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In reply to the discussion: What needs to happen to heal DU's unnecessary "social issues vs. economic issues" divide? [View all]PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)150. I am unsure, but I think they could be talking about this.
http://www.ssa.gov/people/same-sexcouples/
On June 26, 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is unconstitutional. As a result, Social Security is no longer prevented from recognizing same-sex marriages in determining entitlement to Social Security benefits or eligibility for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments.
We can also recognize some non-marital legal same-sex relationships (such as civil unions and domestic partnerships) as marriages for purposes of determining entitlement to Social Security and Medicare benefits.
On June 26, 2013, the Supreme Court ruled that Section 3 of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) is unconstitutional. As a result, Social Security is no longer prevented from recognizing same-sex marriages in determining entitlement to Social Security benefits or eligibility for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) payments.
We can also recognize some non-marital legal same-sex relationships (such as civil unions and domestic partnerships) as marriages for purposes of determining entitlement to Social Security and Medicare benefits.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_of_Marriage_Act
The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L. 104199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C) is a United States federal law that allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages granted under the laws of other states. Until Section 3 of the Act was ruled unconstitutional in 2013, DOMA, in conjunction with other statutes, had barred same-sex married couples from being recognized as "spouses" for purposes of federal laws, effectively barring them from receiving federal marriage benefits. DOMA's passage did not prevent individual states from recognizing same-sex marriage, but it imposed constraints on the benefits received by all legally married same-sex couples.
Initially introduced in May 1996, DOMA passed both houses of Congress by large, veto-proof majorities and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in September 1996. By defining "spouse" and its related terms to signify a heterosexual couple in a recognized marriage, Section 3 codified non-recognition of same-sex marriages for all federal purposes, including insurance benefits for government employees, social security survivors' benefits, immigration, bankruptcy, and the filing of joint tax returns, as well as excluding same-sex spouses from the scope of laws protecting families of federal officers (18 U. S. C. §115), laws evaluating financial aid eligibility, and federal ethics laws applicable to opposite-sex spouses.[1]:2324
Clinton along with key legislators later advocated for DOMA's repeal. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had concluded Section 3 was unconstitutional and that although the administration would continue to enforce the law while it existed, it would no longer defend the law in court. In United States v. Windsor (2013), the U.S. Supreme Court declared Section 3 of DOMA unconstitutional under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.[1]
The Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) (Pub.L. 104199, 110 Stat. 2419, enacted September 21, 1996, 1 U.S.C. § 7 and 28 U.S.C. § 1738C) is a United States federal law that allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages granted under the laws of other states. Until Section 3 of the Act was ruled unconstitutional in 2013, DOMA, in conjunction with other statutes, had barred same-sex married couples from being recognized as "spouses" for purposes of federal laws, effectively barring them from receiving federal marriage benefits. DOMA's passage did not prevent individual states from recognizing same-sex marriage, but it imposed constraints on the benefits received by all legally married same-sex couples.
Initially introduced in May 1996, DOMA passed both houses of Congress by large, veto-proof majorities and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton in September 1996. By defining "spouse" and its related terms to signify a heterosexual couple in a recognized marriage, Section 3 codified non-recognition of same-sex marriages for all federal purposes, including insurance benefits for government employees, social security survivors' benefits, immigration, bankruptcy, and the filing of joint tax returns, as well as excluding same-sex spouses from the scope of laws protecting families of federal officers (18 U. S. C. §115), laws evaluating financial aid eligibility, and federal ethics laws applicable to opposite-sex spouses.[1]:2324
Clinton along with key legislators later advocated for DOMA's repeal. The Obama administration announced in 2011 that it had concluded Section 3 was unconstitutional and that although the administration would continue to enforce the law while it existed, it would no longer defend the law in court. In United States v. Windsor (2013), the U.S. Supreme Court declared Section 3 of DOMA unconstitutional under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment.[1]
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What needs to happen to heal DU's unnecessary "social issues vs. economic issues" divide? [View all]
Ken Burch
May 2015
OP
If a few more of us developed the capacity to say "yes & yes", both/and, etc.
99th_Monkey
May 2015
#1
Whatever it is that is favored over the reforms that would focus on non-whites, women, etc.
Starry Messenger
May 2015
#5
great idea. list some reforms specifically and how they will benefit all people, non white people,
msongs
May 2015
#6
they are concerned about being shot in the back by the police, not free trade. part of marketing.
seabeyond
May 2015
#53
and STILL, the blacks are focused on cops shooting them in the back. not even a thought from you.
seabeyond
May 2015
#65
Black people, like other people, can focus on more than one thing at a time.
Comrade Grumpy
May 2015
#145
can we sit at the table too? seeing death is a HUGE issue. i am not the one making it an either, or.
seabeyond
May 2015
#147
No, I've tried and was sent to my room, Why because I don't support Hillary . n/t
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#176
Does that move the needle for LGBT people who can be fired in several states for being gay?
Starry Messenger
May 2015
#63
"When we the people hold the power, civil rights can be properly addressed."
Starry Messenger
May 2015
#115
yes, blacks and other minorities did not benefit from the programs to help people get housing
JI7
May 2015
#127
I wish I had said that, like that . It's true the misery is needless
orpupilofnature57
May 2015
#159
Any economically populist platform that doesn't have feminism and civil rights as its focus
YoungDemCA
May 2015
#71
I think it's a completely manufactured division that simply doesn't reflect reality.
Warren DeMontague
May 2015
#10
You need to support that assertion. Recently the largest expansion of Social Security benefits
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#18
It's easy to see that one party uses social issues to distract from economic ones
Fumesucker
May 2015
#20
Respond to what I posted, do not tell me to accept your crap unsupported and undiscussed.
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#24
A personal attack, you still have not spoken about the facts I raised, now you are attacking me
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#120
So what does it say about people who claim to care about economic issues that they don't even
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#33
You are correct. And your question is good. "Why is it so difficult to accept that the Democrats
GoneFishin
May 2015
#68
Yes. It's silly, transparent, completely unsupportable, and painfully embarrassing.
Zorra
May 2015
#126
The way they carry on is the antithesis of how Bernie carries himself, this is a fact.
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#23
I don't see that. far from it. i see Bernie supporters stressing over and over again his excellent
cali
May 2015
#31
Dismiss? Bullshit, what you are seeing is well deserved pushback at dismissing all other areas as
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#184
The OP's that use combative terminology, posted repeatedly by the same handful of straight, white
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#21
It is owned and operated by a handful of DU posters, all of whom bait minorities in various ways
Bluenorthwest
May 2015
#27
For me, personally, things like using the fucking Pope as a mouthpiece for economic causes is hugely
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#25
Thank you for your patronizing reply on how *I* could be more productive in the face of my rights
PeaceNikki
May 2015
#138
If a reasonably progressive person does not win the presidency we will all lose.
bklyncowgirl
May 2015
#171
I think if we kept in mind that the Democratic party is made up of all kinds of Democrats
justiceischeap
May 2015
#29
Yes, for me it is climate change. I think the next decade will be the nail in the coffin.
raouldukelives
May 2015
#40
They won't listen, they want their straight white male-dominated "economic populism"
YoungDemCA
May 2015
#81
The comfortably well off and relatively secure squealing like stuck pigs because there is finally
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#37
Sounds like you like to throw out some lame, know nothing last refuge, got nothing bullshit.
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#183
It's a divide on a message board, not one that seems to exist much on the ground. N/T
Chathamization
May 2015
#41
It isn't real, it's a disguise. The real issue is identity politics; Bernie is a white guy.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#42
interesting. there is a lot of story in this song. tentacles hitting a lot of directions. nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#52
you might want to start by looking at the replies, dismissing, insulting, ridiculing members that
seabeyond
May 2015
#44
this is where you are wrong. many minorities have pointed out the flaw in this argument.
seabeyond
May 2015
#55
second. as a sander supporter i called the demographics. middle/upper middle, white, man, educated
seabeyond
May 2015
#48
and... this is only the beginning. there is so much more. OR. we can pretend i am the boogey man
seabeyond
May 2015
#49
and he reiterated to me personally in replies, that it is a silly issue to discuss, one way or
seabeyond
May 2015
#58
i have another year. then i can jump in. the last four years, i have learned a lot. what we need.
seabeyond
May 2015
#87
you did not fulling understand what i am saying. it is not ALL of the college students jumping on
seabeyond
May 2015
#64
here is another angle. every time the posters tell us social is connected to economic,
seabeyond
May 2015
#59
again, you did not discuss the concern of the oppressed minority in my post, only your concern of
seabeyond
May 2015
#70
all about economic justice. i got that. i get that is the argument. i have listened to sander
seabeyond
May 2015
#80
i am not cutting off my nose to spite shit. fiscally? sanders is all about me, taking care of me.
seabeyond
May 2015
#98
No, but several countries have neared economic justice because they first had social justice
KitSileya
May 2015
#116
It's easy to focus on money when your basic civil and human rights aren't under constant threat
YoungDemCA
May 2015
#69
will you acknowledge a minority can have economic comfort and still experience social injustice? nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#99
And could we acknowledge that we can have social justice and economic injustice?
kentuck
May 2015
#117
i have repeatedly stated and acknowledge we can have both. hence supporting sanders. the struggle is
seabeyond
May 2015
#122
and again. of course we need both. hence supporting sanders WHILE asking to sit at table for social
seabeyond
May 2015
#152
The notion that "social" and "economics" are NOT the same comes from capitalism.
McCamy Taylor
May 2015
#124
I think it would help if self-proclaimed leftists quit targeting ordinary Democrats
BainsBane
May 2015
#125
Daily life like a roof over our heads, food on the table, decent neighborhood, keeping the lights on
TheKentuckian
May 2015
#185
I want to start by saying I think social issues we want solved are VERY important too!
cascadiance
May 2015
#144
can a minority have economic comfort and still experience social injustice? nt
seabeyond
May 2015
#151
There is no divide, social and economic issues are a Siamese twin sharing a single heart.
Dont call me Shirley
May 2015
#163
We wouldn't be arguing about this dichotomy if it was Elizabeth Warren vs Hillary Clinton.
lumberjack_jeff
May 2015
#167
i disagree. warren is running on an even more narrow agenda. it will appeal to only the same
seabeyond
May 2015
#168