contained
fishwax
May 2015
#95
Your husband is fortunate to have a strong partner who rejects traditional gender norms.
dawg
May 2015
#58
Possibly it was my good fortune to be rejected as a child and as a teen by that man-cult.
hunter
May 2015
#52
raising two boys, two nephews, growning up with two brothers, we have created a hell
seabeyond
May 2015
#55
I think most thinking men would admit that women still have it far worse than men ...
dawg
May 2015
#60
my 17 yr old bbq burgers for his guy friends, with my oldest son home from university. i was talking
seabeyond
May 2015
#62
It's always hard to know a person just from what they post on the internet, but ...
dawg
May 2015
#68
Men are also far more likely than women to take out other people before committing suicide.
Arugula Latte
May 2015
#61
While not impossible, it does get tougher to change direction as you get older
The2ndWheel
May 2015
#120
One should have more appreciation for gender benders and other gender non-conformists
AZ Progressive
May 2015
#116
More women are plunged into poverty by divorce and/or lack of child support more than
bettyellen
May 2015
#129
The article was intended to offer insight into the more self-damaging aspects of male identity.
Bonobo
May 2015
#135
It refer to women- how our jobs are not important because they are still "feminine" if they lose
bettyellen
May 2015
#167
The world revolves around women as much as men. The authors brought up this stupid idea
bettyellen
May 2015
#168