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DonCoquixote

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133. Oh I doubt the point was missed

Tue May 26, 2015, 11:06 PM

May 2015

simply ignored as usual. Some people here (not naming names) are the perfect example of people who were all for Liberalism when it meant it benefited them, but when it had to benefit others, they got angry, and they allowed the split between working class and liberals to occur, the same mess that allows the GOP to mow down every inch of FDRs new deal.

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The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men � and things are getting worse [View all] Katashi_itto May 2015 OP

Gender differences in suicide. merrily May 2015 #1

This is an important subject. Bonobo May 2015 #2

I think in part because girls are trained in forced passivity magical thyme May 2015 #4

Totally agree! I think both sexes are forced into...Templates? Katashi_itto May 2015 #5

Templates seems like an apt word. nt Bonobo May 2015 #6

So, how do we change men's template? KitSileya May 2015 #104

Got me, I've no idea. Katashi_itto May 2015 #107

Why not ask men who are generally happy and have a fairly optimistic, positive worldview? Warren DeMontague May 2015 #145

Radical notion indeed. KitSileya May 2015 #156

the question had to do with men who were unhappy, subjectively, presumably with their own Warren DeMontague May 2015 #170

What about single mothers? treestar May 2015 #16

You're right. Male suicide is not an important subject. nt Bonobo May 2015 #19

Yeah I mean it's so much more important than female suicide treestar May 2015 #20

That's how gaspee May 2015 #28

the article doesn't even give a percentage treestar May 2015 #46

I just wonder why they even need help hfojvt May 2015 #86

Oh my god - are you for real? Wow. closeupready May 2015 #32

I agree. Until men stop trying to dominate and subjugate women... Liberal_Stalwart71 May 2015 #164

Such a vile and vicious attitude, blinded by ideology. snagglepuss May 2015 #22

Men commit suicide more IN EVERY COUNTRY. Bonobo May 2015 #24

Yeah, agreed. I think THAT one is another for my ignore list. closeupready May 2015 #33

Are you sure you are responding to the right post? snagglepuss May 2015 #37

I know, I only responded to you because Bonobo May 2015 #136

You are right: Attack, diminish, attack, diminish -- all the time. Eleanors38 May 2015 #84

Yes, they do. polly7 May 2015 #90

Men are privileged treestar May 2015 #25

Instead of hijacking someone elses thread, create your own GummyBearz May 2015 #30

Once you bring that into play treestar May 2015 #47

Of course female suicide is just as important, but apparently it isn't as common. dawg May 2015 #35

They make more attempts treestar May 2015 #48

Why do you think men are so much more likely to choose methods that insure immediate death ... dawg May 2015 #53

it seems from the reasons given treestar May 2015 #69

I agree that feminism would solve most of this. dawg May 2015 #72

my mom committed suicide. her first attempt pills. second that was successful was garage. seabeyond May 2015 #81

I'm so sorry that happened. dawg May 2015 #94

suicide is a whole different world and thinking, for sure. nt seabeyond May 2015 #96

And that privilege manifests as a suicide rate twice as high... lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #57

But how does it manifest itself in so many other areas? treestar May 2015 #71

"one thing where men have it worse" = survival. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #73

wow you are sad Snow Leopard May 2015 #114

Just Wow Katashi_itto May 2015 #45

Men's suicide = "Problems" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #50

That's complete nonsense. Oneironaut May 2015 #83

"This is trying to claim sympathy for the privileged." NaturalHigh May 2015 #122

Amazing how issues that affect men.. MicaelS May 2015 #131

Lose the privilege dogma romanic May 2015 #151

Not just grown men. Three of my childhood friends offspring committed suicide. All boys. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #41

feminists are on board. we, i, have been talking about this for a lot of years now. seabeyond May 2015 #54

I lost my stepdad and my uncle and a friend. bravenak May 2015 #118

the biggest thing stopping men from getting help is themselves Skittles May 2015 #121

I know that myself and everyone I know (male) are stuck in a sort Katashi_itto May 2015 #3

And you think women aren't? gaspee May 2015 #27

I agree. See post #5 Katashi_itto May 2015 #49

Being a man in this society is... conflicted. davidthegnome May 2015 #7

Great post. dawg May 2015 #10

Beautiful post, David. Bonobo May 2015 #15

This should be shared...very poignant, and needed, thank you for sharing... AuntPatsy May 2015 #23

Wonderful post David. Compassion has helped me deal with a lot in life, and not just compassion liberal_at_heart May 2015 #29

Please consider making this an OP! demmiblue May 2015 #36

gotta stop right there hfojvt May 2015 #92

The intent was not to describe them at any length. davidthegnome May 2015 #163

+1 Pooka Fey May 2015 #143

This is a very real thing. dawg May 2015 #8

"Why Men Die Younger Than Women: The 'Guys Are Fragile' Thesis" TexasProgresive May 2015 #9

We don't live THAT much longer treestar May 2015 #17

What you say is true but have you ever visted an "old folks" home TexasProgresive May 2015 #18

At the turn of the last century, men and women had roughly equal lifespans (about 47 years). lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #44

I see according to the CIA's World Fact Book TexasProgresive May 2015 #63

Good data. Thanks. Eleanors38 May 2015 #87

life expectancy at birth hfojvt May 2015 #93

"They oughta" lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #106

actually here is some other data hfojvt May 2015 #111

For a long time 1939 May 2015 #100

About as common as widows were. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #108

men are physically stronger but women are biologically stronger Skittles May 2015 #137

"physically stronger vs. biologically stronger" Bonobo May 2015 #139

we outlive y'all Skittles May 2015 #140

Interesting. Thank you for the link. nt Bonobo May 2015 #141

Thanks, Skittles, that's the point I was trying to make. TexasProgresive May 2015 #152

Aha! my tongue in check theory is nearer to the truth than I assumed. TexasProgresive May 2015 #153

K and R NaturalHigh May 2015 #11

This is why Dudeism, while intentionally a joke religion deutsey May 2015 #12

+1 n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #51

Margaret Sanger likely played a part in that life expectancy improvement, as well. MADem May 2015 #65

Truth pscot May 2015 #85

I agree with this philosophy, with an important caveat... Eleanors38 May 2015 #89

The dude abides Pooka Fey May 2015 #144

The Patriarchy hurts men, too. Brickbat May 2015 #13

Exactly. dawg May 2015 #34

Our culture lies to us in a variety of ways. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #14

So dysfunctional men turn their anger outwards on women/children/gays or themselves. KittyWampus May 2015 #21

As do dysfunctional women, the problem as I see it is that men took the reigns early on, AuntPatsy May 2015 #26

"Everything is problematic" Prism May 2015 #31

Social perfectionism??!! ananda May 2015 #38

I'm very supportive of men's group that educate on toxic masculinities ismnotwasm May 2015 #39

So, men's groups in which we discuss how much we suck... are okay? This would reduce suicide? lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #42

"So, men's groups in which we discuss how much we suck... are okay?" NaturalHigh May 2015 #59

You either. ismnotwasm May 2015 #76

See the last line of Post #80. NaturalHigh May 2015 #82

Sweet Jesus. ismnotwasm May 2015 #75

You posted your touching family story, and it was quite good. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #80

Wasn't talking to you darlin' ismnotwasm May 2015 #91

I don't see what ismnotwasm said as saying men suck--rather, that men aren't contained fishwax May 2015 #95

Men should be able to adopt a male template of their own choosing lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #105

I agree that they should fishwax May 2015 #113

I strongly believe that kids need positive male role models lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #123

i agree on both counts fishwax May 2015 #125

Why can't men just be allowed to be people? leftstreet May 2015 #119

Because boys and girls mature by modeling adult behavior. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #124

When I became disabled UglyGreed May 2015 #40

My husband has MS ismnotwasm May 2015 #43

Thank you for your reply UglyGreed May 2015 #56

You are very welcome! ismnotwasm May 2015 #78

Your husband is fortunate to have a strong partner who rejects traditional gender norms. dawg May 2015 #58

This is so true ismnotwasm May 2015 #77

This probably doesn't help, but I'd like to follow your path whatthehey May 2015 #88

Thank you for your reply UglyGreed May 2015 #166

hey Skittles May 2015 #138

Possibly it was my good fortune to be rejected as a child and as a teen by that man-cult. hunter May 2015 #52

raising two boys, two nephews, growning up with two brothers, we have created a hell seabeyond May 2015 #55

I think most thinking men would admit that women still have it far worse than men ... dawg May 2015 #60

my 17 yr old bbq burgers for his guy friends, with my oldest son home from university. i was talking seabeyond May 2015 #62

It's always hard to know a person just from what they post on the internet, but ... dawg May 2015 #68

lol.... we think so. but then i feel the same about them. thank you. nt seabeyond May 2015 #70

I have to agree with Dawg. You seem like a fantastic mother closeupready May 2015 #169

Men are also far more likely than women to take out other people before committing suicide. Arugula Latte May 2015 #61

Certainly a mixed bag of issues that contribute The2ndWheel May 2015 #64

Thanks for posting Major Nikon May 2015 #66

+100 n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #74

The Pain of Modern Life polly7 May 2015 #67

"Why do these �pressures of life� exist at all?" The2ndWheel May 2015 #79

My Dad shot himself four years ago. polly7 May 2015 #97

Mine did the same three years ago. cwydro May 2015 #98

I'm sorry, cwydro. polly7 May 2015 #99

I know how you feel. cwydro May 2015 #101

Oh, I so wish my dad had left one. polly7 May 2015 #102

Glad you have those memories. cwydro May 2015 #103

this thread is depressing for more reasons than one DonCoquixote May 2015 #109

Brilliantly said! Katashi_itto May 2015 #110

Dealing with this again this month. There's a perception of failure. Prism May 2015 #112

While not impossible, it does get tougher to change direction as you get older The2ndWheel May 2015 #120

Not if your happiness is a priority over some arbitrary goal, it isn't. bettyellen May 2015 #127

Happiness is as arbitrary as anything else The2ndWheel May 2015 #150

Leading a life of misery to impress others is not a valid option. bettyellen May 2015 #158

kicked Blue_Tires May 2015 #115

One should have more appreciation for gender benders and other gender non-conformists AZ Progressive May 2015 #116

I think thats where the MRAs..the real twisted ones spring from. Katashi_itto May 2015 #117

Insightful. Extrinsic vs Intrinsic lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #126

You totally missed the part where this "Intrisic value" view is bullshit? bettyellen May 2015 #128

Oh I doubt the point was missed DonCoquixote May 2015 #133

More women are plunged into poverty by divorce and/or lack of child support more than bettyellen May 2015 #129

That article is fucking clueless about women.... bettyellen May 2015 #130

what needs to be added DonCoquixote May 2015 #134

The article was intended to offer insight into the more self-damaging aspects of male identity. Bonobo May 2015 #135

Yes, because only women are victims, and men are all perpetrators... AZ Progressive May 2015 #142

Stop making shit up. Seriously. The article claimed the opposite bettyellen May 2015 #159

This article isn't about women davidn3600 May 2015 #161

It refer to women- how our jobs are not important because they are still "feminine" if they lose bettyellen May 2015 #167

The world does not revolve around you. closeupready May 2015 #162

The world revolves around women as much as men. The authors brought up this stupid idea bettyellen May 2015 #168

Great article Katashi_itto, lots of good information to think about. polly7 May 2015 #132

Article says in Western countries "more women attempt suicide than men." betsuni May 2015 #146

That's pretty bad if it said that. Can you paste the quote here? Bonobo May 2015 #148

Edit: I should know not to reply to this person. Not of interest. betsuni May 2015 #149

This paragraph? Bonobo May 2015 #154

Mass consumerism has it's down sides. We can't all be successful and drive a Lexus. Rex May 2015 #147

"Social Perfectionism" LWolf May 2015 #155

Human culture is as dominant and pervasive on the planet The2ndWheel May 2015 #157

Maybe. LWolf May 2015 #160

Human beings have a great track record when The2ndWheel May 2015 #165