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cascadiance

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68. The point is that big leads can be overcome quickly and at rates that it is still achievable...

Tue May 26, 2015, 01:50 PM

May 2015

Bernie has a helluva lot more time than 4-5 months to do this, and he has a lot more opportunity in my book to gain public recognition than Obama did then from the American public. It was between Obama and Clinton, with Edwards on the outside looking in then.

This time I think Sanders is more in Obama's position than he is in the third place Edwards position, with O'Malley possibly being in the Edwards slot this time around.

A lot of us in 2008 went with Edwards who of the top three was the only one really speaking out on liberal issues. I think Edwards had a far more daunting uphill climb than Sanders does now (putting aside what Edwards had working against him personally later that had him drop out). Edwards going in to Iowa was not that far out of the hunt then.

I still think it's WAY too early yet for us to make any hard conclusions from polls at this point. A lot can change between now and primary season.

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OMG BERNIE SANDERS IS SO FAR BEHIND IN THE POLLS YOU GUYS [View all] WilliamPitt May 2015 OP

Yabbut what's up with his hair? tkmorris May 2015 #1

If Hillary supporters and media talk a lot about his hair... cascadiance May 2015 #10

If his appearance is fair game, so's her appearance. closeupready May 2015 #48

You'd think so, but no way! Screams of "misogyny!" throughout the land! nt 7962 May 2015 #56

you read the ..... quickesst May 2015 #106

Yeah, we don't really need your tut tuts. Ed Suspicious May 2015 #109

Thinking "bull in a china shop" is misogynistic is exactly what I'm talking about 7962 May 2015 #110

Don't forget O'Malley is about to join the race Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #137

I don't think anyone has really legitimately criticized him on that. Agschmid May 2015 #51

How about stories of people's kids who think he's a "grumpy old grandpa" BrotherIvan May 2015 #75

I mostly dismiss anecdotes. Agschmid May 2015 #112

And Hillary is a grandmother. And I think that is wonderful, for both of them. sabrina 1 May 2015 #120

Indeed. Agschmid May 2015 #121

It would be wise if the Hillary campaign didn't mention appearance. Enthusiast May 2015 #105

I don't think that they do. Agschmid May 2015 #113

Ya, Hey. Wot's wit da hair? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #78

Yeah! Who would vote for hair like that? Enthusiast May 2015 #104

Probably forgot his hair spry...go Bernie.. movonne May 2015 #123

Clearly, messy hair disqualifies a person from running for US President nikto May 2015 #161

he had a rough night and forgot it was picture day dlwickham May 2015 #179

How many states did Kucinich win with his "message?" Renew Deal May 2015 #2

Kucinich is no Sanders AgingAmerican May 2015 #27

I agree Renew Deal May 2015 #30

Bradley didn't generate as much excitement as Bernie is AgingAmerican May 2015 #31

That was 2000. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #79

Precisely. We have had years of blatant abuse since then. Criminality run wild. Schemes run on us. Enthusiast May 2015 #107

And the times have changed drastically since then. As long as this economic recovery they talk jwirr May 2015 #40

Well kenfrequed May 2015 #53

The major problem with Kucinich (besides large numbers of competitors) was-- eridani May 2015 #147

Why should Hillary supporters be "nervous"? You get that we are Democrats and also support Sanders, PeaceNikki May 2015 #3

You say that, but... Android3.14 May 2015 #67

rofl PeaceNikki May 2015 #71

What's with the ROFL? Android3.14 May 2015 #74

the rofl is me laughing at you. PeaceNikki May 2015 #98

In what ways are we all on the same side? Where is Clinton on TPP? Is she fighting for the Ed Suspicious May 2015 #115

I understand ROFL, I just don't understand why Android3.14 May 2015 #127

I could write a list of worse candidates... kenfrequed May 2015 #167

Sharing a political party does not necessarily mean being "on the same side." Scootaloo May 2015 #170

He'll be further once Martin O'Malley gets his message out- snooper2 May 2015 #4

I thought O'Malley was running for VP. (nt) paleotn May 2015 #140

Reality might just be a huge slap in the face to many DUers TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #5

Chart's already available... brooklynite May 2015 #18

No amount of wishful thinking will slow him down AgingAmerican May 2015 #32

...he should match up with Hillary around March, 2017 workinclasszero May 2015 #36

I certainly plan to vote for him. Polls dont affect my voting choices. CentralMass May 2015 #50

I don't give a tinker's cuss what the polls say, either Art_from_Ark May 2015 #162

Hmm... Obama gained 6.5-8 points per month over 4-5 months to take the lead in 2008. cascadiance May 2015 #60

"that's a net gain around 32 points" TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #64

The point is that big leads can be overcome quickly and at rates that it is still achievable... cascadiance May 2015 #68

That's what I think. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #80

I totally agree there is plenty of time for Bernie TerrapinFlyer May 2015 #81

Sure, but Obama didn't . ... PosterChild May 2015 #154

'beginning of March'? The 47-22 lead was midway through September muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #169

Yes, I should have been talking about that surge starting right around October, not March... cascadiance May 2015 #180

Well, let's see.... swilton May 2015 #89

How fast did Hillary lose 30 points in 2008?? nt Logical May 2015 #118

I'm sure Bernie really appreciates this kind of support. Starry Messenger May 2015 #6

IN YER FACE, l00zERS!!!! 111!! PeaceNikki May 2015 #9

Maybe this is a proxy war spilling over from the Sports forum. Starry Messenger May 2015 #11

That's the second time I've seen that reference. WilliamPitt May 2015 #20

That was the charitable explanation for the OP. Starry Messenger May 2015 #22

"we're on the same side, yo" OilemFirchen May 2015 #23

because none of it is about actually supporting Sanders JI7 May 2015 #122

It's the "I'm so liberaler than you!" game. PeaceNikki May 2015 #124

+ a million. And I thought we were just bombarded with "concern" posts about how Hillary hasn't Number23 May 2015 #135

I'll be curious if this level of cognitive dissonance can be Starry Messenger May 2015 #146

I think I'll save this OP for posterity. nt sufrommich May 2015 #7

I for one am looking forward GusBob May 2015 #19

I have not been polled fredamae May 2015 #8

I've a poll in the last couple weeks in Florida Sancho May 2015 #13

It's odd that fredamae May 2015 #15

We never get polled but we don't have a landline, and we live in Mass. Agschmid May 2015 #47

you want to get paid twice? reddread May 2015 #17

Roughly, the chances of you being included in any poll is 1/300,000 immoderate May 2015 #21

I take your point, but just for a bit of realism, they probably poll around 1500ish people out of a Ed Suspicious May 2015 #114

And behind he will stay... cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #12

Bingo! We have a winner. n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #42

Haha yep whatchamacallit May 2015 #44

I am looking forward to hearing KMOD May 2015 #46

He'll do a lot of this: OilemFirchen May 2015 #92

She is inevitable, if you mean "will she shoot herself in the foot?" Inevitably. peacebird May 2015 #49

That's what I'm thinking too. Enthusiast May 2015 #108

And Bernie takes Hilary where Hilary doesn't wanna go CrawlingChaos May 2015 #128

Yet another front in the imaginary War on Sanders. NuclearDem May 2015 #14

Its like the war on Christmas around here lately. JoePhilly May 2015 #29

THAT swings two ways. If I were to pay attention to most commenters on Hillaries side I would jwirr May 2015 #52

This is a very reasonable well put post mythology May 2015 #100

Thank you. I want DU to still be here at the end of the primary season. jwirr May 2015 #103

Pretty snarky low remark. Paka May 2015 #152

a sheer delight reddread May 2015 #16

So, If she pastes him, will you eat your words? Adrahil May 2015 #24

I thought she was ahead? reddread May 2015 #25

I imagine not, because there will a laundry list of institutions to blame for it instead. NuclearDem May 2015 #54

Yup, jeebus-fucking-forbid anyone disagree with some of these folks. n/t Adrahil May 2015 #165

Reserve the new $20 bill for CountAllVotes May 2015 #26

Do you wish him dead? geardaddy May 2015 #70

I said RESERVE it CountAllVotes May 2015 #99

Ah ok. geardaddy May 2015 #102

Gosh, is this for me? KMOD May 2015 #28

OMG! HILLARY ISN'T TALKING TO THE PRESS!!! If there's that much time- KittyWampus May 2015 #33

Because she isn't would be my first guess. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #69

Go Bernie Go! SoapBox May 2015 #34

Mrs. Clinton has plenty of time to crash and burn, just like she did in 2008 Jack Rabbit May 2015 #35

Hillary can NEVER live down the fact that ... CountAllVotes May 2015 #39

Mr. Sander's supporters certainly seem to believe that will happen. KMOD May 2015 #41

And by "crash and burn" you mean "got as many votes as Obama did"? brooklynite May 2015 #45

It's always fun to add subjective qualifiers to a candidate. LanternWaste May 2015 #59

My analysis of the winning aspects of Obama's campaign brooklynite May 2015 #62

Great idea, using the status quo to display Hillary eloydude May 2015 #125

Your analysis assumes that everyone who supported Hillary in '08 automatically will this time. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #163

"It's time for something new"...an unsubstantiated speculation brooklynite May 2015 #164

It's going to come up, particularly if- a very likely if- California has legalization on the ballot. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #166

No, we mean LOST a 30 point lead. LOL, you keep forgetting that. nt Logical May 2015 #119

I am looking forward Duval May 2015 #37

It's Already Fun... WillyT May 2015 #38

64.2 to 7.4 rug May 2015 #43

Thanks for the actual numbers. nt SunSeeker May 2015 #65

Well, you just explained the impetus behind this panicked little pile of nothing posing as an OP Number23 May 2015 #136

Bernie won't have the cash to organize in the caucus states... MaggieD May 2015 #55

Try changing your party in Vermont eloydude May 2015 #82

Patrick Leahy (D) MaggieD May 2015 #83

Why dont you do a little research eloydude May 2015 #90

Why don't YOU tell us MaggieD May 2015 #91

Heres your homework. eloydude May 2015 #93

Voter registration has nothing to do with it MaggieD May 2015 #94

Failurr to read assigned homework eloydude May 2015 #96

Again, voter registration has NOTHING to do with it MaggieD May 2015 #97

We don't do projections katmille May 2015 #158

Here is yours , for extra credit... PosterChild May 2015 #156

Here's your homework katmille May 2015 #157

LOL - he can't be a democrat, he can't MaggieD May 2015 #131

I have an explanation for you eloydude May 2015 #133

Sanders is not a member of the VT Democratic party because.... MaggieD May 2015 #134

He's a Democratic socialist eloydude May 2015 #138

You're done with me because you're wrong MaggieD May 2015 #139

That's fine. I'm done with you. eloydude May 2015 #142

See you - have a great evening! MaggieD May 2015 #143

Aww ...are we still up set about Bernie? L0oniX May 2015 #130

Bernie is not the problem MaggieD May 2015 #132

You are doing fine representing the Hillary Clinton wing of the Democratic Party. eloydude May 2015 #141

The Bernie who said Obama should be primaried in 2012? MaggieD May 2015 #144

I agreed with Bernie back then... and I agree with Bernie now... eloydude May 2015 #148

Oh? hrmjustin May 2015 #151

Thats a total misrepresentation of what he said... Agschmid May 2015 #155

Speaking of ethics ...how's that transparency thing working out for ya L0oniX May 2015 #181

while i have my own reservations about HRC... 0rganism May 2015 #57

"the election is OWED to her" worked so well in the '08 primaries, didn't it MisterP May 2015 #86

was she this dominant in 2007? 0rganism May 2015 #87

it's not the numbers in the polls but their persistence MisterP May 2015 #88

Oh god, not the Nader argument again! MaggieD May 2015 #95

I seem to remember a certain dark horse candidate in '91 Nevernose May 2015 #150

*Shrug* I don't base my vote on polls. Or likeability, or hair style, or types of underwear. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #58

+ 1 red dog 1 May 2015 #66

Absolutely. Being an old Leftie Liberal, having a real Progressive to vote for just makes my decade libdem4life May 2015 #145

Bernie or death. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #61

K&R for Bernie n/t bobthedrummer May 2015 #63

he may be behind azureblue May 2015 #72

K&R red dog 1 May 2015 #73

. one_voice May 2015 #76

Well he has a chance to prove he can win and i have no doubt he will hrmjustin May 2015 #77

I don't think he's in it to win it MaggieD May 2015 #85

And if people don't see the disconnect, even affluent ones, it should orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #84

The MSM also has lots of time to find some out-of-context clip LiberalLovinLug May 2015 #101

Remember Gene McCarthy? n/t malthaussen May 2015 #176

Are you saying that he's going to campaign through November 2016 even if he's not the nominee? pnwmom May 2015 #111

Trouble with Senator Sanders Record... Thespian2 May 2015 #116

Negative ads would be no problem... PosterChild May 2015 #159

Sure fire way dpatbrown May 2015 #117

I mean, maybe? But.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #126

Primaries are in next Feb, 9 months. joshcryer May 2015 #129

He uses his genius for the good of us all. Elmer S. E. Dump May 2015 #149

Hilary's been campaigning for FORTY YEARS Nevernose May 2015 #153

YOU CALLED HILLARY A BULL WITH BILLS FALLING OUT OF ITS ASS! OnyxCollie May 2015 #160

I seem to remember them saying the same thing RoccoR5955 May 2015 #168

I can always tell when you're posting drunk Bucky May 2015 #171

At 11:29 in the morning? WilliamPitt May 2015 #172

Seriously, you posted a list of months as an argument. Bucky May 2015 #173

Better. WilliamPitt May 2015 #174

Bernie's hair reminds me of an old Playboy story... malthaussen May 2015 #175

Imagine how well the campaign will do once they organize some focus groups! (jk) Babel_17 May 2015 #177

His 90% tax rate plan should turn things around (nt) Nye Bevan May 2015 #178