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Bluenorthwest

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101. Here's the thing. Some charitable foundations make grants as a primary function, others do things

Tue May 26, 2015, 09:40 PM

May 2015

themselves and make grants as a secondary function, others make no grants at all and exist to carry out their own work. These two foundations do not have the same objectives, the two charts offer no comparison that is useful and the MSF actual website breaks their spending down differently, stating 88.7% on Program Services, 10.4% on fundraising and .9% on management. It is not the pie chart you are using, and it does not use the terminology that chart uses. MSF does not refer to itself as 'making grants' because what they do is send emergency funds, volunteers and materials, 'making grants' would be MSF sending money to another relief organization to support that organization's efforts.

Politicizing MSF for any reason, even to employ them as a rhetorical tool in politics is in my view a very dubious action. Material presented as theirs should be actually theirs and up to date. They are an intentionally non political group, so again, I think that should be respected.
The official MSF Financial Pie Chart is at this link....
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/about-us/financial-information

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Repressive Regimes Donated to Clinton Foundation, Got Federal Approval for Arms Deals [View all] cali May 2015 OP

Unfortunately many of the "bad" countries listed, are our allies Agschmid May 2015 #1

Yes, it is. So is the fact that U.S. arms sales increased so much during the Obama cali May 2015 #3

Yes, a knot which seems increasingly difficult to untangle. Agschmid May 2015 #4

US defense spending declined, so other countries filled the void. geek tragedy May 2015 #8

Do you not see a potential conflict of interest when foreigner are allowed to "donate" to rhett o rick May 2015 #13

Did I say that somewhere? Agschmid May 2015 #79

I simply asked a question. I made no assumptions. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #95

Ok. Agschmid May 2015 #97

Unfortunately, many of the bad countries listed are our "allies". Poor judgement. leveymg May 2015 #19

I usually get a kick out of irony. Agschmid May 2015 #21

In the case of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, that is virtually a certainty, especially paid proxies leveymg May 2015 #23

George Bush built a massive BASE in Qatar--it's not like "Clinton" invented that relationship. MADem May 2015 #29

Yup. Agschmid May 2015 #80

People will distract you by saying she was working for Obama at the time... NYC_SKP May 2015 #2

That $165 Billion figure looks impressive, until one subtracts: geek tragedy May 2015 #5

OMG - stop with the facts already! MaggieD May 2015 #11

I hope you don't expect us to believe these repressive regimes are committed to charity. rhett o rick May 2015 #15

All those Middle Eastern regimes okasha May 2015 #89

Why do they donate money to the Foundation? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #96

Possibly because the Foundation is doing okasha May 2015 #99

I doubt that you really believe that these regimes are charitable. It makes much more rhett o rick May 2015 #100

The quid pro quo okasha May 2015 #104

Is that the sound of JEB May 2015 #6

I think Hill's campaign is dying the death of a thousand indiscretions. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #7

+1000 - There is not enough money to defend all of this AND get her message out! TheNutcracker May 2015 #30

Looks like flamebait to me MaggieD May 2015 #9

It's not. It's a serious issue. And flamebait is your forte cali May 2015 #17

LOL - Sanders saying he likes and respects HRC is flamebait? MaggieD May 2015 #18

Oh yeah, she's the "front runner" Jester Messiah May 2015 #22

I can see her.... MaggieD May 2015 #24

It's a personal flaw, I admit. Jester Messiah May 2015 #25

The right wing echo chamber sure does seem to work on... MaggieD May 2015 #26

Ahh... only when Hillary is in the game is "leftist" an epithet on this site. Jester Messiah May 2015 #27

I know you think that, but that's not reality MaggieD May 2015 #61

The right wing needn't bother. Jester Messiah May 2015 #77

no. it was your characterization of duers cali May 2015 #28

LOL - nah, that wasn't it MaggieD May 2015 #37

It's simply what happens when people don't know history. MADem May 2015 #39

As the official historian on DU can you also tell us how much money these A Simple Game May 2015 #65

^^^That right there^^^ BrotherIvan May 2015 #72

No, but I'm sure you can. You probably can tell us how much they'll give in future. MADem May 2015 #75

How much did Senator Sanders take from foreign donors? HILLPAC was set up for A Simple Game May 2015 #81

You're insinuating that money buys influence or access. So what's the diff, here? MADem May 2015 #83

The diff is that Clinton gave the money to Sanders because he already dances to the A Simple Game May 2015 #86

OK--you just made my point. That's not a "diff" it's a similarity. MADem May 2015 #92

You really don't see the diff do you? The diff is that HILLPAC gave a little money to A Simple Game May 2015 #107

You're the one who is INSISTING that money is equal to INFLUENCE. MADem May 2015 #108

Wow, quite a post, you didn't think I would read past the first sentence did you? A Simple Game May 2015 #109

You can read your own posts, I presume. When you repeat the same concept, over and over, MADem May 2015 #110

You were the one to claim Sanders took money from HILLPAC not me. A Simple Game May 2015 #111

I didn't "claim" it--it's a simple fact that everyone who is halfway aware of their relationship MADem May 2015 #112

A cheap date is a gender based insult? Women can't date men? You are the one assigning A Simple Game May 2015 #113

Everyone knows what your meaning was, there. Don't even try to wiggle out of it. MADem May 2015 #114

Seems like corruption to me. nt Agony May 2015 #10

something for something AtomicKitten May 2015 #12

besides money, what else has the GCC inspired the Clinton campaign on I wonder MisterP May 2015 #14

Are we pretending the US wouldn't have done all of those arms deals without the foundation's FSogol May 2015 #16

Apparently we are pretending that.... MaggieD May 2015 #20

Looks like right wing propaganda to me! B Calm May 2015 #32

It sure does.... MaggieD May 2015 #33

Lawrence Lessig doesn't think so, nor do many other liberal pundits and academics cali May 2015 #34

Didn't he clerk for Scalia? MaggieD May 2015 #36

He was a clerk for two conservative judges! Judge Richard Posner and Justice Antonin Scalia. B Calm May 2015 #41

Who knew that Scalia's clerk would be given a "liberal" label when someone likes the stuff he's MADem May 2015 #42

Yes, he did. He's still not a member of the vast right wing conspiracy out to get cali May 2015 #46

He's either part of it or... MaggieD May 2015 #50

Agree. This is a non-story. DURHAM D May 2015 #31

No, they're not solely WH decisions. I suggest reading the articles. cali May 2015 #35

Actually, Congress can also get involved to block any arms sales. Even Jimmy Carter verbalized still_one May 2015 #38

Pretty much, yeah jberryhill May 2015 #40

Whatever it takes to smear HRC MaggieD May 2015 #43

What's pathetic is these right wing posts go un-hidden! B Calm May 2015 #44

But they will hide an HRC supporter MaggieD May 2015 #45

your truthiness again. It was your name calling attack on DUers that got your thread locked cali May 2015 #47

What name did i call anyone? MaggieD May 2015 #52

I believe you made some silly comment about how cali May 2015 #62

Last year the US refused to sell jamzrockz May 2015 #48

Agreed. tammywammy May 2015 #94

Certainly does not appear to be a quid pro quo. salib May 2015 #49

Meh, this is all made up bullshit MaggieD May 2015 #56

Good God....this is TERRIBLE !!!!! nt clarice May 2015 #51

all I can do heaven05 May 2015 #53

When did Lessig become "decidedly left-wing?" MineralMan May 2015 #54

The minute he smeared HRC with BS, apparently MaggieD May 2015 #57

Any port in a storm, I guess. MineralMan May 2015 #88

You sir, are an honorable Sander's MaggieD May 2015 #90

Thanks. If he gets the nomination, I'll campaign hard MineralMan May 2015 #91

Is this worse than what the Kochs, rightwing thinktanks, and Fox are doing? ananda May 2015 #55

Drip, Drip, Drip... SoapBox May 2015 #58

So should DUers advance this BS? MaggieD May 2015 #59

Advance the BS? Some are shovelling on top of the pile already shovelled by the GOP. Fred Sanders May 2015 #68

Hillary Clinton has brought ALL of this upon herself, she's careless and arrogant, a liability. NYC_SKP May 2015 #84

Right wingers don't think repressive right wing regimes are bad Fumesucker May 2015 #60

But they sure know how to play the extreme left MaggieD May 2015 #63

Republicans are eating up these patently ridiculous Clinton Foundation attack/plays for an ally in the extreme left. Fred Sanders May 2015 #74

DU has entered stage 2 of the Democratic primaries MyNameGoesHere May 2015 #64

OMG! How many non-scandals is this now? Once you reach a certain number do the non-scandals Fred Sanders May 2015 #66

The Unifying Benghazi Scandal! FSogol May 2015 #67

Indeed. Maybe there is a Unified Field Theory of Scandals just waiting to be proven regarding the Clintons?? Fred Sanders May 2015 #69

Well don't look now, but they just repeated the same BS in a new thread MaggieD May 2015 #70

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Per their 2013 financials.... ALBliberal May 2015 #73

Graphic: NYC_SKP May 2015 #76

with all due respect ALBliberal May 2015 #85

We agree and, yes, it's complicated. NYC_SKP May 2015 #87

Yikes! thanks? for that! nt ALBliberal May 2015 #93

Here's the thing. Some charitable foundations make grants as a primary function, others do things Bluenorthwest May 2015 #101

We also look at salaries that are drawn from the various organizations. FREDERIC POUST: $464,229/yr NYC_SKP May 2015 #103

I agree that's a large salary ALBliberal May 2015 #105

Who is 'we'? And why won't 'we' address the points I raised? Why is your chart different in every Bluenorthwest May 2015 #106

Compare to Doctors Without Border's actual financial statement as opposed to unsourced pie chart: Bluenorthwest May 2015 #102

And of course Iran, North Korea, and Cuba didn't donate to the Clinton Foundation, bornskeptic May 2015 #78

Gotta choose better links, ones not fueled by RW. Thinkingabout May 2015 #82

K & R L0oniX May 2015 #98