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markpkessinger

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194. I look at it like this: it doesn't matter how young or old a candidate is . . .

Reply to Joe the Revelator (Original post)

Wed May 27, 2015, 09:10 PM

May 2015

. . . there are never any guarantees that any elected president will survive and/or remain unimpaired throughout his or her term. Barack Obama could have died of a stroke or a heart attack or a brain aneurysm the day after he took office (thankfully he didn't). Or a young, charismatic President can be gunned down by an assassin's bullet in Texas. Some people remain very much mentally capable even into their 90s. Some get Alzheimer's in their mid-50s. There are simply no guarantees -- ever. If a President Sanders were doing a decent job, and still felt up to running again, and voters were willing to elect him, then why the hell not? There is a really disturbing kind of ageism that seems to underlie your question. Very disturbing indeed.

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Just for conversations sake, lets say 75 year old Sanders wins the 2016 Election... [View all] Joe the Revelator May 2015 OP

I don't know, but I will say this Cali_Democrat May 2015 #1

Are you seriously implying that Bernie would choose a "Sarah Palin" type as VP? djean111 May 2015 #3

No. Cali_Democrat May 2015 #4

Well, then, I am totally confident that Bernie will pick his VP with an eye to djean111 May 2015 #6

Yes and winning the GE. Agschmid May 2015 #54

How about Hillary? She's all of six years younger than Bernie. merrily May 2015 #205

Bernie's VP will be loyal to his agenda, we can be sure. Unlike the rest. TheNutcracker May 2015 #127

I'd argue that many recent picks would have been loyal to the top of the ticket Cali_Democrat May 2015 #138

No. Agschmid May 2015 #5

I think Julian Castro is THE Veep pick on the Dem side. MohRokTah May 2015 #22

I still think if someone like him were to announce, the nomination could be ripe for the picking.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #27

What a strange comment. nt enlightenment May 2015 #71

Not when you realize it is coming from a Bernie basher LondonReign2 May 2015 #166

Ah. Makes more sense. enlightenment May 2015 #167

Why? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #78

I agree with you. Julian would be a very good pick for our nominee. jwirr May 2015 #141

How people here view him as a VP pick... NCTraveler May 2015 #178

And McCain was 4ish years younger than Bernie in 2008. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #9

+1 Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #12

As long as he's of sound mind, and capable of doing the job eloydude May 2015 #2

Who tells the President he's of sound mind? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #7

Friends of mine attended a meeting with Reagan, in the White House, the subject was djean111 May 2015 #10

I wonder what was worse for the country: hifiguy May 2015 #17

lol! ALBliberal May 2015 #129

Careful. You can't ponder too deeply about the possibilites re: Bernie Sanders. I found that out.. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #8

Yeah I figure it was slippery ground, but it certainly should be talked about, just as Hillary's age Joe the Revelator May 2015 #11

Well, I thought the lack of ethnic diversity at his big announcement was worth talking about.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #24

Your concern is duly noted. Thank you for playing. peacebird May 2015 #26

Like I said...this won't help -------->>>>>>>> Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #44

They don't want you to have concern.. but, they want to question African Americans who support Cha May 2015 #144

I agree with BainsBane..."Bernie's greatest liability is his supporters". Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #154

A lot Cha May 2015 #188

Ain't it the truth? It's like circa 2000 all over again, and we know what happened there. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #189

YOUR ARROWS ARE POINTING TO THE RIGHT!!!!!!!!!! BUSTED!!!!! nt. NCTraveler May 2015 #179

It's Vermont, hifiguy May 2015 #36

And "chances are" the optics have just sealed Bernie's fate. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #46

Nonsense -- everyone knows that is the town he was mayor of and where he karynnj May 2015 #107

+1 eloydude May 2015 #119

Hear hear! Art_from_Ark May 2015 #142

Bullshit HERVEPA May 2015 #135

That point can't be made often enough. Orrex May 2015 #152

Same with Clinton. jeff47 May 2015 #159

I haven't seen anyone make that claim about Clinton, though. Orrex May 2015 #161

You don't need to be well-liked by the party. The party will be turning out no matter what. jeff47 May 2015 #162

Well, that's a load of shit from start to finish. Orrex May 2015 #165

If you don't want to talk about loyalty oaths, don't ask for them. jeff47 May 2015 #169

I asked for no loyalty oath. Orrex May 2015 #170

If you truly hadn't, I would not have struck a nerve. jeff47 May 2015 #171

If you are emblematic of Sanders' supporters, he's doomed indeed. Orrex May 2015 #172

And again you're back to lying about me. jeff47 May 2015 #193

If the primary were held tomorrow between Sanders & Clinton, who would get your vote? Orrex May 2015 #195

Neither. jeff47 May 2015 #198

Why are you obsessed with that particular straw man? Orrex May 2015 #204

Why are you obsessed with my vote? jeff47 May 2015 #209

I ask about your vote to try to give your nonsense some kind of context. Orrex May 2015 #212

Well then, we're lost... Chan790 May 2015 #173

^^^^ THIS ^^^^ Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #181

Hmmm, catnhatnh May 2015 #53

He announced in Vermont, which was 96.7% white according to the last census. tblue37 May 2015 #64

Vermont is not that ethnically diverse a state. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #65

Vermont is mostly Caucasian right? I think he will appeal to and draw diverse crowds as he campaigns ALBliberal May 2015 #134

Don't count on it. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #155

I maintain his popularity will grow among all groups. ALBliberal May 2015 #157

Perhaps, but there's no built in loyalty to Bernie Sanders in minority communities. It might suck, Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #177

That's a fairly derogatory view of one of the most ALBliberal May 2015 #208

Thanks for posting that article, Tarheel! lunamagica May 2015 #174

Reality bites, don't it? Attempting to silence anyone who's not a Bernie fanboi won't work with me. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #175

Right on. In the real world Hillary has an enoumous lead lunamagica May 2015 #182

I'm sorry you got a hide for pointing the lack of diversity since it's true. they are so sensitive Cha May 2015 #143

Shhhh. They haven't figured out yet that the country is not Vermont. No shade intended, but.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #153

So Sanders needed to bus in some minorities? jeff47 May 2015 #158

No. That's an absurd suggestion. Cali_Democrat May 2015 #183

Shhhh. They never thought Obama bashing could come back to bite someone they liked. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #186

So instead he should have ignored where he came from? jeff47 May 2015 #190

Where did I say Bernie has a problem with black voters? Cali_Democrat May 2015 #201

Well, Bernie has some unions backing him for the nomination. I'm sure they can fix the optics going Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #187

:eyes: jeff47 May 2015 #191

Pointing out the lack of diversity at the big announcement is "race bating"? Boy, it's gonna be a.. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #206

No, claiming there must be higher diversity than the local population is. jeff47 May 2015 #211

"Diversity" brings y'all down. I've got your number now. No need for further comment. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #213

Vermont is pretty white. The real diversity tests will com when he campaigns eridani May 2015 #185

Your concern is noted. truebluegreen May 2015 #13

So, you have nothing to add? I think its a fair question. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #14

You realize Clinton is only six years younger, right? Scootaloo May 2015 #15

She's no spring chicken either...but lets be serious. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #18

Uh, yes it is 'ageist' when you simply base your concern on 'age'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #29

Mentally, I'd probably wager that by 2020, Christie would be sharper. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #56

Not a Sanders supporter but... BlueStater May 2015 #66

And talking about the age of someone you want to elect to the highest position in the country.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #19

It is when you use it to concern troll. Scootaloo May 2015 #21

Asking a question is concern trolling? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #25

I'm sorry Joe, you're just not as clever as you think you are. Scootaloo May 2015 #28

You can keep looking for boogymen in the shadows, Scootaloo... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #31

No, it's really not valid Scootaloo May 2015 #38

I admit, the question is hypothetical, and focused more on democratic continuity... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #45

And then there is RBG. pangaia May 2015 #77

RBG will outlive a lot of people eloydude May 2015 #120

Exactly... pangaia May 2015 #150

Excellent rebuttal Scootaloo. Stay after it. nt ladjf May 2015 #151

"If you don't want to discuss things, don't join a discussion board. " rhett o rick May 2015 #124

There is no lack of issue threads on the front page.nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #132

Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: You dare to alert on Scooty? L0oniX May 2015 #30

Say what now? Scootaloo May 2015 #32

You were alerted on. Alert failed. L0oniX May 2015 #35

And someone said that? Yeek! Scootaloo May 2015 #39

Apparently enough people like you very much and won't hide your post. L0oniX May 2015 #41

For the record, I didn't alert on anyone Joe the Revelator May 2015 #47

It's not concern trolling if it's a legitimate campaign issue Algernon Moncrieff May 2015 #43

it's not an issue for either of them Scootaloo May 2015 #49

I think democratic continuity is a campaign issue as well as i think that.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #52

Is the 80 year-old person able to drive? Then what's the problem? Scootaloo May 2015 #60

I don't know, lets take a look at the 80 year old... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #61

I assure you that candidate age will be an issue in the GE Algernon Moncrieff May 2015 #68

This,this, this Joe the Revelator May 2015 #80

All we have to do show the Republicans eloydude May 2015 #122

Out of line. Agschmid May 2015 #103

It's personal fucking smear! What's your problem? Too tough to address real issues? L0oniX May 2015 #40

Calm down there, high speed....nothing personal about it. nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #50

Yea ...age, looks, hair are all personal. L0oniX May 2015 #55

Age actually matters. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #57

Is he handsome? Is Hillary beautiful? We can't be having ugly people for POTUS. L0oniX May 2015 #75

who in this thread is making that argument? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #76

Personal is ...personal ...and it's supposed to be off limits. L0oniX May 2015 #79

If you want to pretend that science doesn't exist.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #85

Google "Hillary heart problem" if you really care about age related issues. L0oniX May 2015 #89

You seriously have no idea how much I dislike Hillary...however...Edward Klein as your source? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #91

Unfortunately the decision is not solely made on character, and you know it. Agschmid May 2015 #104

You did stand up for McCain when he ran at age 69 against the ageism, didn't you??? madinmaryland May 2015 #90

Of course, DU as a whole did.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #97

I think these questions apply to her as well Renew Deal May 2015 #114

It is a legit concern hifiguy May 2015 #16

Solid answer Joe the Revelator May 2015 #20

!... KoKo May 2015 #62

Running mate is very important. Renew Deal May 2015 #115

Thus why Julian Castro is a bad pick for a running mate. BlueStater May 2015 #121

I agree completely. Renew Deal May 2015 #123

Age doesn't matter if they appear physically and mentally well and Sanders doesn't have a problem JI7 May 2015 #23

Nice personal attack. L0oniX May 2015 #33

You called McCain an old white geezer snooper2 May 2015 #168

I thought aspirant May 2015 #34

I never said i was in disarray, pulling my hair out or losing anywhere near millions.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #37

This message was self-deleted by its author eloydude May 2015 #125

If I recall, Reagan said he'd step aside if he started to become senile Algernon Moncrieff May 2015 #42

I knew an 85 year old that was still splitting wood... Kalidurga May 2015 #48

I'm okay with that. LWolf May 2015 #51

Another solid answer, thank you. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #58

You're welcome. LWolf May 2015 #59

Yes, as long as he's not confused, erratic, or doddering deutsey May 2015 #108

When you vote, you are also voting for his successor nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63

He tapped Truman, ditching Henry Wallace, at the demand of the southern wing Jackpine Radical May 2015 #133

That is very true nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #136

The party back room dwellers screwed Wallace at the eleventh hour. PeteSelman May 2015 #146

What if Hillary has a stroke? Seriously, dude - TBF May 2015 #67

This is part of the script nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #69

Agree. nt TBF May 2015 #70

They're "Just Asking Questions" because there is "word" that "people are concerned" about. arcane1 May 2015 #72

Exactly. nt TBF May 2015 #84

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #82

I don't know the details but remembered hearing about the fainting TBF May 2015 #86

Also, very fair criticism of Hillary, IMO. nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #87

The New York Compost is a right-wing rag and not credible. n/t BlueStater May 2015 #92

Hey wait a minute... I thought personal was personal? Agschmid May 2015 #106

Medical issues, while personal, are related to fitness to serve. Different from hair, age, or feet. NYC_SKP May 2015 #139

Five Reasons The Media Shouldn't Trust Discredited Journalist Ed Klein Renew Deal May 2015 #116

I hope we are lucky enough to find that out after his first term. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #73

Well, Bernie has an active, viable, inquisitive brain. pangaia May 2015 #74

Nice way of framing the question to avoid saying too old. guillaumeb May 2015 #81

I would rather have a president die in office while actually working for us yurbud May 2015 #83

Im not even that afraid of him dying in office, 84 isn't SO old.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #88

He's not 84 - he's 73. Next year 74. 74+8=82. TBF May 2015 #95

Do you guys even know your own candidate? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #98

Again, where is 84 coming from? nt TBF May 2015 #100

2024 he will be over a quarter of the way into his 84th trip around the sun Joe the Revelator May 2015 #101

Lame. He'd be nearly out of office. nt TBF May 2015 #109

You're arguing semantics. 80+ for the sake of this conversation, is still 80+ Joe the Revelator May 2015 #112

I'm arguing that you're exaggerating in order TBF May 2015 #149

likewise, Bernie firing on half is cylinders would be better than a DLCer firing on all yurbud May 2015 #163

likewise, Bernie firing on half his cylinders would be better than a DLCer firing on all yurbud May 2015 #164

Agesim....so sad. fredamae May 2015 #93

Are we OK with Hillary's Blood Clot Brain Injury? Joe Turner May 2015 #94

No! We shouldn't be. At all. She needs to release ALL medical records. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #99

Fuck McNuttier go ANN KIRKPATRICK! lonestarnot May 2015 #96

I will support President Sanders AS LONG AS HE WANTS. I am OK with him 84 or 94. Vincardog May 2015 #102

if by some minor miracle he wins the Dem nomination, the RW media will pound him on this issue. DCBob May 2015 #105

They already are, as evidenced by this thread. nt TBF May 2015 #110

I think RW media would love for Bernie to be competitive. DCBob May 2015 #111

No they don't. They like Clinton on the issues waaaay more than Sen Sanders. Clinton agrees with rhett o rick May 2015 #126

You are confused.. DCBob May 2015 #145

Clinton gives them a horse race. jeff47 May 2015 #160

Nice analysis but I don't agree Hillary is a riskier candidate. DCBob May 2015 #184

Then she would have won 2008. jeff47 May 2015 #196

I was referring to the general election. DCBob May 2015 #202

Gotta win the primary first. jeff47 May 2015 #210

I'm RW media?? Man, I seriously had nothing against Sander's supporters, but.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #113

Don't forget to cash you check from Fox, bro. Agschmid May 2015 #118

The other candidate passed out at age 65 then hit her head and suffered a concussion and subsequent CentralMass May 2015 #128

I would wholeheartedly agree with that. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #131

Not monsters - media TBF May 2015 #148

The OP is *NOT* the right wing media... Agschmid May 2015 #117

actually DonCoquixote May 2015 #130

Maybe he should just be 54. Like the shrub was. Age makes so much difference. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #137

Trying to compair Sen Sanders with DipShit McCain is an insult. But I assume rhett o rick May 2015 #140

You lost me at 2014. B Calm May 2015 #147

"Too old" is as diaphanous and illusory as "too emotional." LanternWaste May 2015 #156

Well said! n/t markpkessinger May 2015 #197

Anyone youthful enough to make it through an American Presidential election cycle... NCTraveler May 2015 #176

Here is the takeaway from Sanders and Clintons age. NCTraveler May 2015 #180

As opposed to 67 year old HRC? Seriously that all you got? Rex May 2015 #192

I look at it like this: it doesn't matter how young or old a candidate is . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #194

If Democrats make age an issue in the primary . . . markpkessinger May 2015 #199

A few desperate people are grasping at straws here. BOTH are past retirement age. Rex May 2015 #200

Maybe the nominee won't be either Hillary or Bernie. Koinos May 2015 #207

What of Hillary, who is all of six years younger than Bernie? merrily May 2015 #203