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Matariki

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124. You need to think it through.

Reply to 4th law of robotics (Reply #112)

Thu May 10, 2012, 09:59 PM

May 2012

I've danced at clubs where there are raised platforms - all kinds of people get on them to dance, for all kinds of reasons. Some folks enjoy showing off their dancing, or their outfit, or their looks. Some folks enjoy just being out with their friends and getting their move on.

Your insinuation that a woman who isn't 'attractive' according to some arbitrary standard should just hide herself in fear of being 'judged' shows a lot of insensitivity and sexism.

Hell, here in Seattle I've seen dumpy 50+ year old men dressed nothing but a leather harness and chaps dancing on a club's platform and everybody loved them. They exuded Joie de vivre. And that's their right. They were out having fun and good on them. Same goes for the woman in the article and every other woman who wants to go out with their friends and have a good time.

Women don't exist just to be viewed by men, you know. If you don't know, it's about time you learn.

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‘Plus-Sized’ College Student Claims Discrimination at Bar [View all] TedBronson May 2012 OP

"Size discrimination" shouldn't be pipoman May 2012 #1

I agree... TedBronson May 2012 #2

So leave it to Joe the Bouncer with a 5th grade education trumad May 2012 #3

Even a 5th grader can tell who is attractive and who isn't... TedBronson May 2012 #7

5th graders are good at spotting all sorts of things, MineralMan May 2012 #72

"5th grade education" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #91

OK sorry---3rd grade. trumad May 2012 #92

Double down on that elitism ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #94

There's a picture with the article Capt. Obvious May 2012 #4

I have no comment quinnox May 2012 #5

Hmmm, now why would you post a comment saying that you had no comment? redqueen May 2012 #11

look, I posted that in the middle of the night quinnox May 2012 #20

Oh, brother. hifiguy May 2012 #13

So, what do you think is so funny about Ms. Ramos? obamanut2012 May 2012 #88

She looks kind of mean. Bladian May 2012 #12

The story may have biased you... TedBronson May 2012 #15

Where did you see that? All I can see her saying that she stated, ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #24

No... TedBronson May 2012 #30

So, she should just be a good girl, and go back to the dance floor? ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #32

The point, if any... TedBronson May 2012 #38

I disagree. She is getting many to spend their money elsewhere, and doing it ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #41

Oh really. Zoeisright May 2012 #43

Sorry you think so... TedBronson May 2012 #45

Thank you. This thread reeks. n/t DLevine May 2012 #46

^^This!^^ Amaril May 2012 #48

thank you zoe for calling it. he will keep it up until MIRT steps in. nt seabeyond May 2012 #64

now this thread is becoming more and more evident ted. welcome. 52 posts. and here you are. nt seabeyond May 2012 #61

If she was smart she would TorchTheWitch May 2012 #95

Wow, those young women are there to have a good time. redqueen May 2012 #96

What sexuality? TorchTheWitch May 2012 #100

In a night club, it ain't interpretive dance or ballet or some shit. redqueen May 2012 #103

She just looks pissed off to me, and I don't blame her. bluesbassman May 2012 #25

That's what she looks like to me as well. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #36

Yeah you're right. Bladian May 2012 #65

Are we sure thats not a picture of the bouncer? Erose999 May 2012 #66

She's mad because she was discriminated against Cali_Democrat May 2012 #80

I have been, thank you. nt Bladian May 2012 #85

Maybe she looks angry because she's just been discriminated against and humiliated. PassingFair May 2012 #134

She was actually prevented from dancing for her incorrect use of reflexive pronouns alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #6

That must be what happens when English majors have to work as bouncers. FSogol May 2012 #9

hahaha! Iris May 2012 #17

My biggest pet grammar peeve! Iris May 2012 #16

I love the grammar nazi!! Thanks! Ilsa May 2012 #105

There are, I think, two different reasons for these flawed constructions alcibiades_mystery May 2012 #107

Those are perfect explanations and Ilsa May 2012 #108

alcibiades, you might like to read my article concerning this issue tblue37 May 2012 #126

cops do that and it drives me nuts arely staircase May 2012 #137

I want to SHOOT whomever coined the word 'Plus Size' LynneSin May 2012 #8

with you 100% on that n/t Scout May 2012 #10

I call the 0 and 2 sized women "minus sized" meow2u3 May 2012 #34

i always liked Roseanne's comment.... Scout May 2012 #50

I'm a size 4/6. HappyMe May 2012 #52

I'm a size 0 and 2 depending on the brand TorchTheWitch May 2012 #101

Gee, thanks... a la izquierda May 2012 #131

The svg woman is a size 14... CoffeeCat May 2012 #53

and it doesn't help any of us women Maine-ah May 2012 #67

... HappyMe May 2012 #74

Before ladies size charts got "re-adjusted", plus sizes started at size 18 SoCalDem May 2012 #99

Interesting. MadrasT May 2012 #14

Maybe the real question here is why she and her friends are ok with being used as 'bait' for Iris May 2012 #18

i was going to ask something similar Blue_Tires May 2012 #22

At that age few have caught on to the fact redqueen May 2012 #26

Well, that was what I was actually thinking. MadrasT May 2012 #27

Some girls like to be thought of as attractive... TedBronson May 2012 #33

They're pathetic. "Thought of" Iris May 2012 #39

Glad it worked for you... TedBronson May 2012 #42

Keep it in reality please. ScreamingMeemie May 2012 #47

Wow. Assuming a lot (about me) aren't you? Iris May 2012 #51

Probably... TedBronson May 2012 #54

I lower mine when people suggest it's some natural thing for women to seek validation Iris May 2012 #56

Then we are nice and even... TedBronson May 2012 #57

Come on Teddy--- trumad May 2012 #71

LMAO!!! HangOnKids May 2012 #78

For you and the ever hot wife sharp_stick May 2012 #69

+10 MineralMan May 2012 #70

"smoking hot" Matariki May 2012 #81

Not that I don't agree with your point... Chan790 May 2012 #114

this is pathetic JI7 May 2012 #86

oh Iris, you know "girls" are supposed to care deeply and passionately Scout May 2012 #73

strange some guy gets so upset at the thought of women not caring about hotness JI7 May 2012 #87

as you well know, a woman can be attractive without being on display, but really, seabeyond May 2012 #60

LOL. Sorry, not going to play. n/t MadrasT May 2012 #75

Hey boy, don't worry your little head over stuff like this. Matariki May 2012 #79

"recent frenzy of feminist bashing"??? I thought that was a given here. (Sadly) Iris May 2012 #35

Tearing other women down for not being as adept at seeing through patriarchal BS... redqueen May 2012 #97

oh, hang on. The feminst bashing has reached a thread near you! n/t Iris May 2012 #40

Oh, goody! MadrasT May 2012 #49

yup. nt seabeyond May 2012 #55

Very few "club-aged" men and women have been introduced to these political/philosophical issues stevenleser May 2012 #145

I remember that bar... CoffeeCat May 2012 #63

she should just speak with her dollars and patronize another bar Blue_Tires May 2012 #19

She's doing better than that and good for her. JackRiddler May 2012 #28

You said it. Good move. Matariki May 2012 #82

To be honest, when I first saw this post I thought they were talking about the Legal Bar Taverner May 2012 #21

Me, too. n/t Iris May 2012 #37

If you have to be good looking to dance on the platform then no one in Iowa City could dance there. AngryAmish May 2012 #23

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #29

Hey now... cyberswede May 2012 #31

You've never been to Iowa, have you? shcrane71 May 2012 #90

Not for several weeks. AngryAmish May 2012 #110

Why would she want to? DiverDave May 2012 #44

Most bars are places where shallowness reigns supreme and appearances are all LeftinOH May 2012 #58

Attractiveness has always been favored Spike89 May 2012 #59

And your "life is unfair" speech is relevant how? JackRiddler May 2012 #89

Do ladies-nights at bars offend you as well? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #113

I knew this canard would be your next move. Yawn... JackRiddler May 2012 #120

So besides being snide you didn't actually answer my question 4th law of robotics May 2012 #122

Yes I did, but improving your reading comprehension is not my job. JackRiddler May 2012 #127

No, no you didn't 4th law of robotics May 2012 #132

One would have to boorish not to understand the difference JackRiddler May 2012 #136

Charging certain people more 4th law of robotics May 2012 #139

This isn't about variable treatment. JackRiddler May 2012 #140

" This isn't about variable treatment." 4th law of robotics May 2012 #141

So you're saying you figure the bar employees were drunk and aggressive to the patrons? JackRiddler May 2012 #142

" So you're saying you figure the bar employees were drunk and aggressive to the patrons?" 4th law of robotics May 2012 #144

Don't worry.. sendero May 2012 #106

I wonder if Danny Devito makes a good James Bond in that world. n/t hughee99 May 2012 #125

Stupid business decision treestar May 2012 #62

I'll bet business picks up as a result of the limited publicity... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #135

So she wanted to dance on a platform in a bar, but was unprepared to be judged by her looks? 4th law of robotics May 2012 #68

Oh haha, women never do anything simply to enjoy themselves. Matariki May 2012 #84

And if they do, plenty of other women will call them idiots and fools for it. nt redqueen May 2012 #98

So she wanted to dance on a raised platform in a bar in front of a crowd 4th law of robotics May 2012 #109

Where are you getting 'stop looking at me' from? redqueen May 2012 #111

From this response: 4th law of robotics May 2012 #112

She probably wanted to stay with her friends. nt redqueen May 2012 #115

Well . . . tough 4th law of robotics May 2012 #116

It is evidence of how the world is so vastly unfair to men, and how easy women really have it, redqueen May 2012 #118

Ah so this isn't about this individual case, it's about the entire class/privilege structure 4th law of robotics May 2012 #121

while its not exactly rosa parks on the bus arely staircase May 2012 #138

You need to think it through. Matariki May 2012 #124

In this case the raised stage was for the benefit of the customers 4th law of robotics May 2012 #133

Ted is enjoying his PPRoni pizza, see ya n/t Scout May 2012 #76

Thank God! What A Sanctimonious Ass HangOnKids May 2012 #77

thank you. nt seabeyond May 2012 #83

FWIW, they removed the platform - it didn't meet code. cyberswede May 2012 #93

There are weight-ist all around. Man, France rules the roost on that front. n/t vaberella May 2012 #102

Weight phobia kills. BlueIris May 2012 #104

maybe the platform had a weight limit.... crazyjoe May 2012 #117

She waited till other young women had left the stage, then asked again. nt redqueen May 2012 #119

Wow tawadi May 2012 #123

A private bar doesn't have the right to say who can or can't dance on a bar? Ter May 2012 #128

These threads really bring out some classy people on DU... (nt) Posteritatis May 2012 #129

Classy and very pungent about it. JackRiddler May 2012 #143

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #130

I love to dance and have a good time. Problem is, that is not what trendy bars & clubs are about. stevenleser May 2012 #146