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In reply to the discussion: The male suicides: Social perfectionism is killing men — and things are getting worse [View all]KitSileya
(4,035 posts)Seeing as I am not a man, I am not going to start laying down a strategy for how men can change their own culture. I have demands of men when it comes to their treatment of women and other genders, and I am definitely vocal about things I think they do that hurt women, but the problems men create for other men are out of my purview. Men committing suicide because they invest their whole selves in their jobs and can't handle unemployment, or because their fathers won't take an active interest in their children's upbringing, or because of the stigma men place on men who need medical help - well, let's just say that if women are to be involved, it'll have to be as second chair. The same goes for changing the masculine ideal away from gun ownership, so that men no longer have the opportunity to be more successful than women when they do attempt suicide.
Women weren't given the right to vote, they fought for it. Shelters for victims of domestic violence, Title IX, workplace opportunities, all the improvements to women's situation were worked hard for. Men could do worse than to look to women to figure out how to change their own culture. Albeit with one huge difference - men will have to acknowledge that the disadvantages some men have are created by men's own culture and other men, not by an external enemy. That is what MRAs cannot or will not face, and hence their ineffectiveness in ameliorating men's situation.