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130. why "try" single payer with that Congress

Wed May 27, 2015, 11:19 AM

May 2015

He would just have looked stupid. And that's what would have been said about him.

Bernie could "try" for 2 minutes with his likely Congress, I guess. And if he kept repeating he wanted single payer every day rather than work out a deal for some progress, like public option, with that Congress, he'd get nowhere.

But his adorers, no better off as to health care payments, would be going on about how great he is for talking. Then, it wouldn't just be "hot air." It'd be "using the bully pulpit."

Some people believe that a POTUS saying something over and over again will convince Congress. Gee I guess that's what Boner thinks when he and Congress repeal the ACA over and over again. I guess he thinks that eventually that will convince Obama. Maybe the 100000th time will do it.

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What if Bernie Sanders became President of the United States of America? [View all] MannyGoldstein May 2015 OP

No point in surmising what would happen. MohRokTah May 2015 #1

.. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #4

You know what's so funny? You say that repeatedly, morningfog May 2015 #6

And Bernie keeps gaining points in the polls -none May 2015 #131

Ha! NYC_SKP May 2015 #7

I'm sorry. MannyGoldstein May 2015 #10

Wishful thinking AgingAmerican May 2015 #33

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Yes! I love Obama, and love Bernie! nt babylonsister May 2015 #59

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My how... authoritative! Scootaloo May 2015 #69

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I have too. bvar22 May 2015 #149

You saying something will never happen is a great endorsment! Rex May 2015 #91

I've lived a long time and seen a lot of things happen I would never have dreamed possible. JDPriestly May 2015 #101

Some advice for you. bvar22 May 2015 #147

My main issue is nukes RobertEarl May 2015 #2

He's running for Prime Minister of Japan? Or dictator of the world? FrodosPet May 2015 #9

Shhhhhhhhh! Can't let the dreamers wake up to reality! MohRokTah May 2015 #14

Japan is beholden to the US RobertEarl May 2015 #17

Care to point out the nuclear energy plank in his speech yesterday? I must have missed it brooklynite May 2015 #128

What do you dream of? AgingAmerican May 2015 #35

Ruling in Hell is better than serving in Heaven Fumesucker May 2015 #102

I remember being told that very same thing back in 2007! Sounds so .... historic. And I remember sabrina 1 May 2015 #48

Reality is that the wealthy are bleeding the lower classes dry and some want that to continue. rhett o rick May 2015 #56

great sentiment. and when Bernie has an obtructionist\fillibustering congress, what will you dionysus May 2015 #86

You think Hillary would not face the same Congress? Or, as some of us fear, would she actually djean111 May 2015 #105

Doesn't that apply to all candidates? That isn't a reason not to fight against rhett o rick May 2015 #127

Bingo kenfrequed May 2015 #159

maybe i'm just jaded, but we could have Jesus as a president, and the GOP would fillibuster him, and dionysus May 2015 #167

Dems will never regain congress? And the repub congress would treat other Dem presidents nicer? arcane1 May 2015 #151

He's dreaming - but Prez Bernie can at least order a decommissioning of all nuclear energy in the US eloydude May 2015 #22

No. I am not dreaming RobertEarl May 2015 #26

And the Republican Congress can impeach him okasha May 2015 #30

More defeatism AgingAmerican May 2015 #36

Japan will allow it RobertEarl May 2015 #38

Acid? Ayahuasca? 106-degree fever? okasha May 2015 #44

Batshit insane is denying the power of radiation RobertEarl May 2015 #81

That may be a fair assessment. okasha May 2015 #83

100 years ago, people died of other stuff before they were old enough to get cancer FrodosPet May 2015 #107

+1 Agschmid May 2015 #113

So what you are saying is "be afraid, be very afraid, and vote for HRC."?? rhett o rick May 2015 #57

Oh lord! where did she say that? hrmjustin May 2015 #62

You tell me what you think her point was telling us how he might get impeached. nm rhett o rick May 2015 #63

Her point was that there are laws and that our presidents can not just force Japan to hrmjustin May 2015 #65

Precisely. okasha May 2015 #74

Agreed. hrmjustin May 2015 #77

+1 zappaman May 2015 #87

+1 Agschmid May 2015 #115

I'm saying get down off the pink cloud. okasha May 2015 #71

Nope. Agschmid May 2015 #114

Now you want Bernie to send troops into Japan? sheshe2 May 2015 #31

Oh? hrmjustin May 2015 #54

yes, Bernie will invade Japan over the objection of it's leaders. suuuuure. dionysus May 2015 #88

Vote for Bernie because he'll invade Japan! Cali_Democrat May 2015 #94

"Sanders: Tough on Defense" dionysus May 2015 #166

Where do some of you come up with : Invade?` RobertEarl May 2015 #145

Yay! Invade Japan! Agschmid May 2015 #112

No, the president cannot command anything of another sovereign country. cwydro May 2015 #121

robertearl questionseverything May 2015 #160

I tend to agree RobertEarl May 2015 #161

He can easily create millions of jobs? FrodosPet May 2015 #76

Look at it this way. RichVRichV May 2015 #89

Exactly! peacebird May 2015 #104

it's sad when someone wants a left wing dictator... and actually thinks Bernie would BE that kind of dionysus May 2015 #85

He can't do this. Agschmid May 2015 #20

Lol! zappaman May 2015 #79

when fukishima blows and a nuke turbine blade lands miles away in 3 meters or radioactive hail... dionysus May 2015 #90

This whole subthread is glorious Cali_Democrat May 2015 #93

Dictator of the world, not just the US treestar May 2015 #117

who will control Congress and by what margin onenote May 2015 #3

By that logic RobertEarl May 2015 #18

that logic is called basic civics BainsBane May 2015 #97

Sadly, this. ^^^ We need more (D)s in Congress... Beartracks May 2015 #24

We need to do like the Republicans started doing back in the early 1970's -none May 2015 #135

That's an easy solution - run progressives believing in Bernie's policies eloydude May 2015 #25

Bully pulpit AgingAmerican May 2015 #37

And New Democrat philosophies sure messed up Congress for a long time. merrily May 2015 #39

That is true, which is why we are also going to be supporting the candidates the people want. Did it sabrina 1 May 2015 #50

The Democrats would make HUGE gains, and possibly control both houses Martin Eden May 2015 #158

Unlikely. And not by a sufficient margin. onenote May 2015 #163

As unlikely as Sanders becoming president? Martin Eden May 2015 #165

My Magic 8 Ball says: procon May 2015 #5

Not much until we flip Congress and Senate. Starry Messenger May 2015 #8

Depends on if he brought the house and senate with him. hrmjustin May 2015 #11

He would need a big Senate and House swing to pass his 90% tax rate proposal. (nt) Nye Bevan May 2015 #12

Bernie only answered it was something he wouldn't not do. Gregorian May 2015 #27

Wait... Are you for Elizabeth or Bernie? onehandle May 2015 #13

Either Elizabeth or Bernie would be highly acceptable. nt MannyGoldstein May 2015 #15

Warren is not running. zappaman May 2015 #80

Perhaps she'll join the ticket... polichick May 2015 #99

People would be dancing in the street IMHO. eom Cleita May 2015 #16

I think it is possible he might be the American Allende... First Speaker May 2015 #19

Which shows how far we have descended into corporate, totalitarian Cleita May 2015 #139

Well, people that oppose Bernie don't really oppose HIM or his POLICIES... Maedhros May 2015 #153

I have but one word for those naysayers who think he'd butt heads with an intransigent Congress RufusTFirefly May 2015 #21

Forgiven MannyGoldstein May 2015 #46

Great! Let's shake on it! RufusTFirefly May 2015 #58

I'm not shaking with Harpo MannyGoldstein May 2015 #60

Whaaaa? RufusTFirefly May 2015 #67

There are ways to achieve goals Gregorian May 2015 #23

Because you care. Oye, the possibilities! Thanks! nt babylonsister May 2015 #61

Can you say : REVOLUTIONARY RobertEarl May 2015 #28

Unfortunately, the average voter won't brooklynite May 2015 #129

That Democratic socialist? I'd try like anything to convince Canada to allow me to emigrate. merrily May 2015 #29

He won't. beaglelover May 2015 #32

Thank you for your insightful analysis. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #154

Everyone here would be vetching about his broken promises frazzled May 2015 #34

"It'll never work. We'll all be killed!" RufusTFirefly May 2015 #41

You are spewing the 'Third Way�' 'perfect' meme AgingAmerican May 2015 #42

Good effing lord frazzled May 2015 #45

It does treestar May 2015 #119

No, we have not. You assume the complaints have no validity. Marr May 2015 #125

why "try" single payer with that Congress treestar May 2015 #130

Because *trying* is how you get things. Marr May 2015 #146

+1000000000000 treestar May 2015 #118

Huge K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT May 2015 #49

... MannyGoldstein May 2015 #51

I would LOVE IT! BUT, what he could do depends totally on wether he gts a DEM Congress! napi21 May 2015 #52

What if he ran and failed? Tommy2Tone May 2015 #64

Then he fails. RichVRichV May 2015 #92

being president is tough on a body... chillfactor May 2015 #66

Even assuming Sen Sanders is a prime and fit 75 year old FrodosPet May 2015 #73

Obama's not looking so bad. Maedhros May 2015 #155

Stupid post. Agschmid May 2015 #116

Within a few months DUers would be saying he betrayed us. pnwmom May 2015 #68

The betrayal comes in where a leader BEGINS negotiations. polichick May 2015 #98

Many here will say it as soon as he caves, which he will eventually have to, pnwmom May 2015 #100

The point is, he betrays the people by starting where he does... polichick May 2015 #123

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ treestar May 2015 #109

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Ponies & unicorns and milke and honey.... Historic NY May 2015 #72

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I am ready olddots May 2015 #78

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whoever is the next president will face the same constitutional limitations as the current one BainsBane May 2015 #95

Israel / Palestine alone will sink him with many people FrodosPet May 2015 #108

I suck, and I'm stupid MannyGoldstein May 2015 #110

Word! treestar May 2015 #120

Bernie has been working with both sides of the aisle for the past Cleita May 2015 #141

Can you provide me some info on those victories? BainsBane May 2015 #142

ffs! All you want to know is as close as Wikipedia. Cleita May 2015 #143

I've already looked BainsBane May 2015 #148

Your posts are so incredibly dreary. Maedhros May 2015 #157

No one is forcing you BainsBane May 2015 #164

That would be great. n/t Hugin May 2015 #96

I will LOL at all the Hillary supporters who said there is no way he can win. Kalidurga May 2015 #103

Oh, dear, Manny! You seem to have inadvertently enabled the stupid-assed meme of the day - djean111 May 2015 #106

The main thing we will get is a President who will fight as hard for the people Autumn May 2015 #111

We could finally begin the climb out of our neo-dark age. LWolf May 2015 #122

I think we'd see another big realignment of the two parties. Marr May 2015 #124

a lot would depend on who his VP would be Bucky May 2015 #126

I think Warren would be his VP if he got nominated... cascadiance May 2015 #132

Yes, a clean sweep of the more liberal New England states is the key to the white house Bucky May 2015 #133

Hmm... So he wouldn't pick up many women voters by taking Warren I guess... cascadiance May 2015 #134

I'm personally a big fan of lobby groups and their influence on government. NCTraveler May 2015 #136

K&R yuiyoshida May 2015 #137

If Bernie became President, would DLC/Third Way be on the way out? Martin Eden May 2015 #138

DLC was, and its descendants are, to the right of what is the true political middle. Cleita May 2015 #140

That's why I put "middle" in quotation marks Martin Eden May 2015 #144

It means I should have been playing the lottery BootinUp May 2015 #150

Yes, but the hate applies to all Dems HassleCat May 2015 #152