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In reply to the discussion: Repressive Regimes Donated to Clinton Foundation, Got Federal Approval for Arms Deals [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)Except when it isn't. Let me try to figure out your convoluted logic, here.
So, if HILLARY gives money to Sanders, she's not trying to influence him....because there's NO DAYLIGHT BETWEEN THEM on matters of policy. Look--either they are on the same page, or they're not. Now you're insisting that they're on the same page--well, to read the pages of DU, you sure could have fooled me!
The only people I see who are claiming that they are the Bobsey Twins are the Socialist Workers, who are furious at Sanders for becoming a "Democrat!"
But if anyone else gives money to a foundation with separate auditors and a very small administrative footprint (most of the money is "impact" cash--goes directly to the needy, not for offices or staff) that means they don't give a shit about clean water, or education, or wiping out diseases...it just means THEY are trying to influence someone named Clinton. It couldn't POSSIBLY mean that there's no daylight between the giver and the receiver on issues of charity, that they want to eliminate starvation, dysentery, disease, and do it in a way that marshals the greatest number of experts and agencies at the lowest cost to attack a problem from multiple levels. Nooooooo....they don't care about that at all, they just want to INFLUENCE her....otherwise, they'd rather throw a little money here, a little money there, and piss into the wind and get nothing done.
Yeah. Sure!
If you're such a wired in New York resident, you shouldn't have made that crappy carpetbagger argument in the first place--unless you're hating on "carpetbaggers" like RFK, Bernie Sanders (NY-VT), Howard Dean (NY-VT), etc., etc., and so forth. Hell, that Moynihan "jerk"
that preceded HRC, you remember him, he was the one who was BEGGING her to run for his seat when he was planning on retiring, and who introduced her to the political establishment in the state --he had the nerve to be born in Oklahoma! Stone him!!! Rudy Giuliani tried to use that carpetbagger argument on HRC before he dropped out of the race--as I recall, it didn't go over too well.
The Clinton Foundation, and the former POTUS Clinton's offices, are IN NEW YORK. It's quite clear that her entire family had, as their goal, to establish residency in the state and make it their home base. They didn't WANT to go "back" to Arkansas--a place where Hillary Clinton ended up ONLY because that's where her HUSBAND's career took her. Sheesh--you keep sticking your foot in it!! Now you're asking why the little woman didn't toddle on back "home" where she 'belonged?" Here's a real CLUE for you--the Clintons did not own a home in Arkansas. So why would they go back there? Because her HUSBAND was born there, that determines HER destiny? As WJC famously noted, they spent most of their lives living in "public housing." By your logic, they should have just found a place in Dupont Circle and stayed in DC....since you're the gatekeeper on who is "allowed" to come to "your" state and run for office in NY.
New York has a history of welcoming new politicians, because they don't want some asshole who is just going to sit on their best intentions and do nothing, they seek OUT movers and shakers who will bring energy and a high profile to the state. As a New York resident, you should have known that. Instead, you lowered yourself to name-calling. You're the one with "prejudices" against "carpetbaggers"--YOU brought it up, not me.
And for someone who claims to know "all about Bernie" you're shy on that score, too. It could be argued, since in his early years in VT after his divorce he bounced back and forth between NY and VT, working in a NY hospital, that he was less "sincere" about his VT affiliations, especially after he lost a slew of elections in his early years. Of course, I won't make that charge, because I'm not going to call the guy a carpetbagger, like you're doing to Clinton. I suppose you would have preferred she NOT live with her husband in the White House and establish an "appropriate" period of residency to suit you? Please. If your advice is anything like your analysis, she'd do well to disregard it.
Your argument has fallen on its ass. Enjoy that lunch.