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BainsBane

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125. I think it would help if self-proclaimed leftists quit targeting ordinary Democrats
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:40 PM
May 2015

and the subaltern in particular as the enemy. There is a clear sense that anyone who disagrees with a select few, or who has different priorities, is "Third Way," engaged in corporate propaganda. I even saw one person insist that corporations had sent women and people of color into the Democratic party to subvert it from its true message, which evidently is to promote the interests of the white middle class only. People claim to resent corporate influence, but spend all of their time at war with other Democrats, usually less privileged than themselves. Many here have made the enemy other Democrats, the working poor, women, and people of color. They claim to do so in the name of anti-corporatism (notably, never a critique of capital itself but only their own resentment that they no longer sit atop the capitalist world order as they think is their birthright.), but in fact they make clear that their enemy is the people, those far less fortunate that them who have issues far more central to worry about than which political elite gets what cabinet positions. My point is that those people who believe that only their way is legitimate, that insult and deligimate huge swaths of the population as not true Democrats, as allied with corporations, are waging war on the subaltern. Their speak from a position of class and race entitlement and treat those who dare to believe their rights matter as inferior. They think they are entitled to decide what real black people want, and when people of color tell them their concerns, they dismiss them out of hands. The irony of these people of financial means, of race, class and sometimes gender privilege attacking anyone who focuses on issues related to their lives rather than forsaking all that for the interests of the self-entitled members of the white upper-middle class as on the side of Goldman Sachs and the 1 percent is the height of conceit. It's the kind of bourgeois elitism that is only possible when one comes from considerable privilege, which makes the arrogance of accusing those far less financially well off and subject to daily discrimination as being corporate sell outs shows a shocking level of arrogance.


They are not leftists because their ideology is one that wages war on the subaltern. It is not coincidental that they target the same people the GOP does. Their project is one of class and race entitlement, which seeks to restore their own privilege and refuse to as much as consider that anyone outside their select circle of self-entitled blowhards could possibly have a concern that matters. We see it in this thread. People of color need to adopt their agenda. They say that's what matters. What others think is meaningless. This group of posters on DU who think of themselves as the only true Democrats are a minority demographic, not only within the party but within the nation. As much as they clearly wish it were otherwise, they only place they are the majority is on this website. They can continue to engage in vitriol against Democratic voters; they can dismiss the concerns of women and people of color by insisting "corporations" have planted them in poor communities throughout America to pretend to be Democrats and contaminate the party; they can defend the Klan to make their illicit case against Democratic politicians and Democratic voters, including those from groups targeted by the Klan, but their politics is one destined for failure. Just like the GOP, theirs is demographic that is dying out, and I say that God for that because those self-entitled elitists are no better and no different from the bankers they claim to resent. They are every bit as contemptuous of the needs of the many as any mega billionaire.

Why would I join with people who insist I have no right to articulate my own interests? Why would I join with people who treat me as less than shit on the bottom of their shoe? Why would I join with people who dismiss and target for removal from the site the handful of remaining posters of color and have already been successful in using the jury system to rid the site of many feminists? Why would I join with people who think the only thing that matters is some fixation they have with the machinations of the political elite and express nothing but contempt for the majority of Americans who care about their civil rights and their basic sustenance? There is no basis for common ground because we do not share the same goals. Their goal is to restore the party and the country to a time of "real Democrats" like FDR and JFK, a time period when the majority of Americans were denied basic civil rights and lived in crippling poverty. They seek to regain what they see as their rightful place atop the capitalist world order. They don't challenge capital or inequality itself but rather merely lament the recent decline of their class. For those of us who care about something other than the plight of the white middle and upper-middle class, there is no common ground to find. There is such a great distance between what they claim to care about and how they treat and talk about the subaltern that it's clear to me that that theirs is a narrow class project. I don't embrace their agenda of elitism, and I will not join in treating the poor and disenfranchised like shit because they don't go along with their bourgeois agenda. I build alliances with people who share my values for social and economic justice and equal rights. There are a few here who share those values, but there are also some very active, self-entitled posters who make clear they have nothing but contempt for the majority of the nation. I find them foul, reactionary to their very core, and their values and actions repulse me. Leftism is not rule of the few by the few, which is exactly what they seek to impose. It is all of us having a voice and a say in our political and social agenda. People who cannot recognize something so basic, who work to exclude the majority from the body politic, advance nothing but their own elitist intra-group interests. Even if I wanted to find common cause with such people, they allow no space for it since their entire political ethos is based on exclusion.

Here's a crib note version: if one's sole or primary concern is where power in the Democratic party lies, he/she must lead a pretty charmed life. Most people think about things related to their daily lives--how to get a job, put food on the table, make sure their kids get a half-decent education and aren't shot by police, or trying to keep themselves safe from domestic and sexual violence. The privilege that enables people to prioritize intra-party politics above concerns of daily life doesn't make you a better person or a better Democrat. It just means you're damn fortunate, and really, you ought to realize that rather than demonizing people who see politics differently.







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If a few more of us developed the capacity to say "yes & yes", both/and, etc. 99th_Monkey May 2015 #1
I think they're absolutely intertwined TDale313 May 2015 #2
White people, often men, need to start listening harder Starry Messenger May 2015 #3
solutions that would help white people? Enrique May 2015 #4
Whatever it is that is favored over the reforms that would focus on non-whites, women, etc. Starry Messenger May 2015 #5
great idea. list some reforms specifically and how they will benefit all people, non white people, msongs May 2015 #6
Bringing back voting rights expansion would help immeasurably. Starry Messenger May 2015 #8
Appropriate more $'s for voting equipment in Urban area's One_Life_To_Give May 2015 #108
The 2013 repeal of Section 4 of the VRA made it much worse. Starry Messenger May 2015 #118
Thank you. nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #119
Well gosh. Starry Messenger May 2015 #9
thanks Enrique May 2015 #11
economic reforms, for instance, creating jobs through rebuilding infrastructure cali May 2015 #14
your opinion is not a wedge because of your gender hfojvt May 2015 #90
If you honestly feel insulted by that... YoungDemCA May 2015 #93
How did you get "shut up and sit down" out of "listen"? Starry Messenger May 2015 #105
it's an honest paraphrase hfojvt May 2015 #109
Presumably, in the future, you'll know what "being a liar" is Starry Messenger May 2015 #112
er, okay hfojvt May 2015 #114
I didn't think that's what the poster meant leftstreet May 2015 #142
Getting rid of free trade deals is a good start AgingAmerican May 2015 #47
they are concerned about being shot in the back by the police, not free trade. part of marketing. seabeyond May 2015 #53
Free trade deals AgingAmerican May 2015 #62
and STILL, the blacks are focused on cops shooting them in the back. not even a thought from you. seabeyond May 2015 #65
You keep going back to the symptoms AgingAmerican May 2015 #74
Black people, like other people, can focus on more than one thing at a time. Comrade Grumpy May 2015 #145
can we sit at the table too? seeing death is a HUGE issue. i am not the one making it an either, or. seabeyond May 2015 #147
No, I've tried and was sent to my room, Why because I don't support Hillary . n/t orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #176
Does that move the needle for LGBT people who can be fired in several states for being gay? Starry Messenger May 2015 #63
Wresting power back from the oligarchy helps everyone AgingAmerican May 2015 #110
"When we the people hold the power, civil rights can be properly addressed." Starry Messenger May 2015 #115
yes, blacks and other minorities did not benefit from the programs to help people get housing JI7 May 2015 #127
And the 2008 recession hit blacks and minorities the hardest. Starry Messenger May 2015 #132
+1000 !!!! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #177
In other words BainsBane May 2015 #106
You can try to make it about me AgingAmerican May 2015 #111
The point isn't TPP BainsBane May 2015 #130
Education is the key AgingAmerican May 2015 #169
I wish I had said that, like that . It's true the misery is needless orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #159
+10000. This. YoungDemCA May 2015 #75
1. Stop pretending they are separate, zero sum topics. Bonobo May 2015 #7
Any economically populist platform that doesn't have feminism and civil rights as its focus YoungDemCA May 2015 #71
I think it's a completely manufactured division that simply doesn't reflect reality. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #10
Social justice doesn't cost the 0.01% much, economic justice does cost them Fumesucker May 2015 #13
Hammer, meet nail. LuvNewcastle May 2015 #17
You need to support that assertion. Recently the largest expansion of Social Security benefits Bluenorthwest May 2015 #18
It's easy to see that one party uses social issues to distract from economic ones Fumesucker May 2015 #20
Respond to what I posted, do not tell me to accept your crap unsupported and undiscussed. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #24
From where I sit you come across as rude priveleged and arrogant Fumesucker May 2015 #73
A personal attack, you still have not spoken about the facts I raised, now you are attacking me Bluenorthwest May 2015 #120
So what does it say about people who claim to care about economic issues that they don't even Bluenorthwest May 2015 #33
Wedge issues are for other people YoungDemCA May 2015 #92
What expansion was that? BuelahWitch May 2015 #139
I am unsure, but I think they could be talking about this. PowerToThePeople May 2015 #150
Thanks for the explanation BuelahWitch May 2015 #153
My rights aren't something you can barter away./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #38
Then don't let the Republicans and the Democrats do that Fumesucker May 2015 #77
You are correct. And your question is good. "Why is it so difficult to accept that the Democrats GoneFishin May 2015 #68
Actually social justice costs them a whole lot AgingAmerican May 2015 #51
Oh for fuck's sake YoungDemCA May 2015 #89
unfortunately that is a false division hfojvt May 2015 #95
^^^^^^This is the correct answer.^^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #15
Great post, great answer Pooka Fey May 2015 #16
It comes from 'cross party politics' not Democratic Party politics. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #26
+1. n/t Jefferson23 May 2015 #28
Pushed by 'Third Way®' people AgingAmerican May 2015 #50
+1,000 LondonReign2 May 2015 #57
I agree, and I think we need to think about who this benefits. TBF May 2015 #60
well said hfojvt May 2015 #121
Yes. It's silly, transparent, completely unsupportable, and painfully embarrassing. Zorra May 2015 #126
actually there are more than a couple PowerToThePeople May 2015 #12
It would help if people didn't dismiss issues of racism and sexism gollygee May 2015 #19
The way they carry on is the antithesis of how Bernie carries himself, this is a fact. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #23
I don't see that. far from it. i see Bernie supporters stressing over and over again his excellent cali May 2015 #31
I said "not all Bernie Sanders supporters" gollygee May 2015 #35
Dismiss? Bullshit, what you are seeing is well deserved pushback at dismissing all other areas as TheKentuckian May 2015 #184
For years at DU, we've seen a group of people gollygee May 2015 #187
The OP's that use combative terminology, posted repeatedly by the same handful of straight, white Bluenorthwest May 2015 #21
Where did this divison even come from? romanic May 2015 #22
It is owned and operated by a handful of DU posters, all of whom bait minorities in various ways Bluenorthwest May 2015 #27
For me, personally, things like using the fucking Pope as a mouthpiece for economic causes is hugely PeaceNikki May 2015 #25
the hypocrisy burns. Hillary spends fifteen years in a close relationship cali May 2015 #34
Why do you keep making this into a discussion about Hillary? PeaceNikki May 2015 #36
Regarding the Pope, its a matter of tone, not substance. bklyncowgirl May 2015 #101
Thank you for your patronizing reply on how *I* could be more productive in the face of my rights PeaceNikki May 2015 #138
If a reasonably progressive person does not win the presidency we will all lose. bklyncowgirl May 2015 #171
I mean, I know I'm influential and shit, PeaceNikki May 2015 #172
I think if we kept in mind that the Democratic party is made up of all kinds of Democrats justiceischeap May 2015 #29
That's where I am. Starry Messenger May 2015 #30
I agree. This race is about SCOTUS more than anything else. PeaceNikki May 2015 #32
Yes, for me it is climate change. I think the next decade will be the nail in the coffin. raouldukelives May 2015 #40
They won't listen, they want their straight white male-dominated "economic populism" YoungDemCA May 2015 #81
The comfortably well off and relatively secure squealing like stuck pigs because there is finally TheKentuckian May 2015 #37
The comfortably well off and relatively secure? YoungDemCA May 2015 #79
Well yes, that does in a broad way describe the Third Wayers LondonReign2 May 2015 #154
Sounds like you like to throw out some lame, know nothing last refuge, got nothing bullshit. TheKentuckian May 2015 #183
is it 100% or GTFO? alc May 2015 #39
It's a divide on a message board, not one that seems to exist much on the ground. N/T Chathamization May 2015 #41
It isn't real, it's a disguise. The real issue is identity politics; Bernie is a white guy. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #42
Oh, the poor white men. Lyric May 2015 #43
... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #46
interesting. there is a lot of story in this song. tentacles hitting a lot of directions. nt seabeyond May 2015 #52
Exhibit #1 n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #102
you might want to start by looking at the replies, dismissing, insulting, ridiculing members that seabeyond May 2015 #44
Social issues ARE economic and vice versa. alarimer May 2015 #45
this is where you are wrong. many minorities have pointed out the flaw in this argument. seabeyond May 2015 #55
This one should cut every single du-er JustAnotherGen May 2015 #113
second. as a sander supporter i called the demographics. middle/upper middle, white, man, educated seabeyond May 2015 #48
and... this is only the beginning. there is so much more. OR. we can pretend i am the boogey man seabeyond May 2015 #49
Was that post in a GD thread? JustAnotherGen May 2015 #56
and he reiterated to me personally in replies, that it is a silly issue to discuss, one way or seabeyond May 2015 #58
Oooh boy JustAnotherGen May 2015 #72
The Republicans have effectively take control of local and state governments seabeyond May 2015 #78
This is why I think I'm going to run for Town Council JustAnotherGen May 2015 #85
i have another year. then i can jump in. the last four years, i have learned a lot. what we need. seabeyond May 2015 #87
Ahh - I've been pretty blunt IRL JustAnotherGen May 2015 #88
I cannot WAIT to knock on doors for you, sister! bettyellen May 2015 #173
I agree except the 'privileged college students' part AgingAmerican May 2015 #61
you did not fulling understand what i am saying. it is not ALL of the college students jumping on seabeyond May 2015 #64
My anxiety about focusing strictly on the collegiate bound JustAnotherGen May 2015 #84
so many issues. and yes, to all you say. seabeyond May 2015 #91
Agree totally AgingAmerican May 2015 #94
Who called you a name? NaturalHigh May 2015 #100
I think - nothing can or should be done about the divide(?) JustAnotherGen May 2015 #54
here is another angle. every time the posters tell us social is connected to economic, seabeyond May 2015 #59
Name one country with no economic justice AgingAmerican May 2015 #67
again, you did not discuss the concern of the oppressed minority in my post, only your concern of seabeyond May 2015 #70
There are no countries without economic justice AgingAmerican May 2015 #76
all about economic justice. i got that. i get that is the argument. i have listened to sander seabeyond May 2015 #80
"do not ask me for a link. it is right here." NaturalHigh May 2015 #86
It's all tied in together, you cannot separate them AgingAmerican May 2015 #96
i am not cutting off my nose to spite shit. fiscally? sanders is all about me, taking care of me. seabeyond May 2015 #98
Sanders is all about you? AgingAmerican May 2015 #103
look at his demographics and get back to me. seabeyond May 2015 #104
So lack of economic opportunity helps blacks/people of color? AgingAmerican May 2015 #107
No, but several countries have neared economic justice because they first had social justice KitSileya May 2015 #116
+1 YoungDemCA May 2015 #161
People need to stop being jerks Prism May 2015 #66
Well put. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #82
nice post n/t fishwax May 2015 #140
It's easy to focus on money when your basic civil and human rights aren't under constant threat YoungDemCA May 2015 #69
Who benefits by division? The 1%, of course. guillaumeb May 2015 #83
They are both necessary. kentuck May 2015 #97
will you acknowledge a minority can have economic comfort and still experience social injustice? nt seabeyond May 2015 #99
And could we acknowledge that we can have social justice and economic injustice? kentuck May 2015 #117
i have repeatedly stated and acknowledge we can have both. hence supporting sanders. the struggle is seabeyond May 2015 #122
I think that is only a temporary illusion... kentuck May 2015 #128
and again. of course we need both. hence supporting sanders WHILE asking to sit at table for social seabeyond May 2015 #152
You have as much right to sit at the table as anyone else. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #181
If Matthew Robinson, PhD is correct in defining social justice as... LanternWaste May 2015 #123
Good point. kentuck May 2015 #134
Tangentially, rather than closely connected. LanternWaste May 2015 #141
The notion that "social" and "economics" are NOT the same comes from capitalism. McCamy Taylor May 2015 #124
I think it would help if self-proclaimed leftists quit targeting ordinary Democrats BainsBane May 2015 #125
*mic drop* Starry Messenger May 2015 #129
As you can see BainsBane May 2015 #131
You should write that up and submit it somewhere. Starry Messenger May 2015 #133
It is beautiful. And I agree completely. freshwest Jun 2015 #188
I wish I could recommend your post. KMOD May 2015 #135
I feel like I need a cigarette now. sufrommich May 2015 #137
That is perfection ismnotwasm May 2015 #146
Oh hell yeah Bobbie Jo May 2015 #155
This is one of the best posts I've ever seen here YoungDemCA May 2015 #158
You all are very kind. nt BainsBane May 2015 #165
You are dangerous and I love you! Thanks again. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #189
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Daily life like a roof over our heads, food on the table, decent neighborhood, keeping the lights on TheKentuckian May 2015 #185
Just finding this now. An amazing articulation kjones Jul 2015 #190
Well I think people enjoy feeling superior to other people el_bryanto May 2015 #136
Straight white men will need to acknowledge their privledged status. nt ismnotwasm May 2015 #143
I want to start by saying I think social issues we want solved are VERY important too! cascadiance May 2015 #144
+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #157
How about just embrace both? Marr May 2015 #148
BOOM. +1,000 LondonReign2 May 2015 #156
Who is saying the reverse? YoungDemCA May 2015 #160
Who PowerToThePeople May 2015 #162
Because centrists are similar to republicans on economic issues, and can't Zorra May 2015 #175
I for one do not think they can be disconnected from each other. jwirr May 2015 #149
can a minority have economic comfort and still experience social injustice? nt seabeyond May 2015 #151
They are not mutually exclusive AgingAmerican May 2015 #170
There is no divide, social and economic issues are a Siamese twin sharing a single heart. Dont call me Shirley May 2015 #163
Step 1. Ban the outrage trolls, Step 2. There is no step 2. Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2015 #164
Listen. n/t lovemydog May 2015 #166
We wouldn't be arguing about this dichotomy if it was Elizabeth Warren vs Hillary Clinton. lumberjack_jeff May 2015 #167
i disagree. warren is running on an even more narrow agenda. it will appeal to only the same seabeyond May 2015 #168
Hells no. Warren's history of GOP supports leaves her bettyellen May 2015 #174
Waiting for all the links to previous attacks on Warren for being Bonobo May 2015 #178
waiting for when she declared she was jumping in the primary. duh seabeyond May 2015 #179
If you read my user name this is how I feel RunInCircles May 2015 #180
Right wing economic policies must be purged from the Democratic party AgingAmerican May 2015 #186
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