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ClarkJonathanKent

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23. I guess you guys really have nothing to worry about..

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Wed May 27, 2015, 05:46 PM

May 2015

because you seem to think ideas don't win elections, money does. Hillary will have more money to spend, so Bernie is fated to lose. If he wins the primary, then your premise is false. I guess you guys don't really need to spend any effort trying to convince people then, huh?

The interesting thing about that statement is it implies Bernie has better ideas.

Other interesting things about it are that it is shameful and inaccurate. Ideas can win an election, they just need to be sold well by someone who believes them. Most Dems that take the stage try so hard to be centrist that they end up being milquetoast or frustratingly vague. I don't think Bernie will have that problem. He will also have no trouble winning over "women and minorities" because the GOP always does an excellent job of driving them away.

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A quick question for those that say Bernie can't win... [View all] ClarkJonathanKent May 2015 OP

The GOP candidate will be Kasich, Bush lll or Rubio. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #1

OMG they will thoroughly kick Hillary Rodham Clinton's butt. We need to do damage control right now! NYC_SKP May 2015 #59

I have a better chance of running through Hell In a gasoline suit than those ass clowns. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #61

I don't want to lose, therefore I don't want to run someone with so many negatives. Let's bail now! NYC_SKP May 2015 #64

I don't like to be trolled... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #65

D'oh! OilemFirchen May 2015 #2

Oh man, I love that pic. FSogol May 2015 #97

He can't win against any of the GOP frontrunners. DanTex May 2015 #3

Romney had a lot of money.. frylock May 2015 #21

Didn't he out-spend Obama in 2012? arcane1 May 2015 #27

And so did Obama. And so will Hillary. DanTex May 2015 #40

According to a 2010 poll, 55% of likely voters believed Obama was a socialist and the country was merrily May 2015 #33

How are Bernie's poll numbers looking? DanTex May 2015 #39

"But there is a guarantee that Bernie would lose." frylock May 2015 #42

Umm, His polls, his socialism, his lack of appeal outside the Democratic base, his inability to DanTex May 2015 #45

He just announced; his polling will go up.. frylock May 2015 #48

Like Kucinich's polling went up when he announced in 2008? brooklynite May 2015 #53

HIS lack of charisma? LOL! merrily May 2015 #54

Yes, lack of charisma. You don't really think an angry old man with crazy hair DanTex May 2015 #73

I love to notice which parts of my posts a DUer ignores. Tells me a lot about whether merrily May 2015 #78

Nope. No guaranty that Hillary will win and no guaranty that Bernie will lose. merrily May 2015 #51

Of course there is. Not that Hillary will win, but that Bernie will lose. DanTex May 2015 #72

plus his age - that and "socialist" will be major campaign points DrDan May 2015 #55

If we're being ageist, Hillary is all of six years younger. Big whoop.On other issues, see Reply 51. merrily May 2015 #62

not being ageist - just facing the reality of campaign issues that are likely to be used DrDan May 2015 #66

I doubt the six years between Bernie and Hillary is going to be a deciding factor for any voter who merrily May 2015 #69

so you really don't think it will be brought up as an issue . . .. DrDan May 2015 #74

Didn't say that, but it's as much an issue for Hillary. You keep ignoring that only 6 years divides merrily May 2015 #75

and I was just introducing one further campaign point to potentially be used against Bernie DrDan May 2015 #85

Nonsense Scootaloo May 2015 #70

It's not nonsense, it's just reality. DanTex May 2015 #79

Yeah, it is nonsense. Sorry man Scootaloo May 2015 #91

I guess we'll see. DanTex May 2015 #92

Cuz you say so AgingAmerican May 2015 #71

I think this notion doesn't account for a more populist America that I believe exists today,... cascadiance May 2015 #86

That's been going on for years. DanTex May 2015 #89

And countries like Greece and Spain have "thrown out the BUMS" lately, cascadiance May 2015 #94

That's not the only factor playing into Sanders' electability. NuclearDem May 2015 #4

And as shallow as it is, he just doesn't "look presidential". WillowTree May 2015 #12

Neither did Abraham Lincoln Caretha May 2015 #90

Abraham Lincoln didn't have to run for President on TV. Today, it matters. WillowTree May 2015 #95

No, he describes himself as a Democratic Socialist. See merrily May 2015 #68

.. NuclearDem May 2015 #83

... merrily May 2015 #88

IMO, it will be Pataki/Walker vs Bernie but Pataki/Carly vs Hillary. CK_John May 2015 #5

dafuq NuclearDem May 2015 #8

His predictions are always like that. bravenak May 2015 #81

They said the same thing about Obama eight years ago. NYC_SKP May 2015 #6

I didn't. MohRokTah May 2015 #10

I did. At that time 840high May 2015 #29

I admired Hillary, but had a personal connection to Obama. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #84

+ 1000 !!! orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #11

No. He was a serious candidate with a strong organization and lots of money hack89 May 2015 #14

Why is Sanders not considered a "serious candidate"? frylock May 2015 #43

I consider him a serious candidate hack89 May 2015 #56

Don't worry about why people with incentive to say he can't win are saying he can't win. merrily May 2015 #102

This is true Joe the Revelator May 2015 #96

Sanders is not Obama and 2016 isn't 2008. NuclearDem May 2015 #15

But Hillary is still Hillary, and she has a lot of baggage, fair or not peacebird May 2015 #17

Still doesn't make the Obama-Sanders comparison valid. NuclearDem May 2015 #18

I don't think anyone says that. The point is that underdog status isn't a disqualifier this early on arcane1 May 2015 #32

But it isn't a comparison of Obama and Sanders. It's a comparison of yesterday's defeatists to Marr May 2015 #38

boom frylock May 2015 #44

The comparison is still invalid. NuclearDem May 2015 #49

1) Was black 2) Had a funny name 3) Had no real political record Marr May 2015 #52

1) Was young and charismatic NuclearDem May 2015 #58

+1 merrily May 2015 #103

I didn't. Starry Messenger May 2015 #26

The unknown black guy with Saddam's middle name, whose last name rhymes w/Osama? arcane1 May 2015 #31

I don't know who "they" are, but I was a strong Obama supporter at this time in 2007. DanTex May 2015 #41

Obama has a million times the charisma as Bernie treestar May 2015 #46

Not to mention that he got black folks that hadn't voted in 20 years to not only vote but round up Number23 May 2015 #50

Just my thinking I have no crystal ball upaloopa May 2015 #7

What does that even mean? RichVRichV May 2015 #24

It means that you are infatuated with ideas upaloopa May 2015 #76

$$$$$$$ will be the GOP nominee MohRokTah May 2015 #9

By that logic, $$$$$$$ will be the Dem nominee too. bunnies May 2015 #16

Did we support Citizens United decision? upaloopa May 2015 #19

I didnt support it. bunnies May 2015 #20

Very sad. 840high May 2015 #30

I didn't make nor did I support the rules under which elections must be conducted. MohRokTah May 2015 #80

And President Romney along with Governor Fiorina are proof that money is what wins elections. frylock May 2015 #22

Exactly. Another boogeyman. arcane1 May 2015 #34

Money doesn't win elections, but money is a starting point. brooklynite May 2015 #57

Dems had $1,072,000,00 in 2012, Republicans had $992,500,000. MohRokTah May 2015 #82

So what happens when Bernie runs out of upaloopa May 2015 #13

Sanders has donors. Not owners. arcane1 May 2015 #35

I guess you guys really have nothing to worry about.. ClarkJonathanKent May 2015 #23

That's what I find so funny in these threads. RichVRichV May 2015 #25

Alright, seriously, enough with the stupid fucking imagined animosity. NuclearDem May 2015 #63

+ a zillion leftofcool May 2015 #67

Look, I'm an 80's baby. Starry Messenger May 2015 #28

I was thinking more of 1984 where Mondale only won Minnesota and Dc. FSogol May 2015 #36

Me either. That map prompted Dems to start running as economic conservatives n/t arcane1 May 2015 #37

Take that up with the conservative Democrats that voted for Reagan. frylock May 2015 #47

Who knows which clown they will nominate! hrmjustin May 2015 #60

At the beginning I thought he couldn't fadedrose May 2015 #77

That's 4 questions GusBob May 2015 #87

I think he can beat many of the Rethugs. I don't think he will beat Hillary. pnwmom May 2015 #93

I like Bernie, but I will go ahead and say he cannot win the general, period Godhumor May 2015 #98

I think he'll beat any of them. LWolf May 2015 #99

I wouldnt say can't win... but much less likely to win than Hillary. DCBob May 2015 #100

Bernie has to prove that he WILL BEAT any GOP opponent. JoePhilly May 2015 #101